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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 20:43:59 GMT
Incarcerated for what? Why is no one asking questions of the father from Holland the new baby is half Dutch.Surely it's Hollands problem as well and they should be doing all they can to bring home one of their Muslim sons and his new family. Any crime she has committed as brought to court by the CPS. That's how it works, not a trial by a kangaroo court of Public opinion.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2019 21:05:14 GMT
Incarcerated for what? Why is no one asking questions of the father from Holland the new baby is half Dutch.Surely it's Hollands problem as well and they should be doing all they can to bring home one of their Muslim sons and his new family. Good point. Bit sexist of everyone to assume the mother (or to be more accurate the UK taxpayer) should take care of her baby. What about the dads "rights" !!!!! The UK is such an evil place as shown by the brexit vote, surely the kid would have a better future being bought up in the EU. The marriage won't be recognised for age and jurisdiction reasons, presumably and legally the baby will be hers until paternity is proven or formally registered.
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 21:06:48 GMT
Serious question. Your about to get on a train, and notice she is to be sat opposite you during your journey.
You would be happy to stay there sitting opposite her for the rest of your journey?
In truth she would probably go unnoticed by most. To answer your question, then if she is here on the terms I proposed then yes, I would. That is based n the point that to be there she would have been through the deradicalisation programme or be monitored. Without that, she would still be detained. The other thing to bear in mind is that she is 19, there is still time for her to change. Whether she will grasp the opportunity is down to her. Not being funny Stu but this has happened before ,others came back, jailed, released from jail then carried out terror attack, Is it worth the risk, it appears that it's trying to get back on her terms ,the more i read the more i believe it should be left to rot, said it won't come back if it can't keep it's kid or if the family can't have the kid ,the bitch should be sterilised ,also remember that it burnt it's passport and renounced british citizenship, destroyed it's phone and swore allegiance to isis, whored itself out to the bloke she was told to marry, says she had nothing to do with hurting people, sorry but everyone her so called husband killed she also had a hand in, she knew what was going on but like most cowards wants to come home because it easier. Like others have muted make her go to her hubby s homeland as surely her kid has dual nationality which is a thing a lot of wrong un's desire as they can choose which country to sponge of a very low percentage of terrorists are jailed on return
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 21:09:18 GMT
Incarcerated for what? Why is no one asking questions of the father from Holland the new baby is half Dutch.Surely it's Hollands problem as well and they should be doing all they can to bring home one of their Muslim sons and his new family. Any crime she has committed as brought to court by the CPS. That's how it works, not a trial by a kangaroo court of Public opinion. Weird question oldie but do you 100% stand by and believe what you typed or is it just bandwagon jumping serious question
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 21:17:51 GMT
Why have you bought the colour of someone's skin up? I don't care whether a terrorist, murderer, rapist or paedophile is black, white, green or orange - the only way to guarantee the general populations safety from such scum is to lock them up forever. Start putting the majority first instead of risking their safety with ridiculous gambles that someone has been successfully rehabilitated. Precisely So how do you know the person sat opposite you on a train is a violent terrorist, to refer to previous posts? Re-read my post which you've quoted - I said IF I was aware who she was. By the way that is quite possible given she will continue to be making headlines for months to come. You are so blinkered in your views of people you've stopped reading posts properly - you seem to desperately want to believe anyone who doesn't share your political views is racist when it was you that bought skin colour in to it.
