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Post by jaggas on Aug 5, 2018 18:09:08 GMT
So ignore the functioning democracy that gave the people a vote and the people voted leave? Let's use the EU rule and keep voting until the europhiles get the result they want.. For about the fifth time now can any of you pro EU lot who hate this country and are hoping it fails outside the EU make an argument for how the CAP or the CFP benefits the UK? Oh just f**k off you horrible racist lady garden. So you can't make an argument for how the CAP or the CFP benefits the UK.....What a complete and utter bell end lost the argument and played the predictable worn out race card. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 18:17:35 GMT
Oh just f**k off you horrible racist lady garden. So you can't make an argument for how the CAP or the CFP benefits the UK.....What a complete and utter bell end lost the argument and played the predictable worn out race card. 🐎🐎🐎 |
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Aug 5, 2018 19:52:10 GMT
Never mind about looking inward at ourselves the whole time, Europe( EU) is in a big financial, diplomatic and security mess. The reason a deal has not been struck is that the EU politicians are absolutely useless. They haven't got a clue what to do. It's not us. I don't think you will be able to justify calling Germany and France as in a financial mess. In terms of diplomacy they have just struck a major deal with Japan. It also seems they have poured water on the flames of the fire instigated by Trump with his protectionism. In the meantime we shrink into irrelevance. If you read the foreign press you will have your eyes opened to the current mess. And France is financially in a very bad place which they admit to. The British press is woefully inadequate in describing what the real state of play is. I Don't even need to mention Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece. If the EU can strike a deal with Japan, so can we. Diplomatically not trump nor putin nor Xi have any substantial love or trust in the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 20:44:04 GMT
I don't think you will be able to justify calling Germany and France as in a financial mess. In terms of diplomacy they have just struck a major deal with Japan. It also seems they have poured water on the flames of the fire instigated by Trump with his protectionism. In the meantime we shrink into irrelevance. If you read the foreign press you will have your eyes opened to the current mess. And France is financially in a very bad place which they admit to. The British press is woefully inadequate in describing what the real state of play is. I Don't even need to mention Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece. If the EU can strike a deal with Japan, so can we. Diplomatically not trump nor putin nor Xi have any substantial love or trust in the EU. As it stands we are beneficiaries of the deal with Japan. When we leave that will not be the case and we revert to WTO rules. How long do you think it will take to negotiate a similar deal for the UK with Japan? It took the EU 6 years. And to be honest, I am not interested in your pointers to press by itself. I want you to quote facts, peer reviewed, maybe indeed through the press, that supports your rather wild assertions. Just once |
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Post by jaggas on Aug 5, 2018 21:50:14 GMT
To benefit from that Japan deal we will have to continue to pay the EU £12bn plus per year, abide by a bunch of rules and regs that do not benefit us and makes life difficult for small businesses and we still have to subsidise two dozen scrounging nations.
The reason it took 6 years for the EU to get a deal with Japan is because the EU are so difficult to deal with as it only takes one countries farmers or breadmakers to kick up a fuss and it all gets delayed for months/years.We are finding out now how difficult and obstinate the EU are to deal with hence why the majority voted to leave in the first place.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 6, 2018 3:10:55 GMT
Oh just f**k off you horrible racist lady garden. So you can't make an argument for how the CAP or the CFP benefits the UK.....What a complete and utter bell end lost the argument and played the predictable worn out race card. Hahahaha Awesome!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 7:16:03 GMT
If you read the foreign press you will have your eyes opened to the current mess. And France is financially in a very bad place which they admit to. The British press is woefully inadequate in describing what the real state of play is. I Don't even need to mention Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece. If the EU can strike a deal with Japan, so can we. Diplomatically not trump nor putin nor Xi have any substantial love or trust in the EU. As it stands we are beneficiaries of the deal with Japan. When we leave that will not be the case and we revert to WTO rules. How long do you think it will take to negotiate a similar deal for the UK with Japan? It took the EU 6 years. And to be honest, I am not interested in your pointers to press by itself. I want you to quote facts, peer reviewed, maybe indeed through the press, that supports your rather wild assertions. Just once It should be pretty easy to create a deal with Japan. At the moment, the UK standards are the same as the EU standards. The vast majority of the negotiations have already taken place. It would only take a month or two to get the same deal with Japan. It really would be quite simple to use the existing EU deal, and modify it to suit the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 8:25:39 GMT
As it stands we are beneficiaries of the deal with Japan. When we leave that will not be the case and we revert to WTO rules. How long do you think it will take to negotiate a similar deal for the UK with Japan? It took the EU 6 years. And to be honest, I am not interested in your pointers to press by itself. I want you to quote facts, peer reviewed, maybe indeed through the press, that supports your rather wild assertions. Just once It should be pretty easy to create a deal with Japan. At the moment, the UK standards are the same as the EU standards. The vast majority of the negotiations have already taken place. It would only take a month or two to get the same deal with Japan. It really would be quite simple to use the existing EU deal, and modify it to suit the UK. South Korea? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 8:51:36 GMT
It should be pretty easy to create a deal with Japan. At the moment, the UK standards are the same as the EU standards. The vast majority of the negotiations have already taken place. It would only take a month or two to get the same deal with Japan. It really would be quite simple to use the existing EU deal, and modify it to suit the UK. South Korea? What about South Korea? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:15:24 GMT
There is beneficial trade agreement in place with them, which we will not benefit from when we leave. How long to negotiate that? Whilst we are on the topic, add Canada into the mix. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:24:37 GMT
