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Post by oldgas on Nov 29, 2020 16:53:31 GMT
And when you consider I’ve been fighting a lone battle against 4 or 5 of you, because in the final analysis you’re the only ones on this whole forum who seem to give a flying that we’re leaving I reckon I’ve given a pretty good account and kept you all busy. No need to thank me. Let’s see if you’re still posting in a few months time when the sh** hits the fan...... because it will do , trust me. Come Jan 1st we’ll be out, with or without a deal. I won’t be making any more comment because what will be will be. You never know, it may all turn out to be ok. I can only imagine the depths of your disappointment when that happens. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 29, 2020 16:56:56 GMT
Let’s see if you’re still posting in a few months time when the sh** hits the fan...... because it will do , trust me. Come Jan 1st we’ll be out, with or without a deal. I won’t be making any more comment because what will be will be. You never know, it may all turn out to be ok. I can only imagine the depths of your disappointment when that happens. Of course you won’t , you’ll run away and bury your head in a pillow rather than front up and admit you were wrong . I expected nothing more from you . ❄️ |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 29, 2020 16:58:40 GMT
Come Jan 1st we’ll be out, with or without a deal. I won’t be making any more comment because what will be will be. You never know, it may all turn out to be ok. I can only imagine the depths of your disappointment when that happens. Of course you won’t , you’ll run away and bury your head in a pillow rather than front up and admit you were wrong . I expected nothing more from you . ❄️ We won't know for decades whether the decision was right or wrong . |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 29, 2020 17:00:53 GMT
Of course you won’t , you’ll run away and bury your head in a pillow rather than front up and admit you were wrong . I expected nothing more from you . ❄️ We won't know for decades whether the decision was right or wrong . Not that old excuse. The JRM get out clause . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 17:02:06 GMT
Of course you won’t , you’ll run away and bury your head in a pillow rather than front up and admit you were wrong . I expected nothing more from you . ❄️ We won't know for decades whether the decision was right or wrong . Oh Clive We will, we will. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 29, 2020 17:09:16 GMT
We won't know for decades whether the decision was right or wrong . Not that old excuse. The JRM get out clause . It's a fact not an excuse you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months . |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 29, 2020 17:12:26 GMT
We won't know for decades whether the decision was right or wrong . Oh Clive We will, we will. Les you know that understanding trends and drivers in 2 large Economies is not possible in the short term if you want to make a balanced objective assessment. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 29, 2020 17:34:44 GMT
Not that old excuse. The JRM get out clause . It's a fact not an excuse you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months . Obvs not in 3 months but to suggest we have to wait 20 yrs to have the right to say it’s a balls-up is ridiculous |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 17:40:29 GMT
We’ve voted to give him the power to do us harm. Don’t blame me if he uses it, which he will, because why wouldn’t he? What are we going to do to stop him? What leverage do we possibly have to make the president of the US take us seriously? We’re desperate for a deal! If we’re going to give them that power then we need to man up and take the consequences but as I’ve said before I can see all the brexit voters avoiding the consequences by changing their tune and you’ll struggle to find someone who admits to voting for it when the reality starts to dawn that it’s gone tits up (if it hasn’t already) Perhaps if you Remainers hadn’t done your level best to overturn the leave vote this would have been progressed quicker and we wouldn’t be faced with having Obama mk2 in the White House interfering in our democracy. I don’t agree we’re desperate for a deal. May wasn’t desperate for a deal, she just wanted to keep us tied to Europe, that’s why it’s been so torturous trying to unpick the awful terms she tried to force through. A deal would be nice, but if the terms are too onerous then no deal will be fine. But who is saying that no deal will be a good thing economically? I can’t recall seeing any economist try and argue that no deal will do anything other than cause severe economic hardship, in the short term at least. We’ll be going to Biden and basically saying “look mate, you better give us a decent deal because if you don’t, I’m going to cut my arm off”. I recall that quote by one of the Brexit mob saying “we hold all the cards”. I don’t think anything could be further from the truth, in reality. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 29, 2020 17:41:51 GMT
