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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 23:57:46 GMT
Swissgas, I have no idea who you are but I’ve read that you are someone who has been involved in running the club in the past and you seem very measured and knowledgeable. Your last post is therefore very worrying
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Post by justin blue on Nov 23, 2018 0:04:24 GMT
Steve Hamer has told us how it is, he is not lying when he says there is no takeover, not enough money for a training ground, if these things were going to happen then they would be happening and they clearly aren't. He didn't mention confidential clauses this evening but answered the questions unlike his boss, who promised so much and apart from the development squad has delivered next to nothing. S H told me in a letter four months before UWE collapsed that plan B was to stay at the Mem and improve its amenities which is what is happening, although we could do with a bit more than new tents. We are where we are and supporters need to get behind the club and team, in the hope that we can avoid relegation. Even if we stave off relegation it will only postpone the innevitable, putting up another eyesore tent is hardly an improvement and the bar refurbishment was probably blagged from Thatchers. Meanwhile the current structures are aging. SH finally fessing up and saying they won't be spending any money is no help and a few years too late.
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on Nov 23, 2018 0:27:21 GMT
One thing we can get almost immediate clarification on is his 'I think so' response to the question of whether DC is happy with the training ground situation. Ask the man himself on Saturday during his post-match interview. I can think of one or two reasons why he might not want to rock the boat by giving a negative answer - job security, mostly - but it would be interesting to hear how he claims to be content with having his players wandering around picking up dog mess before they can all start training.
No wonder a large part of the team can't summon the attitude of competent and respected professionals half the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 1:02:58 GMT
Call out the instigator, because there's bullshit in the air they gotta tell us sooner or later because gas aint going too far, And you know its right I used to like Procol Harem That wasn't Procol Harem
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 1:04:35 GMT
Well I've finally succumbed to the conclusion that our chance of greatness has come and gone. Our owners appear to have run out of Ideas have no plan and are doing the bare minimum needed to run a football club, if that, The whole fabric of this club is crumbling and unless there really is someone out there the future looks bleak. Succumb?? Blimey
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 1:08:14 GMT
"The costs of doing it have unfortunately accelerated way beyond what we initially thought the budget would be, but that's acceptable." Wow. It most certainly is NOT acceptable. They bought the club irresponsibly without knowing how to run it and how to fund it. Absolute embarrassments and if I were them then I'd find it very difficult to sleep at night and to look at myself in the mirror. I hope I never live to make as terrible judgement in business as they have done. I am sad it has come to this, as I do believe they're essentially nice people and they had honourable intentions I'm sure, but they have really really messed up and let tens of thousands of people down with their poor planning and ineptitude. Like you I should have difficulty sleeping at night if I had made promises which I could not keep and let down people who had trusted my word. But we must remember that not everyone thinks this way and that the wealthy are often skilled at making sure others pay for mistakes they have made. Throw in the fact that our owners are from a completely different business culture and I don't think we should rely on them (as we would perceive it) doing the right thing for Rovers. They will do whatever is right for themselves and if that entails selling the land at the Mem without first ensuring the club has a suitable place to play in the future then they may well do it. As any entrepreneurs would do. I have no idea why you bring this kind of judgement on their nationality, particularly given that you live in America, Franchise Central.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 1:22:47 GMT
"The costs of doing it have unfortunately accelerated way beyond what we initially thought the budget would be, but that's acceptable." Wow. It most certainly is NOT acceptable. They bought the club irresponsibly without knowing how to run it and how to fund it. Absolute embarrassments and if I were them then I'd find it very difficult to sleep at night and to look at myself in the mirror. I hope I never live to make as terrible judgement in business as they have done. I am sad it has come to this, as I do believe they're essentially nice people and they had honourable intentions I'm sure, but they have really really messed up and let tens of thousands of people down with their poor planning and ineptitude. Like you I should have difficulty sleeping at night if I had made promises which I could not keep and let down people who had trusted my word. But we must remember that not everyone thinks this way and that the wealthy are often skilled at making sure others pay for mistakes they have made. Throw in the fact that our owners are from a completely different business culture and I don't think we should rely on them (as we would perceive it) doing the right thing for Rovers. They will do whatever is right for themselves and if that entails selling the land at the Mem without first ensuring the club has a suitable place to play in the future then they may well do it. But its also possible they will continue running the club over and above the debt exceeding the value of the mem is it not? Could we have relied on higgs paying the wonga style loan which he took out without being sure a buyer would rescue him?
