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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 7:13:03 GMT
No more prejudiced than Oldie - just opposite ends of the spectrum Oldie has a lot to catch up with, to be honest. Do you think Jaggas is wrong in what he posted? Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 6, 2019 7:34:48 GMT
Oldie has a lot to catch up with, to be honest. Do you think Jaggas is wrong in what he posted? Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate? heres the thing Eric. As you have written it is exactly how that question should be asked. It's fair and a reasonable question. He on the other hand couldn't help himself but label Somalians as the scum of Africa. Big difference.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 6, 2019 8:03:17 GMT
Oldie has a lot to catch up with, to be honest. Do you think Jaggas is wrong in what he posted? Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate? But he didn't did he. What he posted this time was actually relatively tame compared to some of the stuff he's said in the past Eric. That's why he gets such short shrift here. Now in keeping with my earlier post I am happy to debate the points you raised because I think it's important. I also happen to agree with what you are saying, much more needs to be done to encourage integration, education, language skills and also to reinforce that while we can be tolerant of other cultures, that will not be at the expense of our own relatively liberal UK values and culture.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 8:59:49 GMT
Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate? But he didn't did he. What he posted this time was actually relatively tame compared to some of the stuff he's said in the past Eric. That's why he gets such short shrift here. Now in keeping with my earlier post I am happy to debate the points you raised because I think it's important. I also happen to agree with what you are saying, much more needs to be done to encourage integration, education, language skills and also to reinforce that while we can be tolerant of other cultures, that will not be at the expense of our own relatively liberal UK values and culture. Absolutely Hugo.
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Post by jaggas on Apr 7, 2019 16:48:20 GMT
Oldie has a lot to catch up with, to be honest. Do you think Jaggas is wrong in what he posted? Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate? Eric you will notice that numerous times I have pointed out the positive contributions to our society made by the Sikhs and the Hindus....They manage to bring their values customs and religion with them and not foist any of their beliefs on anyone else nor demand religious privileges in the places they choose to work.Eric I have numerous times posted about the positive contribution that the Sikhs and Hindus make wherever they settle they follow their religion and customs without attempting to foist them on their hosts nor do they demand religious privileges in the workplace. Are we sure it is just a coincidence that violence ,rape,prostitution,FGM,drug dealing and knife crime follows the Somalis wherever they settle? They are despised by the Caribbean communities so they must be racist as well. I am sure a small minority of Somalis make a positive contribution to our society but sadly those positive stories are so rare.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 8, 2019 11:56:21 GMT
Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate? Eric you will notice that numerous times I have pointed out the positive contributions to our society made by the Sikhs and the Hindus....They manage to bring their values customs and religion with them and not foist any of their beliefs on anyone else nor demand religious privileges in the places they choose to work.Eric I have numerous times posted about the positive contribution that the Sikhs and Hindus make wherever they settle they follow their religion and customs without attempting to foist them on their hosts nor do they demand religious privileges in the workplace. Are we sure it is just a coincidence that violence ,rape,prostitution,FGM,drug dealing and knife crime follows the Somalis wherever they settle? They are despised by the Caribbean communities so they must be racist as well. I am sure a small minority of Somalis make a positive contribution to our society but sadly those positive stories are so rare. What do you call religious priviledges in the workplace if you don't mind me asking
I mean we have to buy Soya milk for those horrible bloody Vegans here
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Post by baggins on Apr 8, 2019 12:50:09 GMT
Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate? Eric you will notice that numerous times I have pointed out the positive contributions to our society made by the Sikhs and the Hindus....They manage to bring their values customs and religion with them and not foist any of their beliefs on anyone else nor demand religious privileges in the places they choose to work.Eric I have numerous times posted about the positive contribution that the Sikhs and Hindus make wherever they settle they follow their religion and customs without attempting to foist them on their hosts nor do they demand religious privileges in the workplace. Are we sure it is just a coincidence that violence ,rape,prostitution,FGM,drug dealing and knife crime follows the Somalis wherever they settle? They are despised by the Caribbean communities so they must be racist as well. I am sure a small minority of Somalis make a positive contribution to our society but sadly those positive stories are so rare. So knife crime, rape, drug dealing and prostitution has only happened since the Somalis touched our shores? Open a history book.
