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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 9:23:13 GMT
I love it when everyone agrees, although I'm not entirely sure that everyone agrees about what they are agreeing about, Some things. The funny thing is that I think that when it comes to Capitalism Nobby is not in the same place as me, I believe in a free market, capital and labour. He wants the government to control one part of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 9:47:31 GMT
I love it when everyone agrees, although I'm not entirely sure that everyone agrees about what they are agreeing about, I don't agree with that !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 9:55:37 GMT
I love it when everyone agrees, although I'm not entirely sure that everyone agrees about what they are agreeing about, Some things. The funny thing is that I think that when it comes to Capitalism Nobby is not in the same place as me, I believe in a free market, capital and labour. He wants the government to control one part of that. Yes, the free market denotes what skills are needed regarding Labour. However, governments have a responsibility to the electorate in that they must control who comes into the country. The government are responsible for health, education etc etc. Look at Australia. You have a skill, you can apply for a job there, the company that will employ you help with the paperwork for entry, and then the government rubber-stamp it all, and in you go. The free market decided it wanted your skills, and the government are ultimately responsible for who comes into the country. As I said earlier, free movement of Labour is one thing. Free movement of people is something else. As for free movement of capital, well, that is not even worth discussing is it? That happens all the time and will never stop.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 10:42:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 11:16:19 GMT
Always said, some will lose, and some will win. IF what was tweeted is true, the winner's will be the consumer's who get cheaper Lamb ! Swings and roundabouts. It is also saying that being in the EU has kept the price of lamb higher than it should have been. Oldie - You are the champion of the free market. Isn't this the free market in action?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 11:27:43 GMT
Always said, some will lose, and some will win. IF what was tweeted is true, the winner's will be the consumer's who get cheaper Lamb ! Swings and roundabouts. It is also saying that being in the EU has kept the price of lamb higher than it should have been. Oldie - You are the champion of the free market. Isn't this the free market in action? Absolutely. An unfettered free market (which I don't agree with) But the point remains, people who voted leave, at least inthis instance, were Turkeys voting for Christmas. Thats why we need a vote on the terms of leaving, people have the right to fully understand the implications.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 11:43:03 GMT
Always said, some will lose, and some will win. IF what was tweeted is true, the winner's will be the consumer's who get cheaper Lamb ! Swings and roundabouts. It is also saying that being in the EU has kept the price of lamb higher than it should have been. Oldie - You are the champion of the free market. Isn't this the free market in action? Absolutely. An unfettered free market (which I don't agree with) But the point remains, people who voted leave, at least inthis instance, were Turkeys voting for Christmas. Thats why we need a vote on the terms of leaving, people have the right to fully understand the implications. So, you believe in the free market, but not in an 'unfettered' free market (what ever that means). Yet you believe in 'unfettered' freedom of movement for people, and not regulated movement of people? A second vote? Good God NO ! Should we also have a General Election every six months because people were not fully understand the implications of voting in the winner's? What political parties promise in their Manifesto's and what they actually deliver are two totally separate things ! The vote was taken, there was a winner. Deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 13:08:25 GMT
Business starting to get upset John Lewis at war with minister over Brexit chaos after 99% profits slump flip.it/21BrZA
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 13:11:48 GMT
Business starting to get upset John Lewis at war with minister over Brexit chaos after 99% profits slump flip.it/21BrZASorry....are John Lewis trying to blame their poor performance on Brexit? Christ, I've heard some excuses. I nearly fell off me chair
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 13:13:36 GMT
Nobby said
So, you believe in the free market, but not in an 'unfettered' free market (what ever that means). Yet you believe in 'unfettered' freedom of movement for people, and not regulated movement of people
Absolutely, totally. I find nothing more abhorrent than the concept of a government regulating the movement of people. Surprised you would promote that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 13:14:43 GMT
Business starting to get upset John Lewis at war with minister over Brexit chaos after 99% profits slump flip.it/21BrZASorry....are John Lewis trying to blame their poor performance on Brexit? Christ, I've heard some excuses. I nearly fell off me chair Did you read it it? They were reacting to the statements by our esteemed minister.
