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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 19:38:05 GMT
I've never bought or read The Mail. I've not visited a food bank but have seen a number of documentaries from BBC and Ch4 fearturing interviews with users and don't think my view is too far from the mark. Next Wednesday's benefit documentary featuring a family called the Kerrigans will be worth watching for an insight into today's benefit culture. With respect, I recently found myself out of work for a year after being laid off out of the blue at Christmas. Despite a previously exemplary career history I was treated like a leper by all and sundry, living on £2 a day at one point to clothe myself and provide a healthy diet whilst trying to fend off the onset of depression with each rejection letter. It's at times like that you experience first hand the disdain and contempt with which this country treats it's unemployed and it doesn't matter if you have never been in 'the system' before, the minute you are the machinery of government and it's citizens judge you the same as these caricatures on the TV. In fact I must obviously have been doing something wrong because there was no 42 inch TV for me, only a fight to survive. Every. Single. Damn. Day. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. You would have seen a different side to life if a TV company had come round and filmed a documentary about me. But they didn't, because seeing people genuinely struggling to survive is not a ratings winner compared with the stereotypical cast of 'scallywags' that these bull**** documentaries throw up with their 42 inch TVs etc. It's pure pantomime designed specifically to stir the righteous ire of the middle class and keep the country deeply divided- neither side with any empathy for the other. And judging by the way people (such as yourself) seem to be using these caricatures as your reference point when contemplating the unemployed it is succeeding in that job very very well. Goodness me, your experience burns through in your words. I sincerely hope your situation is resolved. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 19:41:12 GMT
I've never bought or read The Mail. I've not visited a food bank but have seen a number of documentaries from BBC and Ch4 fearturing interviews with users and don't think my view is too far from the mark. Next Wednesday's benefit documentary featuring a family called the Kerrigans will be worth watching for an insight into today's benefit culture. With respect, I recently found myself out of work for a year after being laid off out of the blue at Christmas. Despite a previously exemplary career history I was treated like a leper by all and sundry, living on £2 a day at one point to clothe myself and provide a healthy diet whilst trying to fend off the onset of depression with each rejection letter. It's at times like that you experience first hand the disdain and contempt with which this country treats it's unemployed and it doesn't matter if you have never been in 'the system' before, the minute you are the machinery of government and it's citizens judge you the same as these caricatures on the TV. In fact I must obviously have been doing something wrong because there was no 42 inch TV for me, only a fight to survive. Every. Single. Damn. Day. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. You would have seen a different side to life if a TV company had come round and filmed a documentary about me. But they didn't, because seeing people genuinely struggling to survive is not a ratings winner compared with the stereotypical cast of 'scallywags' that these bull**** documentaries throw up with their 42 inch TVs etc. It's pure pantomime designed specifically to stir the righteous ire of the middle class and keep the country deeply divided- neither side with any empathy for the other. And judging by the way people (such as yourself) seem to be using these caricatures as your reference point when contemplating the unemployed it is succeeding in that job very very well. Like I said in an earlier post I have every sympathy with those who have fallen on hard times. If the same happened to me I doubt I would get anything as I've worked hard and own my home, I would probably have to sell up and spend everything I worked for before getting a penny of support. My frustration is that there are tens of thousands who choose the benefit lifestyle and if people want to deny their existence then there is nothing I can do about that. There are people like yourself who have done the right thing and worked hard, paid their taxes and deserve support when required - that is what the benefit system is all about surely? Likewise, those with disabilities or illness deserve more support than they currently get - I mean genuine illness not obesity, fatigue, acne etc.... Unfortunately, the benefit system gets abused by those who choose it as a career choice rather than a valuable last resort. Btw I don't consider myself middle class (whatever that means?) having been brought up in a council house by a scaffolder father and hairdresser mother.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 19:55:04 GMT
