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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 10:02:51 GMT
Check out @16millionrising’s Tweet:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 10:14:03 GMT
No, that is just common sense. We all know not everything will 'be rosy', and only a fool would think so. There will be some people/jobs/companies that may lose out, in the same way there may be some people/jobs/companies that benefit.
Brexit will not be all sunshine and rivers of chocolate, nor will it be the next Armageddon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 10:28:41 GMT
Meanwhile, The Charlatans are bickering amongst themselves. UK Conservative eurosceptics fail to agree Brexit plan B: FT flip.it/u2-aE5 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 10:40:30 GMT
Meanwhile, The Charlatans are bickering amongst themselves. UK Conservative eurosceptics fail to agree Brexit plan B: FT flip.it/u2-aE5Bit of a non-story. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 10:48:50 GMT
Anyone would think it was just Tory voters who wanted to leave the EU reading Oldies childish little left wing rants.
This is 2018 oldie not 1918.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:08:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:11:03 GMT
Anyone would think it was just Tory voters who wanted to leave the EU reading Oldies childish little left wing rants. This is 2018 oldie not 1918. I don't think that. I think delusion and a complete lack of attention to detail is equal across all political allegiances. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:12:05 GMT
Anyone would think it was just Tory voters who wanted to leave the EU reading Oldies childish little left wing rants. This is 2018 oldie not 1918. You are correct Quantocks, and that is the problem. The politicians have somehow managed to turn Brexit into a Party argument, Tories for Brexit, Labour against, when the vote was a national vote that was not taken on Party lines. Labour will do anything to scupper the Brexit negotiations, not because it is in the best interest of the UK, but only for their own political gain. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:24:56 GMT
Anyone would think it was just Tory voters who wanted to leave the EU reading Oldies childish little left wing rants. This is 2018 oldie not 1918. You are correct Quantocks, and that is the problem. The politicians have somehow managed to turn Brexit into a Party argument, Tories for Brexit, Labour against, when the vote was a national vote that was not taken on Party lines. Labour will do anything to scupper the Brexit negotiations, not because it is in the best interest of the UK, but only for their own political gain. Parliament, specifically MPs, are letting the country down badly. Internal party politics skewing the current governments policy and strategy on leaving the EU, the opposition with no apparent policy nor strategy, other parties in cloud cuckoo land. As it happens it is the minority hard line Brexiteers who are the leading protagonists in this chaos. In the meantime this government has cut police funding by nearly 20% since 2010, with an equivalent cut in the number of police staff. Hardly surprising that folks are frustrated. I tell you what let's bring back our sovereignty, that will make it all better. Right??🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:33:32 GMT
Anyone would think it was just Tory voters who wanted to leave the EU reading Oldies childish little left wing rants. This is 2018 oldie not 1918. You are correct Quantocks, and that is the problem. The politicians have somehow managed to turn Brexit into a Party argument, Tories for Brexit, Labour against, when the vote was a national vote that was not taken on Party lines. Labour will do anything to scupper the Brexit negotiations, not because it is in the best interest of the UK, but only for their own political gain. Totally agree Nobby, this whole Brexit has been a pantomime from the beginning with Labour being allowed to scaremongering without reply, which I find unbelievable. How any decent British person can support a political party or any politician after this stab in the back referendum is beyond me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:38:51 GMT
You are correct Quantocks, and that is the problem. The politicians have somehow managed to turn Brexit into a Party argument, Tories for Brexit, Labour against, when the vote was a national vote that was not taken on Party lines. Labour will do anything to scupper the Brexit negotiations, not because it is in the best interest of the UK, but only for their own political gain. Totally agree Nobby, this whole Brexit has been a pantomime from the beginning with Labour being allowed to scaremongering without reply, which I find unbelievable. How any decent British person can support a political party or any politician after this stab in the back referendum is beyond me. Oh, you feel the referendum was wrong? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:42:40 GMT
