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Post by yattongas on Dec 8, 2020 15:59:49 GMT
NEW: INEOS owned by billionaire Brexit backer Jim Ratcliffe officially end plan to build new Grenadier car in UK in Bridgend will be built in Hambach, in France, it announces... Winning 🇬🇧! Additionally the site’s location on the French-German border, only 200km from Stuttgart, gives excellent access to supply chains, automotive talent and target markets. Manufacturing at Hambach ensures that INEOS remains on track to meet its plans to deliver the Grenadier to customers in early 2022. Under the terms of the acquisition, Mercedes-Benz will contract INEOS to continue to produce the smart EQ fortwo and some Mercedes-Benz components at Hambach. When combined with INEOS's plans for the Grenadier, this translates into some 1,300 jobs at Hambach, including commitments to onsite suppliers. Just waiting for oldgas to school us on how this is a great win for global Britain ..... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:12:28 GMT
Additionally the site’s location on the French-German border, only 200km from Stuttgart, gives excellent access to supply chains, automotive talent and target markets. Manufacturing at Hambach ensures that INEOS remains on track to meet its plans to deliver the Grenadier to customers in early 2022. Under the terms of the acquisition, Mercedes-Benz will contract INEOS to continue to produce the smart EQ fortwo and some Mercedes-Benz components at Hambach. When combined with INEOS's plans for the Grenadier, this translates into some 1,300 jobs at Hambach, including commitments to onsite suppliers. Just waiting for oldgas to school us on how this is a great win for global Britain ..... Give him a day or two to read some government propaganda on the issue. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 9, 2020 11:25:17 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 9, 2020 14:42:42 GMT
From what I have read we seem to be stuck on one fundamental point, that of future divergences.
At the moment we are aligned with standards, etc and Boris Johnson seems okay with a non regression agreement. So today we could agree zero tariffs and quotas.
It's going forward that is the problem. If the EU enhances its standards on labour, environment and so on, we either do too or by definition no longer comply so will then have tariffs coming into play.
Difficult to square that problem whilst retaining the political aspects involved.
Still things to negotiate but I can see Boris Johnson walking away.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 9, 2020 14:53:16 GMT
From what I have read we seem to be stuck on one fundamental point, that of future divergences. At the moment we are aligned with standards, etc and Boris Johnson seems okay with a non regression agreement. So today we could agree zero tariffs and quotas. It's going forward that is the problem. If the EU enhances its standards on labour, environment and so on, we either do too or by definition no longer comply so will then have tariffs coming into play. Difficult to square that problem whilst retaining the political aspects involved. Still things to negotiate but I can see Boris Johnson walking away. Whilst I’m not sure a no deal is ever worth it, I’m actually with Boris on this one. We can agree to stick to the minimum of standards now, but to follow the EU forever seems a stupid idea - although it would probably benefit us. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 9, 2020 15:00:20 GMT
Not long to wait for the big Boris buckle ...... 🍿
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 9, 2020 15:18:32 GMT
From what I have read we seem to be stuck on one fundamental point, that of future divergences. At the moment we are aligned with standards, etc and Boris Johnson seems okay with a non regression agreement. So today we could agree zero tariffs and quotas. It's going forward that is the problem. If the EU enhances its standards on labour, environment and so on, we either do too or by definition no longer comply so will then have tariffs coming into play. Difficult to square that problem whilst retaining the political aspects involved. Still things to negotiate but I can see Boris Johnson walking away. Whilst I’m not sure a no deal is ever worth it, I’m actually with Boris on this one. We can agree to stick to the minimum of standards now, but to follow the EU forever seems a stupid idea - although it would probably benefit us. Makes it easier to rejoin in 2030 🙈🙉🙊 |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 9, 2020 15:37:39 GMT
