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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 22, 2018 19:53:09 GMT
He’s got the build for it but I feel he’s never been given a decent run in the side other than last season just before Craig arrived when we picked up some really good points and he was playing very well. Center half’s are like forwards you can’t play them once every four games and expect to see the best of them in that game. It’s a tough one because you would think Craig’s experience is a valid point for selecting him each week and that’s obviously one of the attributes DC signed him for but if I’m honest I just don’t think he’s that good anymore. Not saying he’s not bothered or a journeyman because he’s clearly not he’s very professional and perhaps a couple of years ago he could have been that commanding Center half we need to play alongside Lockyer If we were still in the conference or league 2 he’d be another McCrystal but this is league 1. I guess ideally we sign a 6,3 commanding Center back with experience who’s in his late 20s and his legs haven’t gone but that won’t come cheap unless DC unearths another gem from the lower leagues in January we’ll keep conceding messy goals. As you rightly say the player we need won't come cheaply and in the present climate I can't see the owners backing DC to go out & get one anyway. DC highlighted a lack of experience before he signed Craig so I'm sure that plays a big part in his selection over Broadbent. I haven't seen enough of the young centre backs we have to know if they could potentially be an option but Meyenese impressed when he's played & seems to have done ok at Swindon and the fact Kilgour has been given a new deal despite missing a major part of last season with injury must mean they see something in him. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2018 19:59:33 GMT
If we were still in the conference or league 2 he’d be another McCrystal but this is league 1. I guess ideally we sign a 6,3 commanding Center back with experience who’s in his late 20s and his legs haven’t gone but that won’t come cheap unless DC unearths another gem from the lower leagues in January we’ll keep conceding messy goals. As you rightly say the player we need won't come cheaply and in the present climate I can't see the owners backing DC to go out & get one anyway. DC highlighted a lack of experience before he signed Craig so I'm sure that plays a big part in his selection over Broadbent. I haven't seen enough of the young centre backs we have to know if they could potentially be an option but Meyenese impressed when he's played & seems to have done ok at Swindon and the fact Kilgour has been given a new deal despite missing a major part of last season with injury must mean they see something in him. Good points about the youngsters, who knows by the end of the season Kilgour might be a regular , Kelly has done it so why not. Good work by DC , Hargreaves the board etc with the youth set up. It’s more professional than I ever remember it being in my time and one of thethings that seem to be forgotten when the “ this boards destroying our club “ brigade come on here. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 22, 2018 20:00:34 GMT
My dad, who got me into all this nonsense, passed away last week. I like to think today was for him. Certainly made us all smile again! Goodnight Irene  There is nothing I can say that will ease your pain right now, but it’s lovely how your football team will be able to stir so many memories for you. I’m raising a glass as I type in honour. Love to all your family. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 22, 2018 20:01:25 GMT
I’m not a Nichols fan, at all, and today he did his usual, run about, attempt to head a few balls and miss, get knocked about and didn’t create anything. I don’t think he even had a shot himself, but somehow, Payne was even worse when he came on. He looked so unfit, didn’t chase anything, didn’t jump for anything. Both were terrible, just Nichols wasn’t so terrible as usual. Who created the first goal..... i give you one guess |
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Post by axegas on Sept 22, 2018 20:05:07 GMT
Problem is he’s not Vigil Van Dyke. He gets way too much stick. He's not even Dick Van Dyke. Well, some of his defending is laughable at times. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 22, 2018 20:05:12 GMT