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Post by supergas on Nov 23, 2018 1:35:11 GMT
Drove past Brentford’s new development today. Couldn’t help feeling a little sad seeing another new stadium being built whilst we are expected to put up with the shocking facilities at the mem. I saw this aerial photo of it the other day, made me very depressed.... 17,250-capacity, £70m for the stadium and a partnership with another company for income-generating flats on the remaining land. Two year build, 18 months to go.
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Post by swissgas on Nov 23, 2018 1:53:23 GMT
Like you I should have difficulty sleeping at night if I had made promises which I could not keep and let down people who had trusted my word. But we must remember that not everyone thinks this way and that the wealthy are often skilled at making sure others pay for mistakes they have made. Throw in the fact that our owners are from a completely different business culture and I don't think we should rely on them (as we would perceive it) doing the right thing for Rovers. They will do whatever is right for themselves and if that entails selling the land at the Mem without first ensuring the club has a suitable place to play in the future then they may well do it. As any entrepreneurs would do. I have no idea why you bring this kind of judgement on their nationality, particularly given that you live in America, Franchise Central. You are certainly right about business methods in the USA. I've talked to people here who expressed an interest in acquiring Rovers and it didn't take long to find out they knew all the tricks of the trade. Selling long term season ticket debentures and refinancing assets was the main thrust of their strategy and by doing this they could have got Nick Higgs and co their loans repaid but after that, in reality, it was all down to chance which is why I didn't pursue it. That is why I've been so dead against the 100% debt finance and no equity method which Dwane Sports have used. When I brought this up last year many fans disagreed and said "how do you know they won't capitalise their loans at some point" but now I think it is clear they will not do so. The purchase of Rovers was an opportunity for someone with access to cash to take advantage of someone who desperately needed cash and, as you say, that is what entrepreneurs do. I am making no judgement on the nationality of our owners but merely pointing out they have a particular type of business culture just as business people from Japan or Brazil or Sweden would operate in their own specific way. The majority of fans, understandably, tend to have limited experience in these matters and may find it hard to accept that, whatever their nationality, people who are smiling and charming one minute can turn hard and impersonal in an instant. And that every day securities are called in by lenders leading more often than not to shock and horror among those who had convinced themselves it would never happen. It is hard to decide whether to make posts like this Oldie but I think fans should be aware of what is possible.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 23, 2018 3:06:43 GMT
Drove past Brentford’s new development today. Couldn’t help feeling a little sad seeing another new stadium being built whilst we are expected to put up with the shocking facilities at the mem. I saw this aerial photo of it the other day, made me very depressed.... 17,250-capacity, £70m for the stadium and a partnership with another company for income-generating flats on the remaining land. Two year build, 18 months to go. With this shower of sh** owning our club, something like this is only ever going to be a distant pipe dream. The only way we will ever enjoy a stadium like that is if by chance we play them in a cup competition on their ground... #NationalLeagueHereWeCome
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Post by completewingback on Nov 23, 2018 3:29:47 GMT
Actually now sick to the back teeth with our f**king club, we will never progress under these clowns , what a let down , I was so optimistic when these guys took over that we would finally become a decent outfit and ready to climb the leagues. We will always be sh**e. I wouldn't say that but yeah I do feel I was duped by the AQs. I feel angry mostly at myself for believing them though. they're off-the-clock politicians, the lot of them. Plus the "evolution not revolution" mantra, I mean, it's not wrong. It's much better for a club to evolve organically and naturally with support from the higher ups. I'm just mad I didn't realize they could play us by pretending this was their plan.
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Post by swissgas on Nov 23, 2018 4:43:53 GMT
You are certainly right about business methods in the USA. I've talked to people here who expressed an interest in acquiring Rovers and it didn't take long to find out they knew all the tricks of the trade. Selling long term season ticket debentures and refinancing assets was the main thrust of their strategy and by doing this they could have got Nick Higgs and co their loans repaid but after that, in reality, it was all down to chance which is why I didn't pursue it. That is why I've been so dead against the 100% debt finance and no equity method which Dwane Sports have used. When I brought this up last year many fans disagreed and said "how do you know they won't capitalise their loans at some point" but now I think it is clear they will not do so. The purchase of Rovers was an opportunity for someone with access to cash to take advantage of someone who desperately needed cash and, as you say, that is what entrepreneurs do. I am making no judgement on the nationality of our owners but merely pointing out they have a particular type of business culture just as business people from Japan or Brazil or Sweden would operate in their own specific way. The majority of fans, understandably, tend to have limited experience in these matters and may find it hard to accept that, whatever their nationality, people who are smiling and charming one minute can turn hard and impersonal in an instant. And that every day securities are called in by lenders leading more often than not to shock and horror among those who had convinced themselves it would never happen. It is hard to decide whether to make posts like this Oldie but I think fans should be aware of what is possible. So basically we've been taken over by stealthy asset strippers. I did have this concern a while back when they were taking on all this backroom staff as a false sign of intent. No, I wouldn't call them that, and the term asset strippers is so inflammatory it will only lead to more division between so called board haters and so called rose tinters. In reality these groups don't exist, we are all Rovers fans and we need unity more than ever in the face of what is happening. Business is about maximizing reward and minimizing risk. Dwane Sports did an excellent job of minimizing their risk because they acquired an asset with a financial value far greater than the amount they ever expected to loan to Rovers. Their potential reward ranged between the minimum of a football league club for Wael to enjoy owning and the maximum of a club heading for "the championship and beyond" which could yield a spectacular financial return if sold. But they misjudged the situation, made mistakes, and now we wait to see who is going to pay for those mistakes.
