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Post by South Stand Ultra on Oct 7, 2018 14:19:25 GMT
Just interest? A few weeks back all the ITKers were suggesting all was done and dusted to be announced in October Appreciate the month’s just started but seems a bit of a difference between interest and a done deal Pretty sure only one person said October, i said a takeovers going through
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Post by lpgas on Oct 7, 2018 14:29:19 GMT
at a recent do with Ollie he categorically stated he would not manage Rovers while the current ownership continues. That's the problem with this club, always looking backwards. What did Holloway do? Get us promoted? No, he just left us in a mountain of debt. He's in the past, leave him there
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Post by lpgas on Oct 7, 2018 14:30:59 GMT
The whole team looks demotivated. I firmly believe that this is down to the fact that the BoD have promised all this revolution rubbish and are clearly not delivering. DC has probably sold the club to some of the players saying they will be in a new training facility and ground blah blah blah. Now, even the players are seeing the BS that is being fed from the top down. Ollie won't come back be he is only any good when he has vast amounts of cash at his disposal. Plus, I don't want him back as I don't think he would do any better. We need clarity from the owners and that is something I dont think we will ever get They said EVOLUTION not revolution, but it is a revolution we need
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2018 14:48:02 GMT
First of all, thanks to op for starting off a thread which I think has been coming for a while to host sensible debate, even though the op is in itself something I disagree with at this moment in time. I'm DC in. At the moment. Socrates and Gas 1970 sum it up nicely earlier on, for me. I'm hoping I'm a typical GasHead, which generally means incredibly loyal and rewarding of what I perceive as hard workers. DC has earned that trust. But it's not unconditional, and in the turmoil of board infrastructure, I think at this moment it's important to maintain a stability of the management team and support with unity. If, by start of December we are in relegation zone, I will recalibrate and re-evaluate as I'm sure many of you will do too. If we are to get rid, December would be a prudent time to do so, but for now I'm supportive as much as I despair sometimes at team and formation selection. UptheGas! For me, DC should stay even if we go down. I'd still trust him more than any other to get us back into L1 at the first attempt.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 7, 2018 15:11:36 GMT
First of all, thanks to op for starting off a thread which I think has been coming for a while to host sensible debate, even though the op is in itself something I disagree with at this moment in time. I'm DC in. At the moment. Socrates and Gas 1970 sum it up nicely earlier on, for me. I'm hoping I'm a typical GasHead, which generally means incredibly loyal and rewarding of what I perceive as hard workers. DC has earned that trust. But it's not unconditional, and in the turmoil of board infrastructure, I think at this moment it's important to maintain a stability of the management team and support with unity. If, by start of December we are in relegation zone, I will recalibrate and re-evaluate as I'm sure many of you will do too. If we are to get rid, December would be a prudent time to do so, but for now I'm supportive as much as I despair sometimes at team and formation selection. UptheGas! For me, DC should stay even if we go down. I'd still trust him more than any other to get us back into L1 at the first attempt. Ok, cool....this is what i mean, engagement. It's great to hear all sides of a point in debate....out of interest, where would you draw the line at a DC dismissal if you were in charge?
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Post by aforce on Oct 7, 2018 15:48:00 GMT
First of all, thanks to op for starting off a thread which I think has been coming for a while to host sensible debate, even though the op is in itself something I disagree with at this moment in time. I'm DC in. At the moment. Socrates and Gas 1970 sum it up nicely earlier on, for me. I'm hoping I'm a typical GasHead, which generally means incredibly loyal and rewarding of what I perceive as hard workers. DC has earned that trust. But it's not unconditional, and in the turmoil of board infrastructure, I think at this moment it's important to maintain a stability of the management team and support with unity. If, by start of December we are in relegation zone, I will recalibrate and re-evaluate as I'm sure many of you will do too. If we are to get rid, December would be a prudent time to do so, but for now I'm supportive as much as I despair sometimes at team and formation selection. UptheGas! For me, DC should stay even if we go down. I'd still trust him more than any other to get us back into L1 at the first attempt. I would rather we done something before getting relegated. And the longer it gets left the harder it becomes. We need a manager with contacts in this league, dc got us out the conference because he had a great knowledge of players for that level for example Matt Taylor and Stuart Sinclair.