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Post by baggins on Apr 8, 2019 13:06:57 GMT
Wrong in that nobody is allowed to voice an opinion on such things. If he disliked them because of the colour of their skin then bang out of order but maybe he does have the right to question what they add to society as a nationality? It would help maybe if he qualified by saying not all are bad apples and there are plenty of positive examples from the Somali community or cited nationalities who generally have a positive impact such as Indian migrants for example who appear more hard working and willing to integrate? Eric you will notice that numerous times I have pointed out the positive contributions to our society made by the Sikhs and the Hindus....They manage to bring their values customs and religion with them and not foist any of their beliefs on anyone else nor demand religious privileges in the places they choose to work.Eric I have numerous times posted about the positive contribution that the Sikhs and Hindus make wherever they settle they follow their religion and customs without attempting to foist them on their hosts nor do they demand religious privileges in the workplace. Are we sure it is just a coincidence that violence ,rape,prostitution,FGM,drug dealing and knife crime follows the Somalis wherever they settle? They are despised by the Caribbean communities so they must be racist as well. I am sure a small minority of Somalis make a positive contribution to our society but sadly those positive stories are so rare. I also wonder how you feel, when you go to the Mem, where "let's kick racism out of football" shirts are worn by our players, where the FA and UEFA are investigating racist chants against the England squad a few weeks ago, knowing that you're a racist? Knowing we're standing together against people like you? Do you feel anything?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 16:17:27 GMT
Eric I have numerous times posted about the positive contribution that the Sikhs and Hindus make wherever they settle they follow their religion and customs without attempting to foist them on their hosts nor do they demand religious privileges in the workplace. Are we sure it is just a coincidence that violence ,rape,prostitution,FGM,drug dealing and knife crime follows the Somalis wherever they settle? They are despised by the Caribbean communities so they must be racist as well. I am sure a small minority of Somalis make a positive contribution to our society but sadly those positive stories are so rare. I also wonder how you feel, when you go to the Mem, where "let's kick racism out of football" shirts are worn by our players, where the FA and UEFA are investigating racist chants against the England squad a few weeks ago, knowing that you're a racist? Knowing we're standing together against people like you? Do you feel anything? Yes indeed sir.
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Post by jaggas on Apr 8, 2019 17:16:41 GMT
I also wonder how you feel, when you go to the Mem, where "let's kick racism out of football" shirts are worn by our players, where the FA and UEFA are investigating racist chants against the England squad a few weeks ago, knowing that you're a racist? Knowing we're standing together against people like you? Do you feel anything? Yes indeed sir. Somalis are not a race nor is their religion and has nothing to do with the kick it out campaign....Questioning the ethics of a religion is not racist nor is pointing out that a certain community don't contribute any positives to society where they settle. Trying to compare criticism of Islam and the Somali community to morons making monkey noises at black footballers predominantly in mainland Europe is not similar and it is stupid to compare them.
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Post by jaggas on Apr 8, 2019 17:20:14 GMT
Eric I have numerous times posted about the positive contribution that the Sikhs and Hindus make wherever they settle they follow their religion and customs without attempting to foist them on their hosts nor do they demand religious privileges in the workplace. Are we sure it is just a coincidence that violence ,rape,prostitution,FGM,drug dealing and knife crime follows the Somalis wherever they settle? They are despised by the Caribbean communities so they must be racist as well. I am sure a small minority of Somalis make a positive contribution to our society but sadly those positive stories are so rare. So knife crime, rape, drug dealing and prostitution has only happened since the Somalis touched our shores? Open a history book. Who said it was exclusive to Somalis? Again rather than get on your moral high horse and attack me why not give some examples of the positive contribution that the Somali community make to British society.....So far none of you have.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 8, 2019 19:43:06 GMT
Eric I have numerous times posted about the positive contribution that the Sikhs and Hindus make wherever they settle they follow their religion and customs without attempting to foist them on their hosts nor do they demand religious privileges in the workplace. Are we sure it is just a coincidence that violence ,rape,prostitution,FGM,drug dealing and knife crime follows the Somalis wherever they settle? They are despised by the Caribbean communities so they must be racist as well. I am sure a small minority of Somalis make a positive contribution to our society but sadly those positive stories are so rare. I also wonder how you feel, when you go to the Mem, where "let's kick racism out of football" shirts are worn by our players, where the FA and UEFA are investigating racist chants against the England squad a few weeks ago, knowing that you're a racist? Knowing we're standing together against people like you? Do you feel anything? gaschat.co.uk/thread/14124/racism-footballTheres you answer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 20:21:33 GMT
I also wonder how you feel, when you go to the Mem, where "let's kick racism out of football" shirts are worn by our players, where the FA and UEFA are investigating racist chants against the England squad a few weeks ago, knowing that you're a racist? Knowing we're standing together against people like you? Do you feel anything? gaschat.co.uk/thread/14124/racism-footballTheres you answer. I haven't followed that thread, sad to see he is equally as obnoxious and confused on that one as well as here.
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Post by jaggas on Apr 8, 2019 21:35:36 GMT
Says the man who ignores all anti Jewish remarks from numerous posters including the Officer.The same man who made stereotypical derogatory remarks about the Indian community.
The same man who rushes to the defence of Islam throwing the r word about but has no problem slagging off and criticising pretty much every aspect of Christianity and even used Catholicism to defend Muslim grooming gangs.