There is beneficial trade agreement in place with them, which we will not benefit from when we leave. How long to negotiate that? Whilst we are on the topic, add Canada into the mix. South Korea...same as Japan. All of the UK's standards match the EU standards, as they are one and the same. Put the current trade deal into Microsoft Word, replace the EU with the UK, and I reckon you'll already be about 95% of the way to completing the deal. A couple of months, at most, to tidy it up to suit, and Bob's your Uncle, job's jobbed ! It really doesn't have to be that difficult, and there is no need to completely re-negotiate a deal. The vast majority of the work has already been done! Same with Canada, same with any of the EU trade deals ! Once a trade deal is signed, it is not the end of it. There are always ongoing negotiations afterwards, which are needed to modify existing stuff, for clarification or when new things are introduced. Thee is no need for a six-year negotiation with Japan, as the EU trade deal also currently includes the UK ! Why try re-invent the wheel? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:33:14 GMT
There is beneficial trade agreement in place with them, which we will not benefit from when we leave. How long to negotiate that? Whilst we are on the topic, add Canada into the mix. South Korea...same as Japan. All of the UK's standards match the EU standards, as they are one and the same. Put the current trade deal into Microsoft Word, replace the EU with the UK, and I reckon you'll already be about 95% of the way to completing the deal. A couple of months, at most, to tidy it up to suit, and Bob's your Uncle, job's jobbed ! It really doesn't have to be that difficult, and there is no need to completely re-negotiate a deal. The vast majority of the work has already been done! Same with Canada, same with any of the EU trade deals ! Once a trade deal is signed, it is not the end of it. There are always ongoing negotiations afterwards, which are needed to modify existing stuff, for clarification or when new things are introduced. Thee is no need for a six-year negotiation with Japan, as the EU trade deal also currently includes the UK ! Why try re-invent the wheel? There are a further 20 countries that we would have to do that with. The chances of doing all that, if it's as easy as you say, would indicate the deals are already typed up, just waiting for signatures. No evidence that Mr Fox had actually secured this progress, even though he has had two years to do so. In the meantime, Check out @russincheshire’s Tweet: |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:38:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:40:34 GMT
South Korea...same as Japan. All of the UK's standards match the EU standards, as they are one and the same. Put the current trade deal into Microsoft Word, replace the EU with the UK, and I reckon you'll already be about 95% of the way to completing the deal. A couple of months, at most, to tidy it up to suit, and Bob's your Uncle, job's jobbed ! It really doesn't have to be that difficult, and there is no need to completely re-negotiate a deal. The vast majority of the work has already been done! Same with Canada, same with any of the EU trade deals ! Once a trade deal is signed, it is not the end of it. There are always ongoing negotiations afterwards, which are needed to modify existing stuff, for clarification or when new things are introduced. Thee is no need for a six-year negotiation with Japan, as the EU trade deal also currently includes the UK ! Why try re-invent the wheel? There are a further 20 countries that we would have to do that with. The chances of doing all that, if it's as easy as you say, would indicate the deals are already typed up, just waiting for signatures. No evidence that Mr Fox had actually secured this progress, even though he has had two years to do so. In the meantime, Check out @russincheshire’s Tweet: C'mon Oldie, please. Even you are aware that a contract to build something is not a trade deal. Why peddle fake news? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:55:36 GMT
There are a further 20 countries that we would have to do that with. The chances of doing all that, if it's as easy as you say, would indicate the deals are already typed up, just waiting for signatures. No evidence that Mr Fox had actually secured this progress, even though he has had two years to do so. In the meantime, Check out @russincheshire’s Tweet: C'mon Oldie, please. Even you are aware that a contract to build something is not a trade deal. Why peddle fake news? The point being, where we have quality product or service, there is nothing that prevents us exporting as much as we want whilst we are members of the EU. The lie being peddled is that we are somehow missing out. It's just not true. We are limited only by our own abilities and product. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 11:05:09 GMT
C'mon Oldie, please. Even you are aware that a contract to build something is not a trade deal. Why peddle fake news? The point being, where we have quality product or service, there is nothing that prevents us exporting as much as we want whilst we are members of the EU. The lie being peddled is that we are somehow missing out. It's just not true. We are limited only by our own abilities and product. So you are just ignoring the Tariff's that the EU place on goods coming into the EU, which we could reduce to zero when we leave? Don't forget, the EU is one of the most protectionist areas of trade in the world. The whole trade deal thing is being over-exploited and over-thought. Anyway, using your argument, then surely it doesn't matter if we are in the EU or not? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 11:13:36 GMT
The point being, where we have quality product or service, there is nothing that prevents us exporting as much as we want whilst we are members of the EU. The lie being peddled is that we are somehow missing out. It's just not true. We are limited only by our own abilities and product. So you are just ignoring the Tariff's that the EU place on goods coming into the EU, which we could reduce to zero when we leave? Don't forget, the EU is one of the most protectionist areas of trade in the world. The whole trade deal thing is being over-exploited and over-thought. Anyway, using your argument, then surely it doesn't matter if we are in the EU or not? To the best of my knowledge the EU is a fully paid up member of the WTO. As such Tarriffs are governed by those rules. The very same rules that I thought you said would be just fine with??. To finish, the benefit is being able to trade with the largest economic block, see my post with the analysis, free of the Tarriffs governed by the WTO. What's not to like? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 20:45:36 GMT
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Brexit: The WTO Delusion
By ANDREW STUTTAFORD
August 6, 2018 3:56 PM
Britain’s Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, There are unmistakable signs that the U.K. may be heading for a “no deal” exit from the EU. Over the weekend, Britain’s international-trade secretary said that he rated the chances of such a departure at 60-40. A few days before, the governor of the Bank of England (officially neutral, but clearly a Remainer) commented that odds of no deal were “uncomfortably high.” Predictably enough, Prime Minister May’s recent meeting with France’s President Macron did nothing to break the deadlock.
