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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 11:49:50 GMT
Completely disagree with almost everything you have said in that post. Thats because you aren't a sniveling class traitor, you enjoy your empathy, I'll wallow in apathy thanks. 🤔🤣🤣 |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 8, 2020 12:14:49 GMT
Summary from Robert Peston, all down to Boris. "But Johnson has apparently decided no post-Brexit free trade deal is worth the name if it is not backed by the majority of Tory MP members of the European Research Group - perhaps because without their unseating of Theresa May and backing for him, he would not be in his job today. What I don't know is whether he understands the weighty significance of sticking to that position. Because if he continues to press the EU for a deal that would win the universal acclaim of the MPs of the European Research Group, the UK will be leaving the transition at one second after midnight on December 31 without a deal." www.itv.com/news/2020-12-07/brexit-deal-or-no-deal-is-now-a-simple-personal-choice-for-boris-johnsonIt's a difficult one,if we are going to leave i see little merit in being tied to the EU in respect of their regulations pertaining to Competition/Standards etc and I see no reason to accept their Court process for dispute resolution,these are not conditions imposed on other Countries who have a trade deal ,happy to be corrected. Ok to give them a longer transition re fishing as it has little impact but the other conditions are far reaching and I can't see how they would be compatible with leaving. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 12:37:11 GMT
Summary from Robert Peston, all down to Boris. "But Johnson has apparently decided no post-Brexit free trade deal is worth the name if it is not backed by the majority of Tory MP members of the European Research Group - perhaps because without their unseating of Theresa May and backing for him, he would not be in his job today. What I don't know is whether he understands the weighty significance of sticking to that position. Because if he continues to press the EU for a deal that would win the universal acclaim of the MPs of the European Research Group, the UK will be leaving the transition at one second after midnight on December 31 without a deal." www.itv.com/news/2020-12-07/brexit-deal-or-no-deal-is-now-a-simple-personal-choice-for-boris-johnsonIt's a difficult one,if we are going to leave i see little merit in being tied to the EU in respect of their regulations pertaining to Competition/Standards etc and I see no reason to accept their Court process for dispute resolution,these are not conditions imposed on other Countries who have a trade deal ,happy to be corrected. Ok to give them a longer transition re fishing as it has little impact but the other conditions are far reaching and I can't see how they would be compatible with leaving. Yes But my understanding is that the deal being negotiated (sic) is far more comprehensive than any other third country enjoys. Hence their desire to tie in. Personally I would have said yes to everything but give us financial services. But no, we went for cod and some nebulous understanding of Sovereignty, which means eff all to the average person. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 12:42:44 GMT
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Dec 8, 2020 12:53:35 GMT
We may well have to take a hit in some areas before we can steam ahead. That's an outcome of the referendum vote I'm afraid. Let's hope a deal is done this week, for their and our sakes. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 8, 2020 13:09:29 GMT
Summary from Robert Peston, all down to Boris. "But Johnson has apparently decided no post-Brexit free trade deal is worth the name if it is not backed by the majority of Tory MP members of the European Research Group - perhaps because without their unseating of Theresa May and backing for him, he would not be in his job today. What I don't know is whether he understands the weighty significance of sticking to that position. Because if he continues to press the EU for a deal that would win the universal acclaim of the MPs of the European Research Group, the UK will be leaving the transition at one second after midnight on December 31 without a deal." www.itv.com/news/2020-12-07/brexit-deal-or-no-deal-is-now-a-simple-personal-choice-for-boris-johnsonIt's a difficult one,if we are going to leave i see little merit in being tied to the EU in respect of their regulations pertaining to Competition/Standards etc and I see no reason to accept their Court process for dispute resolution,these are not conditions imposed on other Countries who have a trade deal ,happy to be corrected. Ok to give them a longer transition re fishing as it has little impact but the other conditions are far reaching and I can't see how they would be compatible with leaving. In terms of dispute resolutions, the Peston article suggested the UK Courts would be used, first I've read of that proposal. "Because your answer will help you determine whether or not you think Boris Johnson is being reasonable in rejecting the EU stipulation that the UK should not weaken its environmental, labour and state aid standards (inter alia) in return for not paying any tariffs or being subject to any quantitative restrictions when trading with the world's biggest market. The EU in essence wants its firms to be able to sue in British courts if the UK weakens its adherence to those standards in a way that gives UK firms an unfair competitive advantage. Boris Johnson says that is outrageous. And, mark you, he is outraged even though the EU is not doing what many Brexiters feared, and which it started off by doing, which was insist on a role for the European Court of Justice in adjudicating on such disputes." With CETA there is a separate system "Eight EU countries have existing agreements that include a mechanism for resolving disputes between governments and investors known as investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS). The ICS will supersede these and be a permanent structure, including professional judges appointed jointly by the EU and Canada who will have to adhere to a strict code of conduct." Agree on fish, I'd suggest something similar for standards too, maybe we won't diverge for a set period and then phase in any changes. Problem is, both sides (well Boris and Macron) need to be seen as the victor, as always politics gets in the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 13:12:25 GMT
We may well have to take a hit in some areas before we can steam ahead. That's an outcome of the referendum vote I'm afraid. Let's hope a deal is done this week, for their and our sakes.  Happy with that if someone could show where we are steaming to. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 8, 2020 13:34:42 GMT
