|
Post by blueridge on Sept 30, 2020 11:28:20 GMT
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Sept 30, 2020 11:30:26 GMT
London has the highest ethnic minority percentage in the country, it’s pretty much 50/50 I believe - so that argument is out of the window immediately I’m afraid. Liverpool was stay area though I think? Tbh I think the covid numbers probably have something more to do with manual working and less office jobs, than anything else? We will have no intelligent, thoughtful, responses please. I was taking the water, sort of obviously. And you are right. If an overlay of average incomes, housing quality, educational outcomes and health outcomes was made over those areas then they would be a strong indicator of a poor Covid control scenario. The very same areas that were impacted by austerity the most. Not meaning to get into an argument, but what difference does having, or not having money, make to whether you can obey distancing and mask wearing rules? I get the overcrowding housing bit. Just interested. Edit. Think maybe I should have posted this on the Coronavirus thread. Sorry.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 11:43:24 GMT
We will have no intelligent, thoughtful, responses please. I was taking the water, sort of obviously. And you are right. If an overlay of average incomes, housing quality, educational outcomes and health outcomes was made over those areas then they would be a strong indicator of a poor Covid control scenario. The very same areas that were impacted by austerity the most. Not meaning to get into an argument, but what difference does having, or not having money, make to whether you can obey distancing and mask wearing rules? I get the overcrowding housing bit. Just interested. Edit. Think maybe I should have posted this on the Coronavirus thread. Sorry. No I think there is a cross over. Health, Education, Housing, Lower Incomes can all be considered as drivers to poor outcomes. Take housing. If you are struggling to pay the rent in Merseyside for eg, and the NHS App tells you to self isolate, but your employer only pays Statutory Sick Pay, what do you do? Isolate and not pay the rent thus getting into debt, or disobey?? Answers on a postcard The Department for Austerity 10 Downing St
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 11:43:59 GMT
But you didn't draw out the data...
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Sept 30, 2020 11:46:14 GMT
Not meaning to get into an argument, but what difference does having, or not having money, make to whether you can obey distancing and mask wearing rules? I get the overcrowding housing bit. Just interested. Edit. Think maybe I should have posted this on the Coronavirus thread. Sorry. No I think there is a cross over. Health, Education, Housing, Lower Incomes can all be considered as drivers to poor outcomes. Take housing. If you are struggling to pay the rent in Merseyside for eg, and the NHS App tells you to self isolate, but your employer only pays Statutory Sick Pay, what do you do? Isolate and not pay the rent thus getting into debt, or disobey?? Answers on a postcard The Department for Austerity 10 Downing St Ah, but if you can afford a smart phone with the app, why can't you afford the rent?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 11:50:50 GMT
No I think there is a cross over. Health, Education, Housing, Lower Incomes can all be considered as drivers to poor outcomes. Take housing. If you are struggling to pay the rent in Merseyside for eg, and the NHS App tells you to self isolate, but your employer only pays Statutory Sick Pay, what do you do? Isolate and not pay the rent thus getting into debt, or disobey?? Answers on a postcard The Department for Austerity 10 Downing St Ah, but if you can afford a smart phone with the app, why can't you afford the rent? Oooh Baggins...tut tut. Most Android devices had no problem with the app. But on that argument. What happens when schools go online? Lo betide poorer folks that have a device that would allow them access... Whatever next? Equality in education? Those porter chappies will have ideas above their station!
