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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 12:33:19 GMT
I guess Nobby that depends on your starting position. From the centre, he is a ranting, economically illiterate, social fascist and right wing loony
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Post by pirate on Sept 27, 2018 14:49:48 GMT
Pirate - But it all boils down to this one very important question. Between 1948 (creation of the Israeli state) and 1967, the Gaza Strip was owned/governed by the Egyptian's, and the West Bank was owned/governed by the Jordanian's. During this period of nineteen years, why was the Palestinian State not created by the Arabs themselves? 'The very foundation of Israel as an apartheid entity built on the mass graves of Palestinian civilians murdered by Israel’s pre-state militias was facilitated by the Jordanian monarchy and regime. The definitive book on this still-woefully neglected area of history is reputed to be Avi Shlaim’s 1988 Collusion Across the Jordan (later revised and abridged as The Politics of Partition). As Andrew and Leslie Cockburn summarise in their 1991 book about the history of the US-Israel military and intelligence alliance, Dangerous Liaison: “Despite the traditional perception that all Arab countries united to crush Israel at birth, King Abdullah of Jordan [the present King’s grandfather] was by no means unalterably opposed to the Jewish state. In fact, secret negotiations with the king, involving [future first Mossad chief Reuven] Shiloah, [General] Moshe Dayan, and others in [first Prime Minister David] Ben-Gurion’s inner circle, resulted in a secret agreement, lubricated by bribes.” This corrupt agreement stipulated that, “Abdullah would collude with Israel in order to ensure that the independent Palestinian state envisaged by the United Nations would never come into being. Instead, with Israeli assent and encouragement, Abdullah seized Arab Palestine in defiance of his fellow Arab rulers and ruled it as the West Bank.” www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180210-there-is-still-collusion-across-the-river-jordan/amp/
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 27, 2018 21:54:00 GMT
May wearing a Frida Kahlo bracelet is like a Gashead wearing a Lee Johnson bracelet.
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Post by jaggas on Oct 10, 2018 18:28:08 GMT
You are so out of touch and clueless.....Farage isn`t anywhere near being right wing hes barely centre right and is with the status quo as he speaks like May and Corbyn when it comes to Islam.....Interesting that a poll on leftie website huffington post has only 16% wanting to remain in the EU. If my views are diametrically opposite of yours then I find great comfort in being defined as out of touch and clueless. Any link with your repulsive viewpoints would be distressing in the extreme. Your views sure are opposite to mine....while you act like a pompous twat calling out racism and getting yourself all offended on behalf of your fellow muslims you continue to ignore Pirate and his anti Jewish posts and pictures and there are many of them on quite a few threads in this section of the forum......Maybe Islam never left you Les and your hatred of Jews is as obvious as Pirates or maybe like an out of touch pompous twat you are Jews are mainly white so there can be no racism or anti semitism against people you personally hate and wont stick up for with the same vigour you do muslims.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 19:16:41 GMT
If my views are diametrically opposite of yours then I find great comfort in being defined as out of touch and clueless. Any link with your repulsive viewpoints would be distressing in the extreme. Your views sure are opposite to mine....while you act like a pompous twat calling out racism and getting yourself all offended on behalf of your fellow muslims you continue to ignore Pirate and his anti Jewish posts and pictures and there are many of them on quite a few threads in this section of the forum......Maybe Islam never left you Les and your hatred of Jews is as obvious as Pirates or maybe like an out of touch pompous twat you are Jews are mainly white so there can be no racism or anti semitism against people you personally hate and wont stick up for with the same vigour you do muslims. I guess I could complain to the mods over this post. But let's not. Let's leave it here as evidence of ignorant, racist crap. Rubbish that exposes the very basis of the nasty nationalist right wing.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 10, 2018 19:43:01 GMT
Your views sure are opposite to mine....while you act like a pompous twat calling out racism and getting yourself all offended on behalf of your fellow muslims you continue to ignore Pirate and his anti Jewish posts and pictures and there are many of them on quite a few threads in this section of the forum......Maybe Islam never left you Les and your hatred of Jews is as obvious as Pirates or maybe like an out of touch pompous twat you are Jews are mainly white so there can be no racism or anti semitism against people you personally hate and wont stick up for with the same vigour you do muslims. I guess I could complain to the mods over this post. But let's not. Let's leave it here as evidence of ignorant, racist crap. Rubbish that exposes the very basis of the nasty nationalist right wing. Not to mention the appalling lack of punctuation. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 19:53:20 GMT
I guess I could complain to the mods over this post. But let's not. Let's leave it here as evidence of ignorant, racist crap. Rubbish that exposes the very basis of the nasty nationalist right wing. Not to mention the appalling lack of punctuation. 🙄 Educational deficit is another indicator.