When I voted for a Dolphin I did so because we were told we would be a billion fish a week better off straight away. I didnt think it would all go to the NHS because Farage endorsed it. Now we are saying we will be poorer and may not even be able to judge it for decades?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 29, 2020 17:42:57 GMT
Perhaps if you Remainers hadn’t done your level best to overturn the leave vote this would have been progressed quicker and we wouldn’t be faced with having Obama mk2 in the White House interfering in our democracy. I don’t agree we’re desperate for a deal. May wasn’t desperate for a deal, she just wanted to keep us tied to Europe, that’s why it’s been so torturous trying to unpick the awful terms she tried to force through. A deal would be nice, but if the terms are too onerous then no deal will be fine. But who is saying that no deal will be a good thing economically? I can’t recall seeing any economist try and argue that no deal will do anything other than cause severe economic hardship, in the short term at least. We’ll be going to Biden and basically saying “look mate, you better give us a decent deal because if you don’t, I’m going to cut my arm off”. I recall that quote by one of the Brexit mob saying “we hold all the cards”. I don’t think anything could be further from the truth, in reality. 'other'arm off. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 29, 2020 18:18:10 GMT
If you did, you would know about the checks and balances for QMV and that new treaties would have required a UK wide referendum. No need for the snide comment, it was a perfectly reasonable question. It wasn’t snide comment and I apologise if that’s how it was perceived. I was genuinely surprised that you were being so literal. Yes, I’ve heard of QVM and it’s fine as far as it goes. However, what do you make of this? www.politico.eu/article/majority-back-end-to-national-veto-2/Fortunately its academic as far as were concerned because we are free at last. I see that Van Der Layen is leaning on Barnier to loosen up and agree a deal, so they want it, probably more than us. The reason is simple, they need to trade with us. Even if we leave with no deal I think talks will continue and a deal will be sorted in the end. They are still coming to terms with our being sovereign. Apology accepted, you can get off the naughty step, just don't get too comfy.😀 Your link is well out of date, though, and has long been superseded by Lisbon. You may be better off with this one: ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_19_225Comes to something when a remainer has to give credibility to the leave argument!!! Even so, we still would have retained a veto in any changes. |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 29, 2020 18:55:17 GMT
What have I made up? I've only pointed out facts posted in this thread. Boris voted against May's deal and held up Brexit multiple times. You're complaining about the 'traitors' that held up Brexit, but you then voted one of them into power. I haven't brought up anything in a misleading manner, I've merely posted facts about what 365 said and you've said. You're wanting it both ways and frankly you're upset that you've been caught red handed with it too. The whole traitor line is pretty embarrassing for you anyway tbh - on your logic, you're a traitor - so it doesn't really hold water. The fact that you've tried to politicise the deaths of our soldiers for your own Brexit opinion is shameful, in my opinion. Mays deal was BRINO. It would probably have delighted you remainers because it would have meant we would have had to follow Brussels slavishly without having the ability to be a nuisance and have any say. It would have accelerated the European project which would have suited you just fine. We would have been a vassal state, unable to act independently. Thank God her plans were seen through and thank God we are standing toe to toe with the EU and fighting for the best we can get. That answers the rest of your ridiculous allegations. Dont ever take a job as a prosecutor, you’d be an abject failure. So how did remainers delay it? Yet again you're wanting both sides of the coin - it's getting embarrassing. So firstly you call 365 a traitor and wish death on him for wanting no deal. Then you admit you'll celebrate a no deal. You then complain about remainers delaying tactics by not voting through Brexit and it's actually their fault. You then voted in one of those people who held up the deal. Then to top it off, you justify his reason for holding up the deal, even though you just complained about it and blamed those people. As funny as it is seeing you tangle yourself up over and over and over again, I'm actually starting to feel quite sorry for you. |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 29, 2020 19:01:32 GMT