The pretty way to label a no-deal Brexit is to describe it as “opting” (by default) for the “WTO option.” This assumes that the U.K. can simply drop out of the EU without any deal, and then trade with its former partners on the same basis (allegedly) as just about anybody else. In fact, as I mentioned in post last week, the reality is considerably more complicated and considerably more unpleasant.
It’s worth noting what someone named Roberto Azevedo had to say about the WTO option late last year. It would not, he said, be “the end of the world” (something he defined as “a situation where all trade stops, and there is a collapse in terms of the economy as a whole”), for which, I suppose, we must give thanks, but (my emphasis added):
It’s not going to be a walk in the park. It’s not like nothing happened, there will be an impact. It will be a very bumpy road, and maybe long as well.
Now, the question is how bumpy and how long — and that depends a lot on the terms of the agreement that will be reached between the UK and the EU, I have no way of knowing at this point in time.
To the extent that the value chain, for example, the production chains, they’re disrupted, or the conditions of supplying services, they are disrupted — the tendency is that prices will go up, of course. You have to absorb the cost of that disruption, and that in itself will mean it will be costlier to do business, potentially costlier to live, but it’s how much — and it’s impossible to predict that at this point in time.
From the Director General of the WTO, Roberto Azevedo
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Aug 6, 2018 21:45:04 GMT
If you read the foreign press you will have your eyes opened to the current mess. And France is financially in a very bad place which they admit to. The British press is woefully inadequate in describing what the real state of play is. I Don't even need to mention Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece. If the EU can strike a deal with Japan, so can we. Diplomatically not trump nor putin nor Xi have any substantial love or trust in the EU. As it stands we are beneficiaries of the deal with Japan. When we leave that will not be the case and we revert to WTO rules. How long do you think it will take to negotiate a similar deal for the UK with Japan? It took the EU 6 years. And to be honest, I am not interested in your pointers to press by itself. I want you to quote facts, peer reviewed, maybe indeed through the press, that supports your rather wild assertions. Just once Facts ? Oh yeah, what would you like me to make up ? Has Barnier produced facts ? Has Carney ever produced a risks vs benefits load of facts ? What I can quote is Le Figaro editorial , the headline was 'We (The eu) must avoid a hard Brexit'. In the half page editorial was a paragraph which read ' who would have thought two years ago that we would be in such a mess? We have major diplomatic, economic and security issues. The next day there was a comparison chart of EU countries and how long it takes to pay your years taxes. We have paid ours by May. France is the last (end july), so what are they going to do next ? Maybe now you would like to counter with some wonderful commentary too. Just once. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 22:24:41 GMT
As it stands we are beneficiaries of the deal with Japan. When we leave that will not be the case and we revert to WTO rules. How long do you think it will take to negotiate a similar deal for the UK with Japan? It took the EU 6 years. And to be honest, I am not interested in your pointers to press by itself. I want you to quote facts, peer reviewed, maybe indeed through the press, that supports your rather wild assertions. Just once Facts ? Oh yeah, what would you like me to make up ? Has Barnier produced facts ? Has Carney ever produced a risks vs benefits load of facts ? What I can quote is Le Figaro editorial , the headline was 'We (The eu) must avoid a hard Brexit'. In the half page editorial was a paragraph which read ' who would have thought two years ago that we would be in such a mess? We have major diplomatic, economic and security issues. The next day there was a comparison chart of EU countries and how long it takes to pay your years taxes. We have paid ours by May. France is the last (end july), so what are they going to do next ? Maybe now you would like to counter with some wonderful commentary too. Just once. I refer the learned gentleman to the comments by the Director General of the WTO, highlighted in my post before your reply. So what are your thoughts on the impact of WTO Tarriffs, if indeed you have any? Thoughts that is. |
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