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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2020 11:00:11 GMT
I am surprised there hasn’t been a detailed discussion on here about how you all intend to up-sticks and go to live in Scotland. Just imagine,you could then vote for independence from the hated English and lobby to join the EU. You could then spend the rest of your lives in a European Utopia, flashing the finger at all the horrible Xenophobes across the border. Perfect. What’s stopping you? It’s cold up there 🥶 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 11:03:57 GMT
I am surprised there hasn’t been a detailed discussion on here about how you all intend to up-sticks and go to live in Scotland. Just imagine,you could then vote for independence from the hated English and lobby to join the EU. You could then spend the rest of your lives in a European Utopia, flashing the finger at all the horrible Xenophobes across the border. Perfect. What’s stopping you? It’s cold up there 🥶 😂😂😂 |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 27, 2020 11:14:34 GMT
How so? We drank Champagne before we joined the EU, we'll drink it after we've left. We will still trade with the EU, whether it's with a deal or WTO terms. The French will be desperate to sell us their Champagne, Citroen, Peugeot and Renault cars etc etc. Nothing much will change in that regard. What will be different is that we will be a sovereign nation and won't be paying 15 billion a year to be told what laws we make, our level of taxation, because that's coming next, and how many European fishing boats will be plundering our waters, amongst a host of other rules and regs.a so I should get back on your chair old boy, you look rather silly. I've tried to engage politely, you do make it difficult though. Can you name the rules you think we are having imposed? None of what you posted above was outside of our control. Yes, you always present your views in a reasonable way. My comments were aimed mainly at Oldie, falling of his chair in uncontrolled mirth because he imagines I wasn’t aware that Champagne is a French beverage. As for rules imposed from Brussels, surely you don’t need to be reminded about Maastricht, Dublin etc etc. We are largely administered from Europe, and the intention is that their scope widens inexorably until each EU nation is nothing but an inter-dependent state, a bit like an English county is now. Each state will have very limited revenue raising scope, like our present council tax, but how that’s spent, and the raising of the main revenue streams will be decided centrally. We all know that’s the aim, why do you try and deny this? I voted to join the Common Market back in the day. We were lied to and told it was merely an organisation to facilitate trade between, I believe, 6 or 8 friendly European nations. We were never told of the federal aspirations of the organisation, and in the intervening years they have imposed layer after layer of centralised control and chipped away at individual sovereignty. The main beneficiaries of this are Germany and France. Realising the unpopularity being expressed by the people Cameron the Snake promised a referendum. He didn’t think it would happen because he was convinced there would be another Lib/Con government and that Clegg would put a stop to it. He got the surprise of his life when the Tories won outright, and set about spending tax payers money on project fear, trying to frighten people into voting to stay. Fortunately the majority of people had enough sense to see through this and voted to leave. Cameron did what all spineless jellyfish cowards do and ran away, leaving us with that dreadful May woman. In spite of everything the country has held firm and stood up against the EU’ bullying and brow-beating. We’re leaving on Jan 1st. Hooray, Get the CHAMPAGNE on ice. Raise a glass and fall off your chair Oldie! |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 27, 2020 11:17:29 GMT
I am surprised there hasn’t been a detailed discussion on here about how you all intend to up-sticks and go to live in Scotland. Just imagine,you could then vote for independence from the hated English and lobby to join the EU. You could then spend the rest of your lives in a European Utopia, flashing the finger at all the horrible Xenophobes across the border. Perfect. What’s stopping you? It’s cold up there 🥶 Don’t worry, what with global warming and everything they’ll soon have a Med climate. You’ll be able to sit on the Aberdeen beachfront and spend your Euros on a nice cold glass of Estrella |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2020 11:24:11 GMT
Don’t worry, what with global warming and everything they’ll soon have a Med climate. You’ll be able to sit on the Aberdeen beachfront and spend your Euros on a nice cold glass of Estella. No comment on the UK - Japan trade deal Oldgas ? You were lauding it the other day I think |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 11:31:16 GMT