With respect, I recently found myself out of work for a year after being laid off out of the blue at Christmas. Despite a previously exemplary career history I was treated like a leper by all and sundry, living on £2 a day at one point to clothe myself and provide a healthy diet whilst trying to fend off the onset of depression with each rejection letter. It's at times like that you experience first hand the disdain and contempt with which this country treats it's unemployed and it doesn't matter if you have never been in 'the system' before, the minute you are the machinery of government and it's citizens judge you the same as these caricatures on the TV. In fact I must obviously have been doing something wrong because there was no 42 inch TV for me, only a fight to survive. Every. Single. Damn. Day. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. You would have seen a different side to life if a TV company had come round and filmed a documentary about me. But they didn't, because seeing people genuinely struggling to survive is not a ratings winner compared with the stereotypical cast of 'scallywags' that these bull**** documentaries throw up with their 42 inch TVs etc. It's pure pantomime designed specifically to stir the righteous ire of the middle class and keep the country deeply divided- neither side with any empathy for the other. And judging by the way people (such as yourself) seem to be using these caricatures as your reference point when contemplating the unemployed it is succeeding in that job very very well. Like I said in an earlier post I have every sympathy with those who have fallen on hard times. If the same happened to me I doubt I would get anything as I've worked hard and own my home, I would probably have to sell up and spend everything I worked for before getting a penny of support. My frustration is that there are tens of thousands who choose the benefit lifestyle and if people want to deny their existence then there is nothing I can do about that. There are people like yourself who have done the right thing and worked hard, paid their taxes and deserve support when required - that is what the benefit system is all about surely? Likewise, those with disabilities or illness deserve more support than they currently get - I mean genuine illness not obesity, fatigue, acne etc.... Unfortunately, the benefit system gets abused by those who choose it as a career choice rather than a valuable last resort. Btw I don't consider myself middle class (whatever that means?) having been brought up in a council house by a scaffolder father and hairdresser mother. By your own admission you have never been to a food bank, never attended a clothes bank, but still, after one of our own lays bear his real time experience, you still quote thousands of people abusing the system, without any evidence whatsoever bar the odd TV programme.. Goodness me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:26:41 GMT
Like I said in an earlier post I have every sympathy with those who have fallen on hard times. If the same happened to me I doubt I would get anything as I've worked hard and own my home, I would probably have to sell up and spend everything I worked for before getting a penny of support. My frustration is that there are tens of thousands who choose the benefit lifestyle and if people want to deny their existence then there is nothing I can do about that. There are people like yourself who have done the right thing and worked hard, paid their taxes and deserve support when required - that is what the benefit system is all about surely? Likewise, those with disabilities or illness deserve more support than they currently get - I mean genuine illness not obesity, fatigue, acne etc.... Unfortunately, the benefit system gets abused by those who choose it as a career choice rather than a valuable last resort. Btw I don't consider myself middle class (whatever that means?) having been brought up in a council house by a scaffolder father and hairdresser mother. By your own admission you have never been to a food bank, never attended a clothes bank, but still, after one of our own lays bear his real time experience, you still quote thousands of people abusing the system, without any evidence whatsoever bar the odd TV programme.. Goodness me. Every single day cases of benefit fraud are heard in the courts and reported on. I'm not spending my Friday night providing you with loads of links - search for them yourself. If you think that's false and everyone on benefit is in that situation through no fault of their own fair enough. Head in sand will never solve our disfunctional society. You criticised me the other day for providing an opinion based on my own experience of the NHS rather than "facts" or "evidence" yet here you are using the "real time experience" of someone else to support your opinion. You seem to change your own Gaschat rule book whenever it suits.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 29, 2019 20:35:15 GMT
I went looking for "When you are in a hole..." meme and found this: Rather covers all bases I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:43:04 GMT
I went looking for "When you are in a hole..." meme and found this: Rather covers all bases I think. That made me laugh.🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 20:48:03 GMT