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Sept 30, 2020 12:00:07 GMT
Ah, but if you can afford a smart phone with the app, why can't you afford the rent? Oooh Baggins...tut tut. Most Android devices had no problem with the app. But on that argument. What happens when schools go online? Lo betide poorer folks that have a device that would allow them access... Whatever next? Equality in education? Those porter chappies will have ideas above their station! But unless it's 5 years or younger, the app doesn't work. Apparently. So, get out there, get a better job, get a better phone and a better place to live? Holland Park maybe?
|
|
|
Post by Gassy on Sept 30, 2020 12:13:17 GMT
Oooh Baggins...tut tut. Most Android devices had no problem with the app. But on that argument. What happens when schools go online? Lo betide poorer folks that have a device that would allow them access... Whatever next? Equality in education? Those porter chappies will have ideas above their station! But unless it's 5 years or younger, the app doesn't work. Apparently. So, get out there, get a better job, get a better phone and a better place to live? Holland Park maybe? New slogan from the government: Stay at home —> Protect the NHS —> Stop being poor
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Sept 30, 2020 12:16:57 GMT
But unless it's 5 years or younger, the app doesn't work. Apparently. So, get out there, get a better job, get a better phone and a better place to live? Holland Park maybe? New slogan from the government: Stay at home —> Protect the NHS —> Stop being poor New?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 13:18:47 GMT
The relevance was just more boring bitterness about a democratic vote where he voted for the losing side. Basically he voted Remain which means he’s more intelligent and superior to anyone who voted Leave who he considers to be inferior and lacking intelligence.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 13:22:56 GMT
The relevance was just more boring bitterness about a democratic vote where he voted for the losing side. Basically he voted Remain which means he’s more intelligent and superior to anyone who voted Leave who he considers to be inferior and lacking intelligence. I try not to. But leave areas keep acting in stupid ways. As the figures show. I remember all the furore about the car industry in the North East. Especially given how much is exported to the EU. This morning it turns out components sourced from outside the EU will trigger tarrifs on those vehicles when entering the EU. A real boon for jobs up there....not
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Sept 30, 2020 13:32:10 GMT
The relevance was just more boring bitterness about a democratic vote where he voted for the losing side. Basically he voted Remain which means he’s more intelligent and superior to anyone who voted Leave who he considers to be inferior and lacking intelligence. I try not to. But leave areas keep acting in stupid ways. As the figures show. I remember all the furore about the car industry in the North East. Especially given how much is exported to the EU. This morning it turns out components sourced from outside the EU will trigger tarrifs on those vehicles when entering the EU. A real boon for jobs up there....not Seems as though The Fisherman are revolting as Britain prepares to soften their stance in negotiations
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Oct 1, 2020 9:15:02 GMT
Sorry to post a link to The Scum, but obviously don't want to be classed as a limp wristed Lefty, Remainer posting links to The Guardian esposing bad news www.thesun.co.uk/news/12807095/brexit-news-latest-uk-eu-trade-deal-live/THE British car industry is bracing itself for a major blow even if a post-Brexit UK-EU trade deal is signed. UK-made cars that include parts manufactured in Japan or Turkey will not be treated as British and will therefore face higher tariffs when exporting to EU markets, documents seen by the BBC suggest. And it seems the issue simply isn't one the UK is willing to fight for either, with Britain's chief Brexit negotiator Lord Frost writing that he'd so far failed to get the car parts deal he wants and "obviously cannot insist on it". Financial services firms have shifted about 7,500 employees and more than £1.2 trillion of assets to the European Union ahead of Brexit – with more likely to follow in coming weeks. About 400 relocations were announced in the past month alone, according to consulting firm EY.
|
|
|
Post by stuart1974 on Oct 1, 2020 9:42:44 GMT
|
|
|
Post by stuart1974 on Oct 1, 2020 9:44:14 GMT
Sorry to post a link to The Scum, but obviously don't want to be classed as a limp wristed Lefty, Remainer posting links to The Guardian esposing bad news www.thesun.co.uk/news/12807095/brexit-news-latest-uk-eu-trade-deal-live/THE British car industry is bracing itself for a major blow even if a post-Brexit UK-EU trade deal is signed. UK-made cars that include parts manufactured in Japan or Turkey will not be treated as British and will therefore face higher tariffs when exporting to EU markets, documents seen by the BBC suggest. And it seems the issue simply isn't one the UK is willing to fight for either, with Britain's chief Brexit negotiator Lord Frost writing that he'd so far failed to get the car parts deal he wants and "obviously cannot insist on it". Financial services firms have shifted about 7,500 employees and more than £1.2 trillion of assets to the European Union ahead of Brexit – with more likely to follow in coming weeks. About 400 relocations were announced in the past month alone, according to consulting firm EY. Just think of all the extra jobs created in agriculture and fisheries. 🤭 Dig for Victory.