From what I have read we seem to be stuck on one fundamental point, that of future divergences. At the moment we are aligned with standards, etc and Boris Johnson seems okay with a non regression agreement. So today we could agree zero tariffs and quotas. It's going forward that is the problem. If the EU enhances its standards on labour, environment and so on, we either do too or by definition no longer comply so will then have tariffs coming into play. Difficult to square that problem whilst retaining the political aspects involved. Still things to negotiate but I can see Boris Johnson walking away. Whilst I’m not sure a no deal is ever worth it, I’m actually with Boris on this one. We can agree to stick to the minimum of standards now, but to follow the EU forever seems a stupid idea - although it would probably benefit us. but it's not a shock (or shouldn't be) to Boris and co This is and always was going to be one of the problems. Standards and regs are fine now, it's if and when we diverge later on. Just something else people were saying years ago |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 9, 2020 15:49:40 GMT
Whilst I’m not sure a no deal is ever worth it, I’m actually with Boris on this one. We can agree to stick to the minimum of standards now, but to follow the EU forever seems a stupid idea - although it would probably benefit us. but it's not a shock (or shouldn't be) to Boris and co This is and always was going to be one of the problems. Standards and regs are fine now, it's if and when we diverge later on. Just something else people were saying years ago Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. For me, I agree with the EU not wanting us to lower our standards - the fact that we might actually consider it is concerning. But if the EU change theirs in 20 years time, I don't think we should be forced to change with them, so long as we stay to the minimum that they are now. I don't think thats unreasonable for either parties? |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 9, 2020 15:58:42 GMT
but it's not a shock (or shouldn't be) to Boris and co This is and always was going to be one of the problems. Standards and regs are fine now, it's if and when we diverge later on. Just something else people were saying years ago Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. For me, I agree with the EU not wanting us to lower our standards - the fact that we might actually consider it is concerning. But if the EU change theirs in 20 years time, I don't think we should be forced to change with them, so long as we stay to the minimum that they are now. I don't think thats unreasonable for either parties? True, but this is the level playing field argument and the EU not wanting to be undercut in the future. Perhaps the agreement is that it is reviewed every x period. not sure what the answer is |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 9, 2020 16:28:11 GMT
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. For me, I agree with the EU not wanting us to lower our standards - the fact that we might actually consider it is concerning. But if the EU change theirs in 20 years time, I don't think we should be forced to change with them, so long as we stay to the minimum that they are now. I don't think thats unreasonable for either parties? True, but this is the level playing field argument and the EU not wanting to be undercut in the future. Perhaps the agreement is that it is reviewed every x period. not sure what the answer is Politicians tend to kick decisions into the long grass when it suits, maybe we say we agree to keep existing standards but will choose at the time of any changes whether to accept or diverge. All international agreements, be they trade deals or political associations, are a trade off between losing some sovereignty and gaining some benefits. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 9, 2020 16:31:21 GMT
but it's not a shock (or shouldn't be) to Boris and co This is and always was going to be one of the problems. Standards and regs are fine now, it's if and when we diverge later on. Just something else people were saying years ago Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. For me, I agree with the EU not wanting us to lower our standards - the fact that we might actually consider it is concerning. But if the EU change theirs in 20 years time, I don't think we should be forced to change with them, so long as we stay to the minimum that they are now. I don't think thats unreasonable for either parties? As long as we want to trade with them we’ll have to meet their standards ..... or we don’t and we strike up deals with other markets 1000s of miles away . It all makes sense to the brexiteers and no sense to anyone with a brain . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 17:14:37 GMT
Additionally the site’s location on the French-German border, only 200km from Stuttgart, gives excellent access to supply chains, automotive talent and target markets. Manufacturing at Hambach ensures that INEOS remains on track to meet its plans to deliver the Grenadier to customers in early 2022. Under the terms of the acquisition, Mercedes-Benz will contract INEOS to continue to produce the smart EQ fortwo and some Mercedes-Benz components at Hambach. When combined with INEOS's plans for the Grenadier, this translates into some 1,300 jobs at Hambach, including commitments to onsite suppliers. Just waiting for oldgas to school us on how this is a great win for global Britain ..... I hope oldgas calls him out for being a traitor. Backs Brexit and then takes his business away when it finally happens. Disgraceful. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 19:39:20 GMT