You are correct Quantocks, and that is the problem. The politicians have somehow managed to turn Brexit into a Party argument, Tories for Brexit, Labour against, when the vote was a national vote that was not taken on Party lines. Labour will do anything to scupper the Brexit negotiations, not because it is in the best interest of the UK, but only for their own political gain. Parliament, specifically MPs, are letting the country down badly. Internal party politics skewing the current governments policy and strategy on leaving the EU, the opposition with no apparent policy nor strategy, other parties in cloud cuckoo land. As it happens it is the minority hard line Brexiteers who are the leading protagonists in this chaos. In the meantime this government has cut police funding by nearly 20% since 2010, with an equivalent cut in the number of police staff. Hardly surprising that folks are frustrated. I tell you what let's bring back our sovereignty, that will make it all better. Right??🤣 As usual, you harp on about something that is in reality very complex. Funding has been cut across all Government spending. This had to be done as the country just could not afford to maintain the high levels of spending. The police, just like the NHS, have to closely look at where and how they spend the money. Should Police forces paint various police cars and helicopters with the Rainbow Flag to show their support during various 'Pride' events? Should the Police spend time searching on Facebook for alleged Hate Crimes? Should a Police Officer spend time on a football forum? Just a couple of tiny things, but I bet there are many many more. The following numbers are from 2017, so not too old. Avon & Somerset Police:- Police Officers 2740
Support Staff 2264
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:43:44 GMT
You are correct Quantocks, and that is the problem. The politicians have somehow managed to turn Brexit into a Party argument, Tories for Brexit, Labour against, when the vote was a national vote that was not taken on Party lines. Labour will do anything to scupper the Brexit negotiations, not because it is in the best interest of the UK, but only for their own political gain. Parliament, specifically MPs, are letting the country down badly. Internal party politics skewing the current governments policy and strategy on leaving the EU, the opposition with no apparent policy nor strategy, other parties in cloud cuckoo land. As it happens it is the minority hard line Brexiteers who are the leading protagonists in this chaos. In the meantime this government has cut police funding by nearly 20% since 2010, with an equivalent cut in the number of police staff. Hardly surprising that folks are frustrated. I tell you what let's bring back our sovereignty, that will make it all better. Right??🤣 I’m all for bringing back sovereignty if only for the masses to be tried for treason. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:46:29 GMT
Totally agree Nobby, this whole Brexit has been a pantomime from the beginning with Labour being allowed to scaremongering without reply, which I find unbelievable. How any decent British person can support a political party or any politician after this stab in the back referendum is beyond me. Oh, you feel the referendum was wrong? The referendum wasn’t wrong, the way it has been hindered by people who didn’t get the result they wanted is what’s wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:52:47 GMT
One of the key topics of debate within Brexit was, is, immigration. Silly Tory targets made them look silly, the markets cried out for more because of skill shortages. Today the MAC advisors to the government advised the government changes track and allows graduates to stay. In the greater scheme of things small in number (but conversely high in value added) but this does play to the argument that immigration adds value. The Markets have been saying this, Public Services have been saying this. But people voted following the dog whistle of the Charlatans. www.gov.uk/government/publications/migration-advisory-committee-mac-report-international-students |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:55:35 GMT
Oh, you feel the referendum was wrong? The referendum wasn’t wrong, the way it has been hindered by people who didn’t get the result they wanted is what’s wrong. If pointing out the contradictions, the lies, the reality is hindering, then god help us. I thought it was debate within a democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:57:28 GMT
Parliament, specifically MPs, are letting the country down badly. Internal party politics skewing the current governments policy and strategy on leaving the EU, the opposition with no apparent policy nor strategy, other parties in cloud cuckoo land. As it happens it is the minority hard line Brexiteers who are the leading protagonists in this chaos. In the meantime this government has cut police funding by nearly 20% since 2010, with an equivalent cut in the number of police staff. Hardly surprising that folks are frustrated. I tell you what let's bring back our sovereignty, that will make it all better. Right??🤣 As usual, you harp on about something that is in reality very complex. Funding has been cut across all Government spending. This had to be done as the country just could not afford to maintain the high levels of spending. The police, just like the NHS, have to closely look at where and how they spend the money. Should Police forces paint various police cars and helicopters with the Rainbow Flag to show their support during various 'Pride' events? Should the Police spend time searching on Facebook for alleged Hate Crimes? Should a Police Officer spend time on a football forum? Just a couple of tiny things, but I bet there are many many more. The following numbers are from 2017, so not too old. Avon & Somerset Police:- Police Officers 2740