It's a fact not an excuse you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months . Obvs not in 3 months but to suggest we have to wait 20 yrs to have the right to say it’s a balls-up is ridiculous It's the same blinkers as Covid. You can't blame the government or hold any responsibility until years after. Tory voters and party members unfortunately seem to believe their actions don't require responsibility. You can guarantee if we suddenly grew in GDP and had instant success from Brexit, OldGas & Trevor would be reminding us immediately. They certainly wouldn't say, "you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months". Basically the rule is: If we do well at the beginning of Brexit, then it's a sign of things to come. However if we do badly, that's not a sign of things to come - we just need 20 more years. Make sense of that! |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 29, 2020 19:14:55 GMT
Obvs not in 3 months but to suggest we have to wait 20 yrs to have the right to say it’s a balls-up is ridiculous It's the same blinkers as Covid. You can't blame the government or hold any responsibility until years after. Tory voters and party members unfortunately seem to believe their actions don't require responsibility. You can guarantee if we suddenly grew in GDP and had instant success from Brexit, OldGas & Trevor would be reminding us immediately. They certainly wouldn't say, "you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months". Basically the rule is: If we do well at the beginning of Brexit, then it's a sign of things to come. However if we do badly, that's not a sign of things to come - we just need 20 more years. Make sense of that! Sunlit uplands 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 19:24:38 GMT
It's the same blinkers as Covid. You can't blame the government or hold any responsibility until years after. Tory voters and party members unfortunately seem to believe their actions don't require responsibility. You can guarantee if we suddenly grew in GDP and had instant success from Brexit, OldGas & Trevor would be reminding us immediately. They certainly wouldn't say, "you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months". Basically the rule is: If we do well at the beginning of Brexit, then it's a sign of things to come. However if we do badly, that's not a sign of things to come - we just need 20 more years. Make sense of that! Sunlit uplands 🙄 The easiest deal in history |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 29, 2020 19:26:53 GMT
It's a fact not an excuse you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months . Obvs not in 3 months but to suggest we have to wait 20 yrs to have the right to say it’s a balls-up is ridiculous Well you don't know it's a balls up anymore than I do |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 29, 2020 19:28:55 GMT
Obvs not in 3 months but to suggest we have to wait 20 yrs to have the right to say it’s a balls-up is ridiculous Well you don't know it's a balls up anymore than I do Oh , I’m pretty confident. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 29, 2020 19:34:32 GMT
Obvs not in 3 months but to suggest we have to wait 20 yrs to have the right to say it’s a balls-up is ridiculous It's the same blinkers as Covid. You can't blame the government or hold any responsibility until years after. Tory voters and party members unfortunately seem to believe their actions don't require responsibility. You can guarantee if we suddenly grew in GDP and had instant success from Brexit, OldGas & Trevor would be reminding us immediately. They certainly wouldn't say, "you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months". Basically the rule is: If we do well at the beginning of Brexit, then it's a sign of things to come. However if we do badly, that's not a sign of things to come - we just need 20 more years. Make sense of that! Dont mistake me for a Tory voter or anything else,I am just seeking evidence and objectivity before I make up my mind what's a balls up and what has caused it rather than supposition,if Brexit is the cause then fine but I won't waste time agonising over a decision made 4/5 years ago. By the way my names Clive |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 29, 2020 19:41:57 GMT
It's the same blinkers as Covid. You can't blame the government or hold any responsibility until years after. Tory voters and party members unfortunately seem to believe their actions don't require responsibility. You can guarantee if we suddenly grew in GDP and had instant success from Brexit, OldGas & Trevor would be reminding us immediately. They certainly wouldn't say, "you can't judge how 2 separate large Economies perform in 3 months". Basically the rule is: If we do well at the beginning of Brexit, then it's a sign of things to come. However if we do badly, that's not a sign of things to come - we just need 20 more years. Make sense of that! Dont mistake me for a Tory voter or anything else,I am just seeking evidence and objectivity before I make up my mind what's a balls up and what has caused it rather than supposition,if Brexit is the cause then fine but I won't waste time agonising over a decision made 4/5 years ago. By the way my names Clive Well exactly that, it's a win/win then really isn't it? If it goes well then you made a great decision. If it doesn't then you can say give it more time. If it's still rubbish in 5 years time then ah well, it was 5 years ago. At what point is there responsibility? Thought it was Clive, but couldn't quite remember  |
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