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796 people have died, homeless, on the streets of the UK, in 18 months since 2017.
So proud.
Same party that led us to Brexit.
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Shameful.
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Isn't it just. I cannot believe this is my country. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 20:29:28 GMT
796 people have died, homeless, on the streets of the UK, in 18 months since 2017. So proud. Same party that led us to Brexit. Presumably nobody died homeless under the last Labour government? They must have been safely tucked up in all the council houses built by Blair and Brown before the Tories came to power and threw them on the street? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 20:32:48 GMT
796 people have died, homeless, on the streets of the UK, in 18 months since 2017. So proud. Same party that led us to Brexit. Presumably nobody died homeless under the last Labour government? They must have been safely tucked up in all the council houses built by Blair and Brown before the Tories came to power and threw them on the street? Why don't you do the classic business analysis? Compare and contrast (on the options) Whilst you are doing it you could do The same for Brexit. After all, that's what a democratic debate demands. I am sure you might agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 20:37:55 GMT
Isn't it just. I cannot believe this is my country. Plenty of lefties claimed to be willing to house Syrian refugees, the likes of George Ferguson and Lily Allen for example, but I don't recall many ever following through with their promises. I can't remember many offering to help British homeless people - that would surely have been a more humane and positive course of action than using them as a political football? Do you happen to have any spare rooms Oldie and have you ever considered letting someone use it on those cold winters nights? You may have saved one of those 796 lives. Shameful. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 21:01:01 GMT
Isn't it just. I cannot believe this is my country. Plenty of lefties claimed to be willing to house Syrian refugees, the likes of George Ferguson and Lily Allen for example, but I don't recall many ever following through with their promises. I can't remember many offering to help British homeless people - that would surely have been a more humane and positive course of action than using them as a political football? Do you happen to have any spare rooms Oldie and have you ever considered letting someone use it on those cold winters nights? You may have saved one of those 796 lives. Shameful. Classic. What has political discourse come to when we have to read utter drivel like this. Jesus Christ. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 21:12:32 GMT
Plenty of lefties claimed to be willing to house Syrian refugees, the likes of George Ferguson and Lily Allen for example, but I don't recall many ever following through with their promises. I can't remember many offering to help British homeless people - that would surely have been a more humane and positive course of action than using them as a political football? Do you happen to have any spare rooms Oldie and have you ever considered letting someone use it on those cold winters nights? You may have saved one of those 796 lives. Shameful. Classic. What has political discourse come to when we have to read utter drivel like this. Jesus Christ. Just wondered whether someone so outraged would have done something positive to help the situation? I presume you didn't? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 21:14:23 GMT
Classic. What has political discourse come to when we have to read utter drivel like this. Jesus Christ. Just wondered whether someone so outraged would have done something positive to help the situation? I presume you didn't? How much did you raise for charity involved with poverty last week? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 21:23:35 GMT
Just wondered whether someone so outraged would have done something positive to help the situation? I presume you didn't? How much did you raise for charity involved with poverty last week? Don't want to answer my question then? Quite amusing from someone who continually demands answers to questions they've posed themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 21:26:26 GMT
How much did you raise for charity involved with poverty last week? Don't want to answer my question then? Quite amusing from someone who continually demands answers to questions they've posed themselves. I did do something positive. I raised a 4 figure sum for charity. What did you do? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 11, 2019 22:24:26 GMT
796 people have died, homeless, on the streets of the UK, in 18 months since 2017. So proud. Same party that led us to Brexit. Presumably nobody died homeless under the last Labour government? They must have been safely tucked up in all the council houses built by Blair and Brown before the Tories came to power and threw them on the street? Here are some facts www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.crisis.org.uk/media/238700/homelessness_monitor_england_2018.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjWw_6VkPvgAhVioXEKHZeUCGkQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3-DBDliZVWEC5jaaADlvthHopefully you will be able to see where Oldie is coming from. Very much like the education system and health service, austerity has had very real consequences that are evidenced here. And on austerity and healthcare heres a sobering fact. I cringe when I hear NHS as envy of the world. It's not. When you consider mortality rates for diseases that should not result in mortality if correct intervention is applied it's not even in the top 10 any more. Not even in the top 20. Its 30th. Let me frame that for you. We are among the worst in the western world at preventing avoidable deaths. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:35:20 GMT