I've tried to engage politely, you do make it difficult though. Can you name the rules you think we are having imposed? None of what you posted above was outside of our control. Yes, you always present your views in a reasonableness way. My comments were aimed mainly at Oldie, falling of his chair in uncontrolled mirth because he imagines I wasn’t aware that Champagne is a French beverage. As for rules imposed from Brussels, surely you don’t need to be reminded about Maastricht, Dublin etc etc. We are largely administered from Europe, and the intention is that their scope widens inexorably until each EU nation is nothing but an inter-dependent state, a bit like an English county is now. Each state will have very limited revenue raising scope, like our present council tax, but how that’s spent, and the raising of the main revenue streams will be decided centrally. We all know that’s the aim, why do you try and deny this? I voted to join the Common Market back in the day. We were lied to and told it was merely an organisation to facilitate trade between, I believe, 6 or 8 friendly European nations. We were never told of the federal aspirations of the organisation, and in the intervening years they have imposed layer after layer of centralised control and chipped away at individual sovereignty. The main beneficiaries of this are Germany and France. Realising the unpopularity being expressed by the people Cameron the Snake promised a referendum. He didn’t think it would happen because he was convinced there would be another Lib/Con government and that Clegg would put a stop to it. He got the surprise of his life when the Tories won outright, and set about spending tax payers money on project fear, trying to frighten people into voting to stay. Fortunately the majority of people had enough sense to see through this and voted to leave. Cameron did what all spineless jellyfish cowards do and ran away, leaving us with that dreadful May woman. In spite of everything the country has held firm and stood up against the EU’ bullying and brow-beating. We’re leaving on Jan 1st. Hooray, Get the CHAMPAGNE on ice. Raise a glass and fall off your chair Oldie! Another Trumpian post full of false ascertions and ill formed personal opinion. All of which you are entitled to obviously, but it makes you sound as silly as Trump himself. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 27, 2020 11:34:52 GMT
Don’t worry, what with global warming and everything they’ll soon have a Med climate. You’ll be able to sit on the Aberdeen beachfront and spend your Euros on a nice cold glass of Estella. No comment on the UK - Japan trade deal Oldgas ? You were lauding it the other day I think Any comment on the fact that Poland and Hungary have vetoed the next 7 year EU budget because they don’t want the EU dictating how many gimmigrants they have to accept, and will withhold money from them if they don’t obey? You really want to remain part of an organisation that takes away YOUR country’s right to self-determination. To have to obey a law passed in either Brussels or Strasbourg, depending where the EU parliament happens to be sitting? |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 27, 2020 12:20:41 GMT
Yes, you always present your views in a reasonableness way. My comments were aimed mainly at Oldie, falling of his chair in uncontrolled mirth because he imagines I wasn’t aware that Champagne is a French beverage. As for rules imposed from Brussels, surely you don’t need to be reminded about Maastricht, Dublin etc etc. We are largely administered from Europe, and the intention is that their scope widens inexorably until each EU nation is nothing but an inter-dependent state, a bit like an English county is now. Each state will have very limited revenue raising scope, like our present council tax, but how that’s spent, and the raising of the main revenue streams will be decided centrally. We all know that’s the aim, why do you try and deny this? I voted to join the Common Market back in the day. We were lied to and told it was merely an organisation to facilitate trade between, I believe, 6 or 8 friendly European nations. We were never told of the federal aspirations of the organisation, and in the intervening years they have imposed layer after layer of centralised control and chipped away at individual sovereignty. The main beneficiaries of this are Germany and France. Realising the unpopularity being expressed by the people Cameron the Snake promised a referendum. He didn’t think it would happen because he was convinced there would be another Lib/Con government and that Clegg would put a stop to it. He got the surprise of his life when the Tories won outright, and set about spending tax payers money on project fear, trying to frighten people into voting to stay. Fortunately the majority of people had enough sense to see through this and voted to leave. Cameron did what all spineless jellyfish cowards do and ran away, leaving us with that dreadful May woman. In spite of everything the country has held firm and stood up against the EU’ bullying and brow-beating. We’re leaving on Jan 1st. Hooray, Get the CHAMPAGNE on ice. Raise a glass and fall off your chair Oldie! Another Trumpian post full of false ascertions and ill formed personal opinion. All of which you are entitled to obviously, but it makes you sound as silly as Trump himself. What is false and what are the ill-formed personal opinions? Oh, and by the way, it’s assertions; seeing as you’ve been so keen to correct my spelling in the past. Check the Cambridge and OED. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2020 12:44:49 GMT
No comment on the UK - Japan trade deal Oldgas ? You were lauding it the other day I think Any comment on the fact that Poland and Hungary have vetoed the next 7 year EU budget because they don’t want the EU dictating how many gimmigrants they have to accept, and will withhold money from them if they don’t obey? You really want to remain part of an organisation that takes away YOUR country’s right to self-determination. To have to obey a law passed in either Brussels or Strasbourg, depending where the EU parliament happens to be sitting? No comment then , didn’t think you would . Why do all your arguments boil down to immigrants in some way or another ? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 13:11:02 GMT