I’m not a Nichols fan, at all, and today he did his usual, run about, attempt to head a few balls and miss, get knocked about and didn’t create anything. I don’t think he even had a shot himself, but somehow, Payne was even worse when he came on. He looked so unfit, didn’t chase anything, didn’t jump for anything. Both were terrible, just Nichols wasn’t so terrible as usual. Who created the first goal..... i give you one guess Coventry |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 22, 2018 20:05:50 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with that but without that dominating centre back that wants to attack everything I'm not sure we have a better option. Broadbent has the benefit of height over the others but I still don't see him as that kind of centre half. He’s got the build for it but I feel he’s never been given a decent run in the side other than last season just before Craig arrived when we picked up some really good points and he was playing very well. Center half’s are like forwards you can’t play them once every four games and expect to see the best of them in that game. It’s a tough one because you would think Craig’s experience is a valid point for selecting him each week and that’s obviously one of the attributes DC signed him for but if I’m honest I just don’t think he’s that good anymore. Not saying he’s not bothered or a journeyman because he’s clearly not he’s very professional and perhaps a couple of years ago he could have been that commanding Center half we need to play alongside Lockyer Sometimes it’s having the humility to accept that your body refuses to do what the brain thinks it can. Look at Mansell, bowed out at the top after a bit part season in L1 where he recognised that he couldn’t keep pace, his body was unable to cope and he didn’t have the ability anymore to compete at the level the club was at. I see nothing in the armoury of experience the Craig has that improves us as a team. We need a big presence in that back line to assist Lockyer and quite frankly, Craig is all mouth and no action anymore. Outjumped, outrun and out battled 90% of the time. Craig needs to drop down a league or 2 if he wants to prolong his playing career or start to look towards coaching at a higher league club to earn his stripes. |
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 22, 2018 20:06:27 GMT
I’m not a Nichols fan, at all, and today he did his usual, run about, attempt to head a few balls and miss, get knocked about and didn’t create anything. I don’t think he even had a shot himself, but somehow, Payne was even worse when he came on. He looked so unfit, didn’t chase anything, didn’t jump for anything. Both were terrible, just Nichols wasn’t so terrible as usual. Who created the first goal..... i give you one guess Does it rhyme with pickles 😂 |
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Post by axegas on Sept 22, 2018 20:06:37 GMT
My dad, who got me into all this nonsense, passed away last week. I like to think today was for him. Certainly made us all smile again! Goodnight Irene So sorry to hear that mate, I know how it feels. Glad the gas were able to put a smile on your face today. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2018 20:08:16 GMT
We are in desperate need of some height in our squad. Coventry has so many free headers today it was unreal. Tony Craig just doesn’t jump either. Even a win today does not hide the fact that against a decent set of strikers we could’ve had a different result. Yeah could have been a goal down early on for sure. Even at 3-0 I was thinking maybe we weren’t going to win and we might need four. That’s a sign of a supporter who doesn’t trust his defence and judging by the atmosphere in the ground I wasn’t the only one. |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2018 20:08:36 GMT
My dad, who got me into all this nonsense, passed away last week. I like to think today was for him. Certainly made us all smile again! Goodnight Irene Good luck to you and the family. Family always comes first, second and third but football can be the glue that keeps it together. Hope the next few weeks are as good as they can be. UTG! |
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2018 20:09:07 GMT
Who created the first goal..... i give you one guess Coventry That goal was even worse defending than we’ve seen from us this season. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 22, 2018 20:09:38 GMT
I’m not a Nichols fan, at all, and today he did his usual, run about, attempt to head a few balls and miss, get knocked about and didn’t create anything. I don’t think he even had a shot himself, but somehow, Payne was even worse when he came on. He looked so unfit, didn’t chase anything, didn’t jump for anything. Both were terrible, just Nichols wasn’t so terrible as usual. Who created the first goal..... i give you one guess Give over HG, Bonhams goal kick and Coventrys defender did more in the build up to Reilly outmuscling the defender than the ball flicking the quiff of Nichols love island haircut as it sailed past him. I’m all for giving credit where it’s due but that’s as loose as you can get. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2018 20:13:18 GMT
Who created the first goal..... i give you one guess Coventry That goal was even worse defending than we’ve seen from us this season. Our second was like our defending from crosses - water poor and although Ollys strike was great the keeper got both hands to it but not enough strength or push in his dive. If I was a Coventry fan I’d be even more worried about their defence than we are about ours after today . |
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Post by spiess1 on Sept 22, 2018 20:21:07 GMT