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Post by baggins on Sept 13, 2018 16:33:48 GMT
Well, at least the Stock Market is still ok....oh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 18:27:17 GMT
Well, at least the Stock Market is still ok....oh. That did make me chuckle
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 7:09:22 GMT
Next month there are key elections to be held in Bavaria. Bavaria is the financial and industrial powerhouse of Germany. The main Bavarian political party is the CSU (Christian Social Union), which is the 'sister' party to Merkel's CDU (Christian Democratic Union). Both parties go hand-in-hand and usually end up as the major governing party, although at the moment both are in coalition with the SPD ! Confusing eh? Bavaria is a long way from the UK, however, the main topic of this State election is Immigration ! It is the No.1 topic ahead of housing and education ! The ruling CSU are expected to lose a lot of ground to the AfD. Why? The main reason being that since the 2015 migration disaster, the ruling German government still hasn't done anything ! People are fed-up with inaction. The welcoming response that Germans gave to the migrants has all but disappeared as people realise that the migrants are only coming to Germany for money, not work. A recent poll reveals 44 percent of Bavarians believe refugees to be the main challenge faced by their state. Housing and education came in second and third position, with respectively 22 and 19 percent of votes.
Oldie - You can see the same thing happening in Spain, Italy, Greece, Holland, France, Hungary, Austria etc etc. Immigration/Migration is a problem across Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 9:03:10 GMT
The issue in Germany is centered around one act of generosity undertaken by the German government to help resolve the huge migratory problem that faced Europe as a whole. In the UK the issue is entirely different. In fact what happened completely undermines the Brexit extremists who claim we have no control over our borders. We let hardly anyone in, by comparison. You make huge claims about the economic activity of those the Germans let in under that initiative, but provide no reviewable source for those claims. The real comparison between the UK and Germany would be the Turks who moved to Germany in large numbers in previous decades. What is their economic profile?
Merkel took a huge political risk in doing what she did, it may well cost her. But she helped relieve a situation that could easily got out of hand. The problem remains and always will when you have whole populations with no hope. A despair quite often exacerbated by western actions. The Alt Right play on the fears of our own indigenous population who, as I repeat to the point of boredom I am sure, have not been the recipient of the gains of globalisation, the North south split in the UK is a prime example. When people feel marginalised they tend to look to apply blame, immigrants are an easy target, however irrational it's understandable, the shame is on the zealots who would exploit them, the marginalised.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 18, 2018 9:03:20 GMT
Next month there are key elections to be held in Bavaria. Bavaria is the financial and industrial powerhouse of Germany. The main Bavarian political party is the CSU (Christian Social Union), which is the 'sister' party to Merkel's CDU (Christian Democratic Union). Both parties go hand-in-hand and usually end up as the major governing party, although at the moment both are in coalition with the SPD ! Confusing eh? Bavaria is a long way from the UK, however, the main topic of this State election is Immigration ! It is the No.1 topic ahead of housing and education ! The ruling CSU are expected to lose a lot of ground to the AfD. Why? The main reason being that since the 2015 migration disaster, the ruling German government still hasn't done anything ! People are fed-up with inaction. The welcoming response that Germans gave to the migrants has all but disappeared as people realise that the migrants are only coming to Germany for money, not work. A recent poll reveals 44 percent of Bavarians believe refugees to be the main challenge faced by their state. Housing and education came in second and third position, with respectively 22 and 19 percent of votes. Oldie - You can see the same thing happening in Spain, Italy, Greece, Holland, France, Hungary, Austria etc etc. Immigration/Migration is a problem across Europe. I think many would find immigration less of a problem if integration was tackled more robustly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 9:21:21 GMT
Next month there are key elections to be held in Bavaria. Bavaria is the financial and industrial powerhouse of Germany. The main Bavarian political party is the CSU (Christian Social Union), which is the 'sister' party to Merkel's CDU (Christian Democratic Union). Both parties go hand-in-hand and usually end up as the major governing party, although at the moment both are in coalition with the SPD ! Confusing eh? Bavaria is a long way from the UK, however, the main topic of this State election is Immigration ! It is the No.1 topic ahead of housing and education ! The ruling CSU are expected to lose a lot of ground to the AfD. Why? The main reason being that since the 2015 migration disaster, the ruling German government still hasn't done anything ! People are fed-up with inaction. The welcoming response that Germans gave to the migrants has all but disappeared as people realise that the migrants are only coming to Germany for money, not work. A recent poll reveals 44 percent of Bavarians believe refugees to be the main challenge faced by their state. Housing