Any comment on the fact that Poland and Hungary have vetoed the next 7 year EU budget because they don’t want the EU dictating how many gimmigrants they have to accept, and will withhold money from them if they don’t obey? You really want to remain part of an organisation that takes away YOUR country’s right to self-determination. To have to obey a law passed in either Brussels or Strasbourg, depending where the EU parliament happens to be sitting? No comment then , didn’t think you would . Why do all your arguments boil down to immigrants in some way or another ? Because Deep in the soul, that is what it's all about for him. Not that he is likely to admit it. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2020 13:50:06 GMT
No comment then , didn’t think you would . Why do all your arguments boil down to immigrants in some way or another ? Because Deep in the soul, that is what it's all about for him. Not that he is likely to admit it. Sad isn’t it ? All that hatred , not just about immigrants coming here he’s now angry about immigrants entering another country in the EU that we’ve already left . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 14:04:08 GMT
Because Deep in the soul, that is what it's all about for him. Not that he is likely to admit it. Sad isn’t it ? All that hatred , not just about immigrants coming here he’s now angry about immigrants entering another country in the EU that we’ve already left . He's loving life at the moment isn't he. A hateful brexit and conservative politics, oh the joys it brings. The more hatred, the better for oldgas's day. If we're lucky he might tell us more stories, like that time he gave 50p to an English beggar. He did all his patriotic duty in one go! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 27, 2020 14:31:54 GMT
I've tried to engage politely, you do make it difficult though. Can you name the rules you think we are having imposed? None of what you posted above was outside of our control. Yes, you always present your views in a reasonable way. My comments were aimed mainly at Oldie, falling of his chair in uncontrolled mirth because he imagines I wasn’t aware that Champagne is a French beverage. As for rules imposed from Brussels, surely you don’t need to be reminded about Maastricht, Dublin etc etc. We are largely administered from Europe, and the intention is that their scope widens inexorably until each EU nation is nothing but an inter-dependent state, a bit like an English county is now. Each state will have very limited revenue raising scope, like our present council tax, but how that’s spent, and the raising of the main revenue streams will be decided centrally. We all know that’s the aim, why do you try and deny this? I voted to join the Common Market back in the day. We were lied to and told it was merely an organisation to facilitate trade between, I believe, 6 or 8 friendly European nations. We were never told of the federal aspirations of the organisation, and in the intervening years they have imposed layer after layer of centralised control and chipped away at individual sovereignty. The main beneficiaries of this are Germany and France. Realising the unpopularity being expressed by the people Cameron the Snake promised a referendum. He didn’t think it would happen because he was convinced there would be another Lib/Con government and that Clegg would put a stop to it. He got the surprise of his life when the Tories won outright, and set about spending tax payers money on project fear, trying to frighten people into voting to stay. Fortunately the majority of people had enough sense to see through this and voted to leave. Cameron did what all spineless jellyfish cowards do and ran away, leaving us with that dreadful May woman. In spite of everything the country has held firm and stood up against the EU’ bullying and brow-beating. We’re leaving on Jan 1st. Hooray, Get the CHAMPAGNE on ice. Raise a glass and fall off your chair Oldie! I agree about Cameron's intention to drop it expecting to be in another coalition. He was also emboldened by the PR vote and Scottish independence referendum in that he expected the nuclear option to be rejected. As for the treaties, we've signed up to many over the years, I've used NATO as an example but there are plenty. Neither Maastrict or Lisbon were imposed on us, they were agreed by our Sovereign Parliament who were free to reject them. We probably should have had referenda on them but our laws state Westminster chooses. Same going forward, it remained within our gift to integrate further or not. I was hoping you could give an example of what rules we are forced to follow after Brussels tells us that has had a detrimental effect on you. I'd be surprised if you could list more than three. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2020 14:38:40 GMT
Yes, you always present your views in a reasonable way. My comments were aimed mainly at Oldie, falling of his chair in uncontrolled mirth because he imagines I wasn’t aware that Champagne is a French beverage. As for rules imposed from Brussels, surely you don’t need to be reminded about Maastricht, Dublin etc etc. We are largely administered from Europe, and the intention is that their scope widens inexorably until each EU nation is nothing but an inter-dependent state, a bit like an English county is now. Each state will have very limited revenue raising scope, like our present council tax, but how that’s spent, and the raising of the main revenue streams will be decided centrally. We all know that’s the aim, why do you try and deny this? I voted to join the Common Market back in the day. We were lied to and told it was merely an organisation to facilitate trade between, I believe, 6 or 8 friendly European nations. We were never told of the federal aspirations of the organisation, and in the intervening years they have imposed layer after layer of centralised control and chipped away at individual sovereignty. The main beneficiaries of this are Germany and France. Realising the unpopularity being expressed by the people Cameron the Snake promised a referendum. He didn’t think it would happen because he was convinced there would be another Lib/Con government and