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Post by aghast on Oct 10, 2018 21:06:45 GMT
Deliberately confusing anti Zionist and anti Jew is such a common thing at the moment. It's an easy target that the right have picked on to say: "Look! They don't like foreigners or other cultures either, but at least we admit it!"
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Post by jaggas on Oct 10, 2018 21:44:36 GMT
Look at you all........Calling out Jews is fine..Pirate is a good egg bless him, you are such a bunch of hypocrites.Racism is racism is it not?
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Post by pirate on Oct 10, 2018 22:00:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 7:39:59 GMT
It's about time one of the mods stepped in and put a stop to this religious bigotry. I am amazed it has been allowed to go on for so long. I am an Athiest by the way.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 11, 2018 9:08:07 GMT
It's about time one of the mods stepped in and put a stop to this religious bigotry. I am amazed it has been allowed to go on for so long. I am an Athiest by the way. As I understand it, General Chat is unmoderated. Whilst I don't envy the mods, I agree that sometimes things go too far and some appear to be bordering paranoid. I'm torn between ignoring and challenging them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 9:17:14 GMT
It's about time one of the mods stepped in and put a stop to this religious bigotry. I am amazed it has been allowed to go on for so long. I am an Athiest by the way. As I understand it, General Chat is unmoderated. Whilst I don't envy the mods, I agree that sometimes things go too far and some appear to be bordering paranoid. I'm torn between ignoring and challenging them. Ditto. Pirate is treading a thin line. Can we move on please from this anti Israel / Judaism tirade?
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Post by pirate on Oct 11, 2018 9:21:02 GMT
It's about time one of the mods stepped in and put a stop to this religious bigotry. I am amazed it has been allowed to go on for so long. I am an Athiest by the way. Pointing out religious bigotry, hatred and supremacism is now considered "religious bigotry" itself? Funny old world.
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Post by pirate on Oct 11, 2018 9:24:36 GMT
As I understand it, General Chat is unmoderated. Whilst I don't envy the mods, I agree that sometimes things go too far and some appear to be bordering paranoid. I'm torn between ignoring and challenging them. Ditto. Pirate is treading a thin line. Can we move on please from this anti Israel / Judaism tirade? Will do.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 11, 2018 10:53:46 GMT
I do worry sometimes. On places like Sky News we constantly have reports on the 'rise of the Right across Europe', yet for me, the 'rise of the Left' in the UK is equally as frightening. Why do the Communists get an easy ride from the press. They really are dangerous. In the meantime, the Conference is Comedy Gold...... What in the name of everything Holy............. They get an easy ride from the press, as they control the press.Thats the lefies that is. They could spin a tornado... If you defended your own country,or even race then straight away you are branded a racist, nazi or being far right. Eg Tommy Robinson. You come at them if facts and try to debate them then they go back to there far right card.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 11, 2018 10:55:32 GMT
Your answer to number 2 makes little sense as when Labour last got in one of the first things they did was scrap prp (profit related pay) which cost me over a grand tax free every year a bonus that went a long way to paying for our summer holiday that with ramping up NI so it was almost on a par with PAYE tax and the fuel hikes after the first year of New Labour I was over 4k worse off than I was under the tories. I wonder who created the New Labour project. The far left get away with it as they always try to grab the moral highground in someway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 12:27:18 GMT
I do worry sometimes. On places like Sky News we constantly have reports on the 'rise of the Right across Europe', yet for me, the 'rise of the Left' in the UK is equally as frightening. Why do the Communists get an easy ride from the press. They really are dangerous. In the meantime, the Conference is Comedy Gold...... What in the name of everything Holy............. They get an easy ride from the press, as they control the press.Thats the lefies that is. They could spin a tornado... If you defended your own country,or even race then straight away you are branded a racist, nazi or being far right. Eg Tommy Robinson. You come at them if facts and try to debate them then they go back to there far right card. What's my race??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 14:46:05 GMT
They get an easy ride from the press, as they control the press.Thats the lefies that is. They could spin a tornado... If you defended your own country,or even race then straight away you are branded a racist, nazi or being far right. Eg Tommy Robinson. You come at them if facts and try to debate them then they go back to there far right card. What's my race?? Egg and spoon??
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Post by irene on Oct 11, 2018 15:03:33 GMT
Ah jaggas here you are you didn’t respond to my last post on the Luton thread
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