and education came in second and third position, with respectively 22 and 19 percent of votes. Oldie - You can see the same thing happening in Spain, Italy, Greece, Holland, France, Hungary, Austria etc etc. Immigration/Migration is a problem across Europe. I think many would find immigration less of a problem if integration was tackled more robustly. Hugo - Integration here is a huge thing. You won't believe the resources that has been thrown at that......but there are major problems that just cannot be overcome. I have explained before how my Son's Kindergarten was reduced from three classes to two, with three teachers being laid off, because of direct result of funding migrant children. My wife, who is a pro-Merkel, pro-immigration, CDU voter volunteered to help with language classes. She speaks German, English, Greek and some Spanish and French. She was turned down because she was a woman.The vast majority of the migrants were men from a certain religion. They normally refuse to be taught by a woman. This time last year, Merkel summoned various business leaders to Berlin to explain why they had not employed more migrants. At that time, the DAX companies had employed a grand total of about 45 migrants (out of 1.5 million!). The reasons the business leaders gave her were that that the majority had basic skills missing (reading and writing). Most had no command of the German language, and they did not possess the required work ethic ! The vast majority of the 1.5 million were unemployable. The estimated cost so far is around 25 billion for the migrants. In the meantime school buildings are literally falling apart because of the lack of investment in them. The migrants have been offered free everything. As an example, we went to a 'living museum' the other week. It displays a lot of German culture/tradition etc etc. We even had to pay one euro to take the dog in with us, but it was free for migrants ! The Germans really have bent over backwards to help the migrants integrate, but it is just not happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 9:40:31 GMT
But again, this is not immigration generally. This was the result of one act of generosity. And you cannot hang lack of investment on immigrants, Germany has a huge trade surplus and a robust public spending regime. They can afford it if they chose to get there rigid Teutonic heads out of their asses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 10:08:03 GMT
But again, this is not immigration generally. This was the result of one act of generosity. And you cannot hang lack of investment on immigrants, Germany has a huge trade surplus and a robust public spending regime. They can afford it if they chose to get there rigid Teutonic heads out of their asses. No, you don't understand. There is huge publicity over here regarding the state of school buildings. Some of the pictures are quite horrific, but there is no money to repair them. This issue alone has got the German public quite agitated. Even my dear wife, who is pro-immigration, is chomping at the bit over this. Germans are now asking how can they afford to keep paying for migrants, when their own children's education is being hampered or neglected? As I said, the bill so far is estimated to be 25 Billion. That number will only grow as the vast majority of the 1.5 million will always be on benefits, and that 1.5 million is growing at the rate of another 10,000 per month, PLUS existing migrants are now allowed to bring family members into Germany. It is a bill that can only grow and grow. The migrants were meant to be a solution to the rising age of the current population. A workforce to drive industry etc etc. Sadly, it is now quite obvious to the politicians that this claim was false. Germany still has an aging population, but it has added enormously to it's 'costs'....and that 'cost' can only go up and up. Another problem, exploding house costs and rental costs. The government pay 500 euro per month to house each immigrant. What does that do? An example. Across the road from me is a bungalow. An old lady lived there on her own, until she unfortunately passed away. That bungalow has now been 'converted' and it house three migrant families ! That bungalow brings in (to the owner) just over 3,000 euros per month in rent. The cost of buying it probably costs around 1,000 euros per month..........Pretty easy to see where the problems are with that ! Like in the UK, there is now a housing shortage, which invariably leads to higher prices. Supply and demand. Health: Germans have to have Health Insurance. It costs me personally about 600 euros per month. Migrants get it for free. With 1.5 million of them, this means that my health insurance will probably rise to about 660 per month as someone has to pay for their health insurance. As the migrant numbers grow, so does the cost of my health insurance. It is one thing being generous, and as Hugo pointed out, integration is very important. However, the word integration itself implies that both sides are trying to merge. It is not just a money thing, but that is something you cannot ignore though. Germany has paid a heavy financial price so far, and the people do not see anything beneficial coming back from it. Costs are going up everywhere, and the German public just see people sat on their arses doing nothing. The mood here has certainly changed since 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 11:29:45 GMT
Friend of mine with a wife and three kids, drove around in an old car. It was written off by a migrant driving a car with false plates. My friend, not having a lot of money, only had Third Party, Fire & Theft Insurance. He now has no car.
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