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. For me, I agree with the EU not wanting us to lower our standards - the fact that we might actually consider it is concerning. But if the EU change theirs in 20 years time, I don't think we should be forced to change with them, so long as we stay to the minimum that they are now. I don't think thats unreasonable for either parties? As long as we want to trade with them we’ll have to meet their standards ..... or we don’t and we strike up deals with other markets 1000s of miles away . It all makes sense to the brexiteers and no sense to anyone with a brain . Fell about laughing when I heard the fudge over Northern Ireland and the border issue. So they remain in the EU for trading purposes until April. Then, ummmmmm They don't know. Jesus Christ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 19:43:05 GMT
Just waiting for oldgas to school us on how this is a great win for global Britain ..... I hope oldgas calls him out for being a traitor. Backs Brexit and then takes his business away when it finally happens. Disgraceful. Personally I have no problem with Ineos building whatever and wherever they like, within the law. What is side splitting hilarious is the reason why they chose to do so in France. Why they did is exactly why we voted remain. It adds up. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 22:08:14 GMT
I hope oldgas calls him out for being a traitor. Backs Brexit and then takes his business away when it finally happens. Disgraceful. Personally I have no problem with Ineos building whatever and wherever they like, within the law. What is side splitting hilarious is the reason why they chose to do so in France. Why they did is exactly why we voted remain. It adds up. But that’s it- it’s the same as those who have taken advantage of free movement voting to restrict it, this guy will benefit from remaining in the EU yet he thinks coming out of it is good enough for the rest of us. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 9, 2020 22:39:57 GMT
From the Beeb:
"Discussions between Johnson and von der Leyen don't seem to have gone as well as some may have hoped.
A senior source from No 10 said the leaders had a "frank discussion about the significant obstacles which remain in the negotiations".
But despite three hours together, "very large gaps remain between the two sides and it is still unclear whether these can be bridged".
The source said there would be discussions over the next few days between UK and EU negotiating teams and the PM "does not want to leave any route to a possible deal untested".
They added the pair agreed "a firm decision should be taken about the future of the talks" by Sunday."
Winding down the clock?
By the way, if anyone is interested, it was seafood on the menu. Someone has a sense of humour.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 9, 2020 23:21:58 GMT
There will be a deal ..... a sh** deal but Boris will buckle .
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Post by peterparker on Dec 10, 2020 7:37:08 GMT
From the Beeb: "Discussions between Johnson and von der Leyen don't seem to have gone as well as some may have hoped. A senior source from No 10 said the leaders had a "frank discussion about the significant obstacles which remain in the negotiations". But despite three hours together, "very large gaps remain between the two sides and it is still unclear whether these can be bridged". The source said there would be discussions over the next few days between UK and EU negotiating teams and the PM "does not want to leave any route to a possible deal untested". They added the pair agreed "a firm decision should be taken about the future of the talks" by Sunday." Winding down the clock? By the way, if anyone is interested, it was seafood on the menu. Someone has a sense of humour. So Boris has fone to intervene and arguably made it worse |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 10, 2020 7:53:54 GMT
From the Beeb: "Discussions between Johnson and von der Leyen don't seem to have gone as well as some may have hoped. A senior source from No 10 said the leaders had a "frank discussion about the significant obstacles which remain in the negotiations". But despite three hours together, "very large gaps remain between the two sides and it is still unclear whether these can be bridged". The source said there would be discussions over the next few days between UK and EU negotiating teams and the PM "does not want to leave any route to a possible deal untested". They added the pair agreed "a firm decision should be taken about the future of the talks" by Sunday." Winding down the clock? By the way, if anyone is interested, it was seafood on the menu. Someone has a sense of humour. So Boris has fone to intervene and arguably made it worse I don't see how he's made it worse,what you mean is he didn't capitulate. In the end the UK and EU have different principles which neither side are prepared to water down. |
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