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Post by Okebournegas on Feb 17, 2019 21:30:14 GMT
She made her bed , she can now lay in it , this is no longer her country , may she rot in hell for eternity, absolute scum of the earth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 21:40:51 GMT
Precisely So how do you know the person sat opposite you on a train is a violent terrorist, to refer to previous posts? Re-read my post which you've quoted - I said IF I was aware who she was. By the way that is quite possible given she will continue to be making headlines for months to come. You are so blinkered in your views of people you've stopped reading posts properly - you seem to desperately want to believe anyone who doesn't share your political views is racist when it was you that bought skin colour in to it. Not at all. The point is the actual Likelyhood of you knowing anyone sat near you on any form of transport has an intention to commit terrorism is about zero. So there is no if, and or but in it. Which renders your point and question to Stuart meaningless. It's just a straw man argument. In all this there are only a couple of known facts. She is a UK Citizen. As such under international treaties we have signed up to it is illegal to make her Stateless. She has every right to 're enter the country. How she gets here is her and her family's issue. We have the rule of law here still (thank god). If she has committed a crime under those laws then it is for the CPS to prosecute her before a court. That's it. No amount of "lynch mob self righteous" ranting should change that.
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2019 21:43:45 GMT
Sadly Stuart the indications are she will not change as she doesnt want to...It seems all she wants now are the benefits of being a British citizen ie: free housing, free money and free healthcare. Only one way to find out, if you are right then she stays in free housing, ie HMP. I'm no one has mentioned that in all probability she will be given police protection, as seems to happen a lot these days
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 21:59:22 GMT
Re-read my post which you've quoted - I said IF I was aware who she was. By the way that is quite possible given she will continue to be making headlines for months to come. You are so blinkered in your views of people you've stopped reading posts properly - you seem to desperately want to believe anyone who doesn't share your political views is racist when it was you that bought skin colour in to it. Not at all. The point is the actual Likelyhood of you knowing anyone sat near you on any form of transport has an intention to commit terrorism is about zero. So there is no if, and or but in it. Which renders your point and question to Stuart meaningless. It's just a straw man argument. In all this there are only a couple of known facts. She is a UK Citizen. As such under international treaties we have signed up to it is illegal to make her Stateless. She has every right to 're enter the country. How she gets here is her and her family's issue. We have the rule of law here still (thank god). If she has committed a crime under those laws then it is for the CPS to prosecute her before a court. That's it. No amount of "lynch mob self righteous" ranting should change that. Back to my post. I said if I was aware who she was then I'd get well away from her. Whether she was planning an act at that particular moment or not is irrelevant - if I recognised her and obviously being aware of her ISIS links I wouldn't take the chance. Harold Shipman didn't murder every granny he came across but even though the odds would be in your favour you'd wouldn't want him anywhere near your mother. Sidney Cooke didn't molest every child he came across but you wouldn't trust him to work in a school. My point is if you know someone is a potential threat to your or your family you take evasive action, regardless of the odds. That said it shouldn't be down to normal people to make such calls, the authorities should take action to ensure there is no risk to the general public by locking her type (terrorists and terrorist sympathisers) up indefinitely. By the way I still don't understand why you needed to bring skin colour into the discussion when responding directly to my post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 22:05:44 GMT
Only one way to find out, if you are right then she stays in free housing, ie HMP. I'm no one has mentioned that in all probability she will be given police protection, as seems to happen a lot these days New identity like Mary Bell, Maxine Carr, Thompson and Venables. Probably a fresh start with a home, benefits, further state funded education, driving lessons - with the legal aid she will undoubtably get it will probably cost the taxpayers well over a £million. Lefties shouldn't moan about austerity when the do gooder approach sees us fritter away so much on wasters like her.
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Post by aghast on Feb 17, 2019 23:15:40 GMT
A very funny BBC sketch. Yes, BBC!