out of nowhere we end up going in at half time with a 3-0 lead. That's why some don't trust your recommendations of 'good' players. |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2018 20:22:51 GMT
I don't get the continual criticism of Craig it seems to me every chance the opposition create he's in some way to blame. There are all sorts of reasons why goals are conceded its not always the fault of one player. Leaving the West Ham game aside we've conceded 3 goals in 4 games granted having a keeper who is happy to come & collect crosses is a big part of that but I don't think we should underestimate the importance of his experience. I would wager if you asked Kelly if having Craig next to him is a help he'd say yes. the way I see it with Craig and Lockyer is that they’re both average league 1 defenders and that sounds fine because Toms still young and will hopefully improve and Craig is very experienced . But together as a partnership they just don’t work and I can’t remember a game when they’ve played well together and we’ve kept a clean sheet. Normally when Toms away on international duty we keep a clean sheet or at least seem less shakey and although Craig’s experience is no doubt an important attribute I think he’s too reactive to situations rather than attacking the ball particullaryin the air , probably because of his body more than his mind and Lockyer works better as a covering defender too so we haven’t got the big commanding Center half needed in a partnership. The kind that shouts his name moves forward and attacks-the ball from crosses whilst the covering defender ( ideally locks covers the gaps or any runners). Basically what I’m saying is I think they’re both good enough footballers for our level but together they’re shakey as hell.Agree. They are both good enough but as a partnership it doesn’t seem the strongest. But with all the criticism that our defence is receiving its surprising that of all the teams on 8 points we have the best goal difference and have let 11 goals in which is the same as Posh who are top. All the goals we concede seem to come the same way, a cross into the middle and headed home. Cut that out and.... who knows. About the defence generally, Kelly has played well, seems composed on the ball, good levels of skill and can cross a ball ( though more accuracy is needed to avoid over hitting the ball). James Clarke never lets us down and we’ve Joe P ready to come back in. So although we need to stop conceding “easy” goals I don’t think it’s as bad as it was a few weeks ago. I reckon DC and his team have been doing a lot of defensive work and it’s beginning to show. Well done everyone for the win today, should make next week a lot better! UTG! |
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2018 20:30:35 GMT
He’s got the build for it but I feel he’s never been given a decent run in the side other than last season just before Craig arrived when we picked up some really good points and he was playing very well. Center half’s are like forwards you can’t play them once every four games and expect to see the best of them in that game. It’s a tough one because you would think Craig’s experience is a valid point for selecting him each week and that’s obviously one of the attributes DC signed him for but if I’m honest I just don’t think he’s that good anymore. Not saying he’s not bothered or a journeyman because he’s clearly not he’s very professional and perhaps a couple of years ago he could have been that commanding Center half we need to play alongside Lockyer Sometimes it’s having the humility to accept that your body refuses to do what the brain thinks it can. Look at Mansell, bowed out at the top after a bit part season in L1 where he recognised that he couldn’t keep pace, his body was unable to cope and he didn’t have the ability anymore to compete at the level the club was at. I see nothing in the armoury of experience the Craig has that improves us as a team. We need a big presence in that back line to assist Lockyer and quite frankly, Craig is all mouth and no action anymore. Outjumped, outrun and out battled 90% of the time. Craig needs to drop down a league or 2 if he wants to prolong his playing career or start to look towards coaching at a higher league club to earn his stripes. Can’t argue with that . Good for the club due to experience Not so good for the defence due to his legs and not being right kind of partner for Lockyer. Perhaps a future defensive coach ? Probably already does a fair bit without him even having the title because experienced captains like him pass on their experience through advice every day in training and matches. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 21:33:29 GMT
Still the best central defensive partnership we have. By far.
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2018 21:48:04 GMT
Still the best central defensive partnership we have. By far. The only defensive partnership that’s been tried for any length of time too. Which proves my point. |
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Post by Gassy on Sept 22, 2018 22:23:53 GMT
We have to sign Bonham at all costs in the summer
What a keeper!
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