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 12:01:10 GMT
One of the key topics of debate within Brexit was, is, immigration. Silly Tory targets made them look silly, the markets cried out for more because of skill shortages. Today the MAC advisors to the government advised the government changes track and allows graduates to stay. In the greater scheme of things small in number (but conversely high in value added) but this does play to the argument that immigration adds value. The Markets have been saying this, Public Services have been saying this. But people voted following the dog whistle of the Charlatans. www.gov.uk/government/publications/migration-advisory-committee-mac-report-international-studentsNothing wrong with Immigration. This has been said by all sides throughout. You mention skills are needed, and nobody has a problem with skilled workers coming to the UK to work. However, it's the unskilled migrants that are the problem. For example, official German records show that 1.8 million migrants have registered in Germany since 2015. The official figures also show that 95% of them are on benefits and will remain so for the test of their lives. The bill so far is over 25 billion. Here in Germany the call is the same as you, 'we need these people for workers', when the reality is that the vast majority will never work. Officially, 10,000 more arrive every single month. The benefit of having that 5% working is far far less than the 95% on social benefits. Yes, immigration is a problem as it puts strain on the NHS, Housing, the Police, Education, GP's etc etc, and it is something that nobody in their right minds can deny. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 12:07:33 GMT
As usual, you harp on about something that is in reality very complex. Funding has been cut across all Government spending. This had to be done as the country just could not afford to maintain the high levels of spending. The police, just like the NHS, have to closely look at where and how they spend the money. Should Police forces paint various police cars and helicopters with the Rainbow Flag to show their support during various 'Pride' events? Should the Police spend time searching on Facebook for alleged Hate Crimes? Should a Police Officer spend time on a football forum? Just a couple of tiny things, but I bet there are many many more. The following numbers are from 2017, so not too old. Avon & Somerset Police:- Police Officers 2740
Support Staff 2264
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WHAT were the numbers in 2010? There were around 3300 Police Officers in 2010. However, 300 more are being recruited this year. I don't know the numbers of Support Staff though. The point is, do they need so many Support Staff? More Police recruitment |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 12:15:40 GMT
One of the key topics of debate within Brexit was, is, immigration. Silly Tory targets made them look silly, the markets cried out for more because of skill shortages. Today the MAC advisors to the government advised the government changes track and allows graduates to stay. In the greater scheme of things small in number (but conversely high in value added) but this does play to the argument that immigration adds value. The Markets have been saying this, Public Services have been saying this. But people voted following the dog whistle of the Charlatans. www.gov.uk/government/publications/migration-advisory-committee-mac-report-international-studentsNothing wrong with Immigration. This has been said by all sides throughout. You mention skills are needed, and nobody has a problem with skilled workers coming to the UK to work. However, it's the unskilled migrants that are the problem. For example, official German records show that 1.8 million migrants have registered in Germany since 2015. The official figures also show that 95% of them are on benefits and will remain so for the test of their lives. The bill so far is over 25 billion. Here in Germany the call is the same as you, 'we need these people for workers', when the reality is that the vast majority will never work. Officially, 10,000 more arrive every single month. The benefit of having that 5% working is far far less than the 95% on social benefits. Yes, immigration is a problem as it puts strain on the NHS, Housing, the Police, Education, GP's etc etc, and it is something that nobody in their right minds can deny. I don't know what is happening in Germany specifically. But here in the UK we have record numbers of people in employment, AFTER high, relatively, levels of immigration. Which suggests 96% of immigrants, given the unemployment rate is around 4%, are gainfully employed. Today the NHS has announced 107,000 vacancies. And they are having trouble filling them. |
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