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Post by socrates on Oct 7, 2018 15:49:58 GMT
At least the sh** lost. I don’t think I could have coped if they’d won today.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2018 16:20:41 GMT
For me, DC should stay even if we go down. I'd still trust him more than any other to get us back into L1 at the first attempt. Ok, cool....this is what i mean, engagement. It's great to hear all sides of a point in debate....out of interest, where would you draw the line at a DC dismissal if you were in charge? Good question! To be honest I think it would depend on how well he is backed for a Promotion push if we were to go down. If we were to be really struggling in L2 despite having what looked like a top 3 or top 7 squad, I'd be concerned if he was the man to take us back up. However I obviously hope it doesn't come to that. Thing is in my opinion something like the season we're having was always inevitable without significant investment into the squad. Momentum is really important in football and not only have we seen it run out eventually under PT/LL, we're seeing it run out now, and it's about stopping the downward trend in it's tracks which is not easy. How many other times in history have other promoted sides done well in the season or 2 afterwards, only to eventually slide back down. We're not the only ones by any stretch, it's normal. What we need to try to do though is what so many others fail to, and that's continue to back the manager and not to panic. We need stability to get back on track. After LL and then PT went, we went through a period of total disaster until DC eventually got us our old club back. I do not want to see that happen again.
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Post by syg on Oct 7, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
No way should DC stay if we go down,I could see the argument if he had taken charge mid season, but its his team, his tactics, his coaching, whatever th
e limitations around him he would be the most culpable. As it is I don't think we are going anywhere and it will be an interesting few months. On the day when yet again I fail to get glasto tickets, and feel Ill, at least city lost.
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Post by toddy1953 on Oct 7, 2018 16:48:22 GMT
Pains me to say. It’s like putting your pet dog down but the time has come he’s in pain. 0 goals in 3 games v sh** opp Just imagine if every club in the 4 top leagues used this as a yardstick to sack their manager
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Post by simon1883 on Oct 7, 2018 16:52:44 GMT
The whole team looks demotivated. I firmly believe that this is down to the fact that the BoD have promised all this revolution rubbish and are clearly not delivering. DC has probably sold the club to some of the players saying they will be in a new training facility and ground blah blah blah. Now, even the players are seeing the BS that is being fed from the top down. Ollie won't come back be he is only any good when he has vast amounts of cash at his disposal. Plus, I don't want him back as I don't think he would do any better. We need clarity from the owners and that is something I dont think we will ever get Evolution, wasn't it? Yeah Soz typo.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 7, 2018 19:04:21 GMT
at a recent do with Ollie he categorically stated he would not manage Rovers while the current ownership continues. That's the problem with this club, always looking backwards. What did Holloway do? Get us promoted? No, he just left us in a mountain of debt. He's in the past, leave him there So all the people on here that say DC should stay because of what he as achieved in the past is that not looking backwards , that is also in the past so judge him on this season
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:19:39 GMT
For me, DC should stay even if we go down. I'd still trust him more than any other to get us back into L1 at the first attempt. I would rather we done something before getting relegated. And the longer it gets left the harder it becomes. We need a manager with contacts in this league, dc got us out the conference because he had a great knowledge of players for that level for example Matt Taylor and Stuart Sinclair. Someone who can get those proven league one players in you mean? You know like upson,payne,craig and rodman.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:23:26 GMT
Four fantastic seasons and 12 bad games and people want the manager out.