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2019 23:58:17 GMT
I'm no one has mentioned that in all probability she will be given police protection, as seems to happen a lot these days New identity like Mary Bell, Maxine Carr, Thompson and Venables. Probably a fresh start with a home, benefits, further state funded education, driving lessons - with the legal aid she will undoubtably get it will probably cost the taxpayers well over a £million. Lefties shouldn't moan about austerity when the do gooder approach sees us fritter away so much on wasters like her. Everything has a cost, what price is the rule of law? As I alluded to in my first post here, I would shed no tears if she were killed in an RAF air strike, in fact left to my heart (rather than head) I would stick her in a Toyota Land Cruiser and let HM's finest use her and her ilk as target practice. But even that would cost £000,000s. However, we have a situation where hundreds even thousands are looking to stop fighting as ISIS have all but lost, for many it is end game, others the start of the next round. This issue isn't going to go away and a decision will have to be made as to how we deal with them. Whilst she is the current news item on account of the back story, she isn't alone. Leaving them in camp will be counter productive and may make things worse by giving a PR coup, radicalising new fighters. Look at Guantanamo. My reasons are more than one individual and not based on any sympathy vote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:28:26 GMT
Seems no-one is cynical about her stories of having two children die. I am. I don't believe a word that comes out her mouth.
Why would she lie I hear you ask, who would do such a thing and for why.
Hmmm, I wonder.
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Post by William Wilson on Feb 18, 2019 7:26:50 GMT
Re-read my post which you've quoted - I said IF I was aware who she was. By the way that is quite possible given she will continue to be making headlines for months to come. You are so blinkered in your views of people you've stopped reading posts properly - you seem to desperately want to believe anyone who doesn't share your political views is racist when it was you that bought skin colour in to it. Not at all. The point is the actual Likelyhood of you knowing anyone sat near you on any form of transport has an intention to commit terrorism is about zero. So there is no if, and or but in it. Which renders your point and question to Stuart meaningless. It's just a straw man argument. In all this there are only a couple of known facts. She is a UK Citizen. As such under international treaties we have signed up to it is illegal to make her Stateless. She has every right to 're enter the country. How she gets here is her and her family's issue. We have the rule of law here still (thank god). If she has committed a crime under those laws then it is for the CPS to prosecute her before a court. That's it. No amount of "lynch mob self righteous" ranting should change that. Got a spare room, Oldie? Drop her a line and offer to put her up. She can be reached on slaughterallinfidels@hotmail.com
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 18, 2019 7:53:39 GMT
Not at all. The point is the actual Likelyhood of you knowing anyone sat near you on any form of transport has an intention to commit terrorism is about zero. So there is no if, and or but in it. Which renders your point and question to Stuart meaningless. It's just a straw man argument. In all this there are only a couple of known facts. She is a UK Citizen. As such under international treaties we have signed up to it is illegal to make her Stateless. She has every right to 're enter the country. How she gets here is her and her family's issue. We have the rule of law here still (thank god). If she has committed a crime under those laws then it is for the CPS to prosecute her before a court. That's it. No amount of "lynch mob self righteous" ranting should change that. Got a spare room, Oldie? Drop her a line and offer to put her up. She can be reached on slaughterallinfidels@hotmail.com
Are those the only two options, leave her there or let her roam free in the UK with public money?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:54:07 GMT
Not at all. The point is the actual Likelyhood of you knowing anyone sat near you on any form of transport has an intention to commit terrorism is about zero. So there is no if, and or but in it. Which renders your point and question to Stuart meaningless. It's just a straw man argument. In all this there are only a couple of known facts. She is a UK Citizen. As such under international treaties we have signed up to it is illegal to make her Stateless. She has every right to 're enter the country. How she gets here is her and her family's issue. We have the rule of law here still (thank god). If she has committed a crime under those laws then it is for the CPS to prosecute her before a court. That's it. No amount of "lynch mob self righteous" ranting should change that. Got a spare room, Oldie? Drop her a line and offer to put her up. She can be reached on slaughterallinfidels@hotmail.com
I wonder how many people followed through with their "offers" to house Syrian refugees, the likes of George Ferfuson and Lily Allen were quite vocal telling everyone that we should do this. I suspect they were all talk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 8:02:54 GMT
Got a spare room, Oldie? Drop her a line and offer to put her up. She can be reached on slaughterallinfidels@hotmail.com