The same man who like his fellow socialist anti semites has had days to state the positive contribution Somalis make to western society but cannot find any.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 8, 2019 22:24:29 GMT
Somalis are not a race nor is their religion and has nothing to do with the kick it out campaign....Questioning the ethics of a religion is not racist nor is pointing out that a certain community don't contribute any positives to society where they settle. Trying to compare criticism of Islam and the Somali community to morons making monkey noises at black footballers predominantly in mainland Europe is not similar and it is stupid to compare them. Race includes having distinct physical characteristics, language, culture, ethnicity and history. So as Somalis fit that then they are a race and blanket comments such as those mentioned here will be discriminatory.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 8, 2019 23:43:32 GMT
Hi everyone
I cannot be bothered to read all the he said she said on this thread because I don’t have the time but also because some of the views on this thread are for me, quite upsetting. I just cannot stand racism, in any form, regardless of how it is intended. It’s repugnant and needs to be stamped out, some how.
As mods we tend to let this board be a free for all, within reason, but there is a limit. Now there was a complaint made about jaggas view on the Somali communities. What emotion and context that was typed with is hard to tell, nevertheless, however it was meant, it was still crossed many lines, starting with decency and finished on the bigoted and racist scale.
A few of the mods expressed their views on how awful it was, and I agree with them. Not the least is that this person seems to have a consistent far right wing view. That cannot be tolerated on here, so I have banned jaggas for the rest of the month.
For those that will cry out, what about free speech, expression and opinion? Well, of course you are welcome to them, but not where public demeaning of fellow human beings are involved purely because of their nationality, ethnicity, background, colour or religion. If you hold so true to those views, how about a walk through Easton or St Paul’s on a Saturday night and announce your views to them through a loudspeaker, or, book yourself a platform in somewhere like the Lebeqs Tavern at the bottom of Stapleton Road and really state your hatred and opinion, you’ll have the perfect audience for your vitriolic hate filled opinion. Don’t fancy that? Because being a spineless keyboard warrior is safer I suppose. Pussies.
For the record, if I have to read something similar again through the admin system, I’ll happliy issue bans.
Peace out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 6:14:21 GMT
"but not where public demeaning of fellow human beings are involved purely because of their nationality, ethnicity, background, colour or religion"
I bet Oldie is feeling a bit nervous now !
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 9, 2019 6:49:06 GMT
Come on nobby theres a big difference between that and some of the bile jaggass posts. I also still have no idea why he creates these wild fantasies about us all being anti Jewish. I dont think I've ever said anything that could even remotely be considered anti Jewish. For the same reason he believes he isn't a racist I suppose, which he obviously is.
I glad hes been banned and I hope he never comes back.
Let his legacy remain as a turd of a man who influenced nobody in the backroom of a small internet forum.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 6:58:24 GMT
Come on nobby theres a big difference between that and some of the bile jaggass posts. I also still have no idea why he creates these wild fantasies about us all being anti Jewish. I dont think I've ever said anything that could even remotely be considered anti Jewish. For the same reason he believes he isn't a racist I suppose, which he obviously is. I glad hes been banned and I hope he never comes back. I feel I have to post something to support the Somalis. I paid at the cinema to watch Black Hawk Down. By going to the cinema I like to think I was helping pay the wages of the people who work in the cinema. I was also supporting the film industry and the multitude of very skilled people who contribute to make these films. If it wasn't for the Somali's there would have been no story to tell, and the film wouldn't have been made. I also know a number of men, who having finished their career's in the military, who have found gainful employment riding shotgun on ships that have to go past a certain place in the world. They only have these paid jobs due to the actions of some Somali's, and for that we should be thankful. So, proof that Somali's do indeed contribute to the UK economy.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 9, 2019 7:35:49 GMT
Somalia is a land in the midst of civil war and is no different to most other countries through the course of time, for a vast majority of reasons. When that happens nowadays and how quickly and in-depth news can be reported we always see the atrocities that go on and assume that all of the residents of those countries must be like that. Yes some citizens may be forced, though desperation of poverty to join the ranks of criminal activity or some chose to flee to asylum in another country. For those who choose asylum they are usually given living conditions which, in contrast by our western standards, are poor. The minority then want to continue persecution of these individuals by insinuating they are lazy, troublesome or because they are of a different religious faith with a different skin colour. Haven't these people suffered enough? Of course we will see a criminal element too from them. But lets not tar them all with the same brush, we do a great job of producing our own fair share of horrible breeds here who carry out the most violent and repugnant of crimes. That has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Man has been inhumane to each other for centuries. People forget that it was only a few hundred years ago that Europeans were burning people alive and stoning them to death for wanting to read a copy of the bible in their native language. Who can forget the repugnant acts of the slave trade that our own fair city held heavy influence over. We laud Cabot as a great Bristolian, and he did some wonderfully kind things, but he was also a mercenary to what would be classed as crimes today. Have a read of this and tell me Somali people are as Jaggas states. www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45224145
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