Before anyone says last season wasnt fantastic i would say by bristol rovers standards this century last season was brilliant.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2018 19:29:43 GMT
That's the problem with this club, always looking backwards. What did Holloway do? Get us promoted? No, he just left us in a mountain of debt. He's in the past, leave him there So all the people on here that say DC should stay because of what he as achieved in the past is that not looking backwards , that is also in the past so judge him on this season Sorry but that's an incredibly short-sighted way of viewing things. It really isn't that simple (in my opinion). What resources has he got to play with in comparison to other teams in L1? Get some perspective for crying out loud.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:58:13 GMT
First of all, thanks to op for starting off a thread which I think has been coming for a while to host sensible debate, even though the op is in itself something I disagree with at this moment in time. I'm DC in. At the moment. Socrates and Gas 1970 sum it up nicely earlier on, for me. I'm hoping I'm a typical GasHead, which generally means incredibly loyal and rewarding of what I perceive as hard workers. DC has earned that trust. But it's not unconditional, and in the turmoil of board infrastructure, I think at this moment it's important to maintain a stability of the management team and support with unity. If, by start of December we are in relegation zone, I will recalibrate and re-evaluate as I'm sure many of you will do too. If we are to get rid, December would be a prudent time to do so, but for now I'm supportive as much as I despair sometimes at team and formation selection. UptheGas! For me, DC should stay even if we go down. I'd still trust him more than any other to get us back into L1 at the first attempt. Spot on. Ironically, if we were in Lge 2 we'd want someone with a trackrecord for getting out if it on a limited budget. Someone just like DC!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 20:09:39 GMT
Accepted, but he was never going to be Bodin's instant replacement. He's one for the future. Personally, I'd have liked him to have stayed with us to compete with Stefan Payne for the no9 spot. Even though he has played the majority of his career as a wide player? The times he has played through the middle he has scored 4 goals in 23 appearances, all in the National League. I was expecting more of an impact from him, but so far in the very limited game time he has had with us I haven't seen anything from him if I'm honest. And he obviously isn't doing enough to force himself into the Lincoln team in the league below either, albeit a good team top of the league. I just think that he showed some potential pre season in a central role. We also lack any competition for the Payne role. He may not be a central striker. It's early yet, but I'd be happy to see him given a go there to find out.
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Post by pirate on Oct 7, 2018 20:21:03 GMT
Even though he has played the majority of his career as a wide player? The times he has played through the middle he has scored 4 goals in 23 appearances, all in the National League. I was expecting more of an impact from him, but so far in the very limited game time he has had with us I haven't seen anything from him if I'm honest. And he obviously isn't doing enough to force himself into the Lincoln team in the league below either, albeit a good team top of the league. I just think that he showed some potential pre season in a central role. We also lack any competition for the Payne role. He may not be a central striker. It's early yet, but I'd be happy to see him given a go there to find out. I wouldn't mind him getting a few games in the Development Squad first to see how he performs.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 7, 2018 21:26:12 GMT
So all the people on here that say DC should stay because of what he as achieved in the past is that not looking backwards , that is also in the past so judge him on this season Sorry but that's an incredibly short-sighted way of viewing things. It really isn't that simple (in my opinion). What resources has he got to play with in comparison to other teams in L1? Get some perspective for crying out loud. It's the team he has built since becoming manager so that's what you judge him on I am sure there are teams in our div a lot worse off financially
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Post by aghast on Oct 7, 2018 21:35:42 GMT
Interesting comparisons between DC and Paul Trollope here.
We now seem to be in a similar position to the one PT found himself in during his fourth season in L1, and he was sacked before Christmas.
DC is in his third season in L1 and we are in a relegation position. PT managed an 11th place in his third season.
PT gave us one promotion, a Wembley final and an FA Cup quarter final.
DC has given us two promotions.
DC is a legend and must not be sacked even if we go down, according to some.
PT was useless after LL left and was ripe for sacking, according to some. In fact most posters seem to share this view.
My opinion is that owners and fans are far too quick to decide that managers should be sacked, without giving them a chance to turn things around.
I agree with the opinion that DC should not be sacked, even if we go down this season. He should be given the chance to prove he can get us promoted again, and if we do get relegated, I would not even think about replacing him until December 2109, and then only if we are clearly not going to get promoted.
I also think the Board were far too quick to sack PT. He had managed to get us a promotion and the other things I mentioned, and should not have been dumped in December 2010 when we had plenty of time to turn things around. It went well after he left, didn't it?
I just compare the two men and wonder why one is dismissed as a footnote and the other is a legend.
And I know many will say Lennie Lawrence was the man who made PT successful. But PT wasn't given the time to prove he could do it on his own.
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