Are those the only two options, leave her there or let her roam free in the UK with public money? Probably Yes. Despite equality laws there is a lot of pressure for women not to be jailed in this country, especially if they have young children. I don't know what she will be charged with as how will we get evidence or witness statements on what she was up to whilst with ISIS? If she does get imprisoned I doubt it will be for long. Human Rights lawyers will help her keep the child. The roam free bit is interesting. If she has no convictions or serves a short sentence she will be free to do as she wishes. Surveillance would be the only option and this costs thousands per week and leaves security services in a very difficult position of having to decide which suspicious characters to monitor as they will have a limited resource. My prediction is that in a year or two you will see newspaper headlines showing her in her new life win new house, car and benefits pushing her kid along in a pushchair. Unless of course she gets given witness protection or media injunctions protecting her privacy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 8:08:15 GMT
Not at all. The point is the actual Likelyhood of you knowing anyone sat near you on any form of transport has an intention to commit terrorism is about zero. So there is no if, and or but in it. Which renders your point and question to Stuart meaningless. It's just a straw man argument. In all this there are only a couple of known facts. She is a UK Citizen. As such under international treaties we have signed up to it is illegal to make her Stateless. She has every right to 're enter the country. How she gets here is her and her family's issue. We have the rule of law here still (thank god). If she has committed a crime under those laws then it is for the CPS to prosecute her before a court. That's it. No amount of "lynch mob self righteous" ranting should change that. Got a spare room, Oldie? Drop her a line and offer to put her up. She can be reached on slaughterallinfidels@hotmail.com
Not really a useful contribution to the debate William is it. I cannot really understand people like Eric and others who label people like myself leftie loonies when what we are doing is taking the very conservative view of upholding the laws on our statute book. These are the laws that our own Soveriegn Parliament has placed on that book and upheld by our independent judiciary. As a country, we are widely admired for how we do this even when there is a cost. Stranger still then that people on here who do not want to stick to our system of law and justice when adjudicating over this example of a UK citizen choosing to support an enemy of the state on foreign soil are acting exactly like idiotic extremists within Islam, who also advocate arresting and killing people without due process.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 18, 2019 8:23:25 GMT
Are those the only two options, leave her there or let her roam free in the UK with public money? Probably Yes. Despite equality laws there is a lot of pressure for women not to be jailed in this country, especially if they have young children. I don't know what she will be charged with as how will we get evidence or witness statements on what she was up to whilst with ISIS? If she does get imprisoned I doubt it will be for long. Human Rights lawyers will help her keep the child. The roam free bit is interesting. If she has no convictions or serves a short sentence she will be free to do as she wishes. Surveillance would be the only option and this costs thousands per week and leaves security services in a very difficult position of having to decide which suspicious characters to monitor as they will have a limited resource. My prediction is that in a year or two you will see newspaper headlines showing her in her new life win new house, car and benefits pushing her kid along in a pushchair. Unless of course she gets given witness protection or media injunctions protecting her privacy. She'll get 10 years just for being a member of a proscribed organisation. She's already confessed do that. There will be more, but we are talking about if she makes her own way out, not us going into Syria do get her. As for human rights lawyers, I'm not sure they are as influential as they have been, PIL have seen to that. Regarding mothers, perhaps, I do know that my sister in law served time away from three under 10 despite committing no violent crime.
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 18, 2019 8:29:14 GMT
Got a spare room, Oldie? Drop her a line and offer to put her up. She can be reached on slaughterallinfidels@hotmail.com
Not really a useful contribution to the debate William is it. I cannot really understand people like Eric and others who label people like myself leftie loonies when what we are doing is taking the very conservative view of upholding the laws on our statute book. These are the laws that our own Soveriegn Parliament has placed on that book and upheld by our independent judiciary. As a country, we are widely admired for how we do this even when there is a cost. Stranger still then that people on here who do not want to stick to our system of law and justice when adjudicating over this example of a UK citizen choosing to support an enemy of the state on foreign soil are acting exactly like idiotic extremists within Islam, who also advocate arresting and killing people without due process. Well put Oldie
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