|
|
|
Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 1, 2020 9:46:32 GMT
What is the current feeling among brexiteers now that much of project fear is indeed coming to pass as warned?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 10:34:52 GMT
What is the current feeling among brexiteers now that much of project fear is indeed coming to pass as warned? When I see the EU attitude towards negotiations and their priority being to punish anyone leaving their club as opposed to seeking an outcome which is beneficial to their remaining members I’m 100% happy with my leave vote and would do it again in a heartbeat. I didn’t think leaving would be without it’s short term difficulties. If any leavers have changed their views do you think their principles will have changed or do you just think it would be giving up what they believe in purely because the other party is trying their best to make our life difficult? If that is the attitude we might as well surrender to the EU and remain tied to whatever they want to do forever.
|
|
|
Post by francegas on Oct 1, 2020 10:51:26 GMT
Anyone affected? "I was shocked to receive a notification saying that my bank account is going to be closed in two months," says Sharon Clarke, a Briton who has been living in the Netherlands for 20 years and who banks with Lloyds. "They said that unless I provide a UK address, my account will be closed and I'll have to cut up my card." She is one of thousands of British expats living in the EU who are being told their bank accounts will be closed because of Brexit. Lloyds Bank has written to 13,000 personal and business customers, saying it will no longer be able to offer banking services once the Brexit transition period ends on 31 December. And Money Box found Barclays, Barclaycard and Coutts - which is owned by NatWest Group - are taking similar action. Experts say it is because lenders will lose their EU banking licences, making operating in some countries too costly. However, HSBC and Santander say they have no plans to close British expat accounts in the EU. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54240777Not here. Worked for LloydsTSB for 25 years before moving to France in 2007. Have UK accounts with Lloyd's and Nationwide and haven't received any notification of account closures.
|
|
|
Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 1, 2020 10:57:09 GMT
What is the current feeling among brexiteers now that much of project fear is indeed coming to pass as warned? When I see the EU attitude towards negotiations and their priority being to punish anyone leaving their club as opposed to seeking an outcome which is beneficial to their remaining members I’m 100% happy with my leave vote and would do it again in a heartbeat. I didn’t think leaving would be without it’s short term difficulties. If any leavers have changed their views do you think their principles will have changed or do you just think it would be giving up what they believe in purely because the other party is trying their best to make our life difficult? If that is the attitude we might as well surrender to the EU and remain tied to whatever they want to do forever. Correct me if I'm wrong eric, aren't they doing this because we broke the agreement you voted for? In terms of 'punishment', surely you didn't believe that when we left we would be afforded all the same privileges as members?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 11:03:00 GMT
When I see the EU attitude towards negotiations and their priority being to punish anyone leaving their club as opposed to seeking an outcome which is beneficial to their remaining members I’m 100% happy with my leave vote and would do it again in a heartbeat. I didn’t think leaving would be without it’s short term difficulties. If any leavers have changed their views do you think their principles will have changed or do you just think it would be giving up what they believe in purely because the other party is trying their best to make our life difficult? If that is the attitude we might as well surrender to the EU and remain tied to whatever they want to do forever. Correct me if I'm wrong eric, aren't they doing this because we broke the agreement you voted for? In terms of 'punishment', surely you didn't believe that when we left we would be afforded all the same privileges as members? I didn’t expect us to be able to cherry pick any benefits of EU membership and retain those the same as the poor buggers left in. I didn’t necessarily expect them to be so obstructive to the point where they will damage the trading abilities of their remaining states to give us our just desserts.
|
|