Brexit - The Final Reckoning

The payments to farmers under CAP are ringfenced so that British farmers will definitely benefit from subsidies. After Brexit and 2020 there will be no guarantees and they will be at risk of any future government spending plans. The NFU are very concerned over this and fear losing out to the service and finance sector. Subsidies also allow farmers to plan, finance investment in machinery and look after the environment by allowing land to recover.

British fishermen, especially English fishermen, rely on access to Irish and Spanish fishing areas. Quotas are based on 1973 agreements (weighted in our favour) and they export much of their catch to EU markets. All of which will now have to renegotiated.

Next question?

Actually no, don't bother. You may have noticed that I hadn't responded to any of your previous posts for the best part of two years. That was deliberate as I am not sure any exchanges of posts would make any difference.

After reading your posts over tbe last couple of years (few of which are Rovers related) you remind me of an old friend I once knew. He was blinded by his dislike of anything he failed to understand, Your views on certain issues are deliberately provocative and are therefore not worthy of discussion as I doubt we could hold a rational debate.

I have the impression that you do not entertain any thoughts or acknowledge those of others, unless they are those of people who think like you. Maybe a little understanding of a different point of view and a bit of humility would go a long way.

You have no idea how much the CAP costs British taxpayers.When you mention Britain doing well out of fishing why were so many fishing towns around the country decimated by the CFP? Dutch trawlers registered in the UK are gobbling up the lions share of UK waters fish.

Oldie you couldn't make an argument on the CAP but I am sure you are old enough to remember beef mountains milk lakes and butter mountains.The price of food was artificially raised by the EU and quotas introduced to protect French farmers who rioted.The CAP has never benefited the UK, its farmers or UK taxpayers,subsides were introduced to stop them farming as the product we produced was of a higher quality and a lower price than Europes farmers.....It is called a false economy and that's what the EU created and wants to maintain.

I hope you are right about coming out better, although that may take some time before get there.

With regards WTO, I would recommend you look it up as the rules as I understand them may well cause some pain, at least in the short to medium term.

Not sure if Oldie can clarify, but my reading is that in the event of a no deal, we transfer to WTO rules. These rules stipulate trading terms including tariffs. So our imports and exports will have an automatic increase of, say, 3-7%.

That tariff will also have the knock on effect of increasing paperwork and transportation delays for the importer/exporter, adding further costs.

These tariffs will not just apply to our trade with the EU, we can't be selective and WTO rules mean we have to apply them to all countries we do not have a trade agreement with.

For the EU, they have several trade deals in place as previously mentioned, we on the other hand have none yet. Which means we will risk rushing deals.

Also remember, our Trade Secretary said a deal with the EU will be the easiest in history. He is now saying we are 60/40 likely to get no deal (save for the fact that I think this is partly political manoeuvring, but still likely).

It is important we all understand the pros and cons.

You didn't explain how the CAP benefits the UK or it's taxpayers you posted some bullshit you found off a pro EU website.The most pro EU people in the country couldnt't make a case and agree that the CAP isn't a disaster even the most pro EU knob Nick Clegg said the CAP needed reform.Are you aware that the subsidies UK farmers receive are paid for out the EU budget where we as a country get back 35p for every pound we put in so therefore subsidise the EU and pay our farmers subsidies after being robbed by the EU? You completely ignored the fact that Dutch trawlers register their boats in the UK then plunder our seas it's not UK boats.

You asked how they benefit the UK and I answered that. If you had asked were they good for the UK then I would have answered differently. Both have their pros and cons, you asked for the pros and I gave them. I could have given you the cons too had you asked that, but you didn't.

As I said before, you don't know me because if you did you would know that I don't rely on biased, single sources and unless you were watching over my shoulder you have no reason to assume I was using pro EU websites, which I wasn't.

Anyway, I've tried to engage with you and we are not going to agree so probably best we leave it.

Without using Google or nuffin, what is Stormfront?

Not sure where the right place to post this, but didn't really want to give it its own thread, but we are on holiday in Bulgaria and went in to old town last night.

On sale in one shop they had mugs with Putin, Obama and Hitler on them.

I was really shocked.

A bit further into town and there were a few shops selling what looked like WW2 stuff where you could get an SS hip flask, swastika spoons, little compact mirrors with swastikas on, cigarette cases, bowls, badges and even a nazi hole punch!

I've never seen anything like it.

It was weird to pick up and handle that stuff.

Do you suppose it was all genuine? It looked it. Seemed an odd thing to manufacture nowadays for the tourist market.

Ah, cheers for that.

I'm not sure if I'm glad it wasn't real or sad that people would want to buy that stuff!