that Clegg would put a stop to it. He got the surprise of his life when the Tories won outright, and set about spending tax payers money on project fear, trying to frighten people into voting to stay. Fortunately the majority of people had enough sense to see through this and voted to leave. Cameron did what all spineless jellyfish cowards do and ran away, leaving us with that dreadful May woman. In spite of everything the country has held firm and stood up against the EU’ bullying and brow-beating. We’re leaving on Jan 1st. Hooray, Get the CHAMPAGNE on ice. Raise a glass and fall off your chair Oldie! I agree about Cameron's intention to drop it expecting to be in another coalition. He was also emboldened by the PR vote and Scottish independence referendum in that he expected the nuclear option to be rejected. As for the treaties, we've signed up to many over the years, I've used NATO as an example but there are plenty. Neither Maastrict or Lisbon were imposed on us, they were agreed by our Sovereign Parliament who were free to reject them. We probably should have had referenda on them but our laws state Westminster chooses. Same going forward, it remained within our gift to integrate further or not. I was hoping you could give an example of what rules we are forced to follow after Brussels tells us that has had a detrimental effect on you. I'd be surprised if you could list more than three. One would be a start ... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 27, 2020 15:16:03 GMT
No comment on the UK - Japan trade deal Oldgas ? You were lauding it the other day I think Any comment on the fact that Poland and Hungary have vetoed the next 7 year EU budget because they don’t want the EU dictating how many gimmigrants they have to accept, and will withhold money from them if they don’t obey? You really want to remain part of an organisation that takes away YOUR country’s right to self-determination. To have to obey a law passed in either Brussels or Strasbourg, depending where the EU parliament happens to be sitting? Poland and Hungary are threatening to veto the budget because the EU are linking disbursement of central funds to the restrictions on the press. It shows the power of national governments to not be ruled by Brussels (Cameron did it too, don't forget) and surely we'd prefer a free press, wouldn’t we? Nothing to do with immigration and actually contradicts your point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 16:20:14 GMT
Yes, you always present your views in a reasonable way. My comments were aimed mainly at Oldie, falling of his chair in uncontrolled mirth because he imagines I wasn’t aware that Champagne is a French beverage. As for rules imposed from Brussels, surely you don’t need to be reminded about Maastricht, Dublin etc etc. We are largely administered from Europe, and the intention is that their scope widens inexorably until each EU nation is nothing but an inter-dependent state, a bit like an English county is now. Each state will have very limited revenue raising scope, like our present council tax, but how that’s spent, and the raising of the main revenue streams will be decided centrally. We all know that’s the aim, why do you try and deny this? I voted to join the Common Market back in the day. We were lied to and told it was merely an organisation to facilitate trade between, I believe, 6 or 8 friendly European nations. We were never told of the federal aspirations of the organisation, and in the intervening years they have imposed layer after layer of centralised control and chipped away at individual sovereignty. The main beneficiaries of this are Germany and France. Realising the unpopularity being expressed by the people Cameron the Snake promised a referendum. He didn’t think it would happen because he was convinced there would be another Lib/Con government and that Clegg would put a stop to it. He got the surprise of his life when the Tories won outright, and set about spending tax payers money on project fear, trying to frighten people into voting to stay. Fortunately the majority of people had enough sense to see through this and voted to leave. Cameron did what all spineless jellyfish cowards do and ran away, leaving us with that dreadful May woman. In spite of everything the country has held firm and stood up against the EU’ bullying and brow-beating. We’re leaving on Jan 1st. Hooray, Get the CHAMPAGNE on ice. Raise a glass and fall off your chair Oldie! I agree about Cameron's intention to drop it expecting to be in another coalition. He was also emboldened by the PR vote and Scottish independence referendum in that he expected the nuclear option to be rejected. As for the treaties, we've signed up to many over the years, I've used NATO as an example but there are plenty. Neither Maastrict or Lisbon were imposed on us, they were agreed by our Sovereign Parliament who were free to reject them. We probably should have had referenda on them but our laws state Westminster chooses. Same going forward, it remained within our gift to integrate further or not. I was hoping you could give an example of what rules we are forced to follow after Brussels tells us that has had a detrimental effect on you. I'd be surprised if you could list more than three. Three? Not even one. I will wager. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 27, 2020 16:52:37 GMT
🇬🇧 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍 Champagne for everyone ! 🍾 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 19:09:50 GMT
🇬🇧 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍 Champagne for everyone ! 🍾 The funny thing is that English Sparkling wine quality is on a par with some of the champagne coming out of France, the terroir being similar in Southern England and the climate increasingly so. |
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