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Post by Severncider on Nov 23, 2018 4:45:02 GMT
I do applaud SH for finally admitting that the training ground is not going to happen.
I have been telling people that it would not, as the owners had found out how much it was going to cost them, a fact now confirmed by SH.
So the next question is, you said about the development of The Mem was to take place that a firm of Gloustershire consultants were too draw up plans. The question is "are we still employing them?"
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 23, 2018 4:48:01 GMT
Hammers a freakin liar. He lied through his teeth to me about the UWE being built when on the train from Charlton. Should be good news in 2 weeks. That was 2 years ago! Lying Bastard. He also told me the date of the annual friendly at Sabadell, we ended up going to Portugal. The man's an arse. End of. Jezzus OG, you didn’t send him to the Buffet carriage with a Twenty for a couple of tins and a sausage roll ? # M I A Attachment Deleted
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 23, 2018 4:58:38 GMT
It's time to drain. The swamp Might find Big Jock & Rass
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Post by Fat Albert on Nov 23, 2018 5:38:31 GMT
DC must be absolutely gutted he turned down Leeds for this. We might have had years of crap to put up with but he made a career decision based on lies by the sound of things!
I’m sure he’s doing alright money wise but I bet he’s kicking himself now.
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Post by singupgas on Nov 23, 2018 6:53:55 GMT
DC must be absolutely gutted he turned down Leeds for this. We might have had years of crap to put up with but he made a career decision based on lies by the sound of things! I’m sure he’s doing alright money wise but I bet he’s kicking himself now. UTG You are right, we have all been lied too, the ALQs have come in and done nothing, we haven't really achieved much. DC has done well to have us finish mid table this last couple years, but not sure we so lucky this year. Us fans need to get behind DC and the team now on a Saturday making as much noise as possible..the Thatchers end had been quiet of late. Come on men and women, let's singupgas for 90 minutes and help the side and don't let the AlQs leave us back in league 2. Let's be having you.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 23, 2018 7:13:32 GMT
DC must be absolutely gutted he turned down Leeds for this. We might have had years of crap to put up with but he made a career decision based on lies by the sound of things! I’m sure he’s doing alright money wise but I bet he’s kicking himself now. UTG You are right, we have all been lied too, the ALQs have come in and done nothing, we haven't really achieved much. DC has done well to have us finish mid table this last couple years, but not sure we so lucky this year. Us fans need to get behind DC and the team now on a Saturday making as much noise as possible..the Thatchers end had been quiet of late. Come on men and women, let's singupgas for 90 minutes and help the side and don't let the AlQs leave us back in league 2. Let's be having you. Well said Delia.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Nov 23, 2018 7:25:38 GMT
Drove past Brentford’s new development today. Couldn’t help feeling a little sad seeing another new stadium being built whilst we are expected to put up with the shocking facilities at the mem. I saw this aerial photo of it the other day, made me very depressed.... 17,250-capacity, £70m for the stadium and a partnership with another company for income-generating flats on the remaining land. Two year build, 18 months to go. You have to ask yourself if they considered adding a few tented stands to the design though. Bit boring otherwise methinks. Seriously though that is looking pretty awesome, and on a very constrained site by the look of it as well so hats off to the designers and the club for getting that across the line. Well played Brentford!
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Post by Marshy on Nov 23, 2018 7:31:53 GMT
I saw this aerial photo of it the other day, made me very depressed.... 17,250-capacity, £70m for the stadium and a partnership with another company for income-generating flats on the remaining land. Two year build, 18 months to go. You have to ask yourself if they considered adding a few tented stands to the design though. Bit boring otherwise methinks. Seriously though that is looking pretty awesome, and on a very constrained site by the look of it as well so hats off to the designers and the club for getting that across the line. Well played Brentford! Getting it across the line is spot on, look at the bottom corner it will run straight across the the railway!
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