Presumably nobody died homeless under the last Labour government? They must have been safely tucked up in all the council houses built by Blair and Brown before the Tories came to power and threw them on the street? Here are some facts www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.crisis.org.uk/media/238700/homelessness_monitor_england_2018.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjWw_6VkPvgAhVioXEKHZeUCGkQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3-DBDliZVWEC5jaaADlvthHopefully you will be able to see where Oldie is coming from. Very much like the education system and health service, austerity has had very real consequences that are evidenced here. And on austerity and healthcare heres a sobering fact. I cringe when I hear NHS as envy of the world. It's not. When you consider mortality rates for diseases that should not result in mortality if correct intervention is applied it's not even in the top 10 any more. Not even in the top 20. Its 30th. Let me frame that for you. We are among the worst in the western world at preventing avoidable deaths. I didn't know that. Jesus Christ. It's the same bullshit headline the nationalists always come out with. It's all great here. Anyway..thank you and keep up the good work. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:48:23 GMT
Presumably nobody died homeless under the last Labour government? They must have been safely tucked up in all the council houses built by Blair and Brown before the Tories came to power and threw them on the street? Here are some facts www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.crisis.org.uk/media/238700/homelessness_monitor_england_2018.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjWw_6VkPvgAhVioXEKHZeUCGkQFjAJegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3-DBDliZVWEC5jaaADlvthHopefully you will be able to see where Oldie is coming from. Very much like the education system and health service, austerity has had very real consequences that are evidenced here. And on austerity and healthcare heres a sobering fact. I cringe when I hear NHS as envy of the world. It's not. When you consider mortality rates for diseases that should not result in mortality if correct intervention is applied it's not even in the top 10 any more. Not even in the top 20. Its 30th. Let me frame that for you. We are among the worst in the western world at preventing avoidable deaths. Perhaps it's the envy of the world to people who cannot afford the private healthcare in their own countries? If it needs more funding the money has to come from somewhere but I can't imagine anyone is going to volunteer to pay more tax so how will we fund it? Endlessly spending money we don't have like the last labour government is not an option. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:50:08 GMT
Don't want to answer my question then? Quite amusing from someone who continually demands answers to questions they've posed themselves. I did do something positive. I raised a 4 figure sum for charity. What did you do? I raised a 5 figure sum for charity but I don't like to talk about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:58:47 GMT
I did do something positive. I raised a 4 figure sum for charity. What did you do? I raised a 5 figure sum for charity but I don't like to talk about it. You did? Wow. Just last week, as was mine? If you don't like to talk about it why do you insist on asking others what they do to try and alleviate poverty? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 23:01:10 GMT
Perhaps it's the envy of the world to people who cannot afford the private healthcare in their own countries? If it needs more funding the money has to come from somewhere but I can't imagine anyone is going to volunteer to pay more tax so how will we fund it? Endlessly spending money we don't have like the last labour government is not an option. What was the % of public sector debt to GDP in 1997, compared to the same in 2007? |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 12, 2019 7:32:45 GMT
Plenty of lefties claimed to be willing to house Syrian refugees, the likes of George Ferguson and Lily Allen for example, but I don't recall many ever following through with their promises. I can't remember many offering to help British homeless people - that would surely have been a more humane and positive course of action than using them as a political football? Do you happen to have any spare rooms Oldie and have you ever considered letting someone use it on those cold winters nights? You may have saved one of those 796 lives. Shameful. Classic. What has political discourse come to when we have to read utter drivel like this. Jesus Christ. You need help, Les. Your insults are starting to outweigh your arguements.
Seems to me, you`re in a pretty dark place right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 8:27:08 GMT
I raised a 5 figure sum for charity but I don't like to talk about it. You did? Wow. Just last week, as was mine? If you don't like to talk about it why do you insist on asking others what they do to try and alleviate poverty? You created a thread using homeless people as a political football to have another pop at the current government. I merely wondered what positive steps you had taken to help the problem, your silence confirms you never considered giving someone some shelter which would have been the most genuine and sincere way of showing you really cared. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 8:29:36 GMT
Perhaps it's the envy of the world to people who cannot afford the private healthcare in their own countries? If it needs more funding the money has to come from somewhere but I can't imagine anyone is going to volunteer to pay more tax so how will we fund it? Endlessly spending money we don't have like the last labour government is not an option. Germany has Health Care Insurance. Off the top of my head I think it's about 15% of your earnings (with a set upper limit) with your employer usually paying half. There are two types. The Government Health Insurance or a Private Health Insurance. Unlike the UK, if you want the Private one you do not pay for the government one. You just have to have one or the other. The government insurance is cheaper (not a fantastic amount though), and the Private insurance does usually get you better conditions and maybe quicker treatment, sometimes. If you are unemployed then obviously it gets paid for you by the government. When you talk about Health Insurance, not every country is like the USA. Germany has Gold Standard Health Care. Germany also has loads of homeless sleeping on the streets as well. The subway stations are packed at nights. Germany also has a very attractive benefits policy. |
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