oooh goody. we have done a continuity agreement with *Checks notes* EFTA countries
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 13:41:39 GMT
oooh goody. we have done a continuity agreement with *Checks notes* EFTA countries Oh smashing So it's Cake and Haddock |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 8, 2020 13:46:54 GMT
Well? 🤠"The government will drop parts of legislation that could have seen the UK break international law after reaching an "agreement in principle" on Brexit divorce issues. Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove said he was "delighted" to have reached an agreement, including on post-Brexit arrangements for the Irish border. As a result, the government said it would withdraw the most controversial parts of its Internal Market Bill. The proposed legislation had seen the EU threaten legal action against the UK as part of a bitter row. The government has also promised not to introduce any similar measures in its Taxation Bill, which is due to be debated by MPs in the House of Commons later on Tuesday." news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-to-ditch-internal-market-bill-clauses-after-reaching-agreement-in-principle-on-northern-ireland-protocol-12155176 |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 8, 2020 13:47:30 GMT
oooh goody. we have done a continuity agreement with *Checks notes* EFTA countries Oh smashing So it's Cake and Haddock We want to go further though which is good. Obviously we can't join EFTA though because "This is based on common rules and equal conditions of competition and provides for the adequate means of enforcement at the judicial level" |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 13:48:07 GMT
Well? 🤠"The government will drop parts of legislation that could have seen the UK break international law after reaching an "agreement in principle" on Brexit divorce issues. Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove said he was "delighted" to have reached an agreement, including on post-Brexit arrangements for the Irish border. As a result, the government said it would withdraw the most controversial parts of its Internal Market Bill. The proposed legislation had seen the EU threaten legal action against the UK as part of a bitter row. The government has also promised not to introduce any similar measures in its Taxation Bill, which is due to be debated by MPs in the House of Commons later on Tuesday." news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-to-ditch-internal-market-bill-clauses-after-reaching-agreement-in-principle-on-northern-ireland-protocol-12155176Smells like a deal |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 8, 2020 14:00:16 GMT
Oh smashing So it's Cake and Haddock We want to go further though which is good. Obviously we can't join EFTA though because "This is based on common rules and equal conditions of competition and provides for the adequate means of enforcement at the judicial level" Chances are EFTA would see us as too big and unbalance it. A variation of it would have solved a lot of issues, except for the ERG. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 8, 2020 14:14:05 GMT
Well? 🤠"The government will drop parts of legislation that could have seen the UK break international law after reaching an "agreement in principle" on Brexit divorce issues. Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove said he was "delighted" to have reached an agreement, including on post-Brexit arrangements for the Irish border. As a result, the government said it would withdraw the most controversial parts of its Internal Market Bill. The proposed legislation had seen the EU threaten legal action against the UK as part of a bitter row. The government has also promised not to introduce any similar measures in its Taxation Bill, which is due to be debated by MPs in the House of Commons later on Tuesday." news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-to-ditch-internal-market-bill-clauses-after-reaching-agreement-in-principle-on-northern-ireland-protocol-12155176Smells like a deal It's almost as though they created it solely as a bargaining chip for negotiations even though it tarnished our international reputation. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 14:16:00 GMT
Oh smashing So it's Cake and Haddock We want to go further though which is good. Obviously we can't join EFTA though because "This is based on common rules and equal conditions of competition and provides for the adequate means of enforcement at the judicial level" Ha ha ha, those nasty to EFTA types, taking away our Sovereignty, the swines. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 8, 2020 14:52:26 GMT
We may well have to take a hit in some areas before we can steam ahead. That's an outcome of the referendum vote I'm afraid. Let's hope a deal is done this week, for their and our sakes.  Steam ahead ...... very clever 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 15:28:55 GMT
We may well have to take a hit in some areas before we can steam ahead. That's an outcome of the referendum vote I'm afraid. Let's hope a deal is done this week, for their and our sakes.  Steam ahead ...... very clever 🙄 Without a rudder?🤔 |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 8, 2020 15:45:24 GMT
NEW: INEOS owned by billionaire Brexit backer Jim Ratcliffe officially end plan to build new Grenadier car in UK in Bridgend will be built in Hambach, in France, it announces...
Winning 🇬🇧!
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Post by yattongas on Dec 8, 2020 15:54:05 GMT
“Today’s announcement from @ineos will deliver hundreds of new jobs in Bridgend and is a vote of confidence in UK expertise, making sure we keep our status as a pioneer in new vehicle technologies." – PM @borisjohnson
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Post by peterparker on Dec 8, 2020 15:56:27 GMT
NEW: INEOS owned by billionaire Brexit backer Jim Ratcliffe officially end plan to build new Grenadier car in UK in Bridgend will be built in Hambach, in France, it announces... Winning 🇬🇧! Additionally the site’s location on the French-German border, only 200km from Stuttgart, gives excellent access to supply chains, automotive talent and target markets. Manufacturing at Hambach ensures that INEOS remains on track to meet its plans to deliver the Grenadier to customers in early 2022. Under the terms of the acquisition, Mercedes-Benz will contract INEOS to continue to produce the smart EQ fortwo and some Mercedes-Benz components at Hambach. When combined with INEOS's plans for the Grenadier, this translates into some 1,300 jobs at Hambach, including commitments to onsite suppliers. |
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