I went looking for "When you are in a hole..." meme and found this: Rather covers all bases I think. You could plant Blair or Brown's magic money tree in that hole on the right. Alternatively, perhaps the hole is the secret hiding place where Blair hid his accidentally shredded expenses paperwork!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 22:02:58 GMT
With respect, I recently found myself out of work for a year after being laid off out of the blue at Christmas. Despite a previously exemplary career history I was treated like a leper by all and sundry, living on £2 a day at one point to clothe myself and provide a healthy diet whilst trying to fend off the onset of depression with each rejection letter. It's at times like that you experience first hand the disdain and contempt with which this country treats it's unemployed and it doesn't matter if you have never been in 'the system' before, the minute you are the machinery of government and it's citizens judge you the same as these caricatures on the TV. In fact I must obviously have been doing something wrong because there was no 42 inch TV for me, only a fight to survive. Every. Single. Damn. Day. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. You would have seen a different side to life if a TV company had come round and filmed a documentary about me. But they didn't, because seeing people genuinely struggling to survive is not a ratings winner compared with the stereotypical cast of 'scallywags' that these bull**** documentaries throw up with their 42 inch TVs etc. It's pure pantomime designed specifically to stir the righteous ire of the middle class and keep the country deeply divided- neither side with any empathy for the other. And judging by the way people (such as yourself) seem to be using these caricatures as your reference point when contemplating the unemployed it is succeeding in that job very very well. Goodness me, your experience burns through in your words. I sincerely hope your situation is resolved. Good luck. Thanks, yeah it’s all sorted now - after complaining to everyone who would listen that I am a bloody hard worker if given the chance I eventually got a 6 month temp job doing basic admin in a stock brokers during tax year end last year. A contact from my old job was since able to make me an offer to be a junior web developer for him so I’ve made a comeback (of sorts!). What was both a point of pride and absolutely maddening to the point of rage was when, on my last day at the stock brokers my boss told my colleagues that losing me would be like losing an arm. It was proof, for me, that my unemployment had very little to do with me and everything to do with the flawed process of finding a job which saw me constantly overlooked and rejected for jobs where I could have made a similar impact. My point is: There are good people that find themselves out of work all the time. No-one is owed a job and we would all do well to remember that when we cast judgement on the unemployed thanks to the trash that they put on TV that tries to teach us all that anyone unemployed is unemployed through choice and part of some feckless generation of wastrels. They are out there, but I do not agree that the issue is anywhere near as big as these TV shows make out. Most people can’t survive on the dole, it was hard enough for me let alone if I had mouths to feed so all this people having the time of their lives stuff is either lies or they are substantially funding their dole lifestyle through (most likely) illegal means. For most honest citizens the dole is an endless nightmare of being one step away from sleeping on the streets and being in the most vulnerable position anyone can possibly find themselves in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 22:18:00 GMT
Goodness me, your experience burns through in your words. I sincerely hope your situation is resolved. Good luck. Thanks, yeah it’s all sorted now - after complaining to everyone who would listen that I am a bloody hard worker if given the chance I eventually got a 6 month temp job doing basic admin in a stock brokers during tax year end last year. A contact from my old job was since able to make me an offer to be a junior web developer for him so I’ve made a comeback (of sorts!). What was both a point of pride and absolutely maddening to the point of rage was when, on my last day at the stock brokers my boss told my colleagues that losing me would be like losing an arm. It was proof, for me, that my unemployment had very little to do with me and everything to do with the flawed process of finding a job which saw me constantly overlooked and rejected for jobs where I could have made a similar impact. My point is: There are good people that find themselves out of work all the time. No-one is owed a job and we would all do well to remember that when we cast judgement on the unemployed thanks to the trash that they put on TV that tries to teach us all that anyone unemployed is unemployed through choice and part of some feckless generation of wastrels. They are out there, but I do not agree that the issue is anywhere near as big as these TV shows make out. Most people can’t survive on the dole, it was hard enough for me let alone if I had mouths to feed so all this people having the time of their lives stuff is either lies or they are substantially funding their dole lifestyle through (most likely) illegal means. For most honest citizens the dole is an endless nightmare of being one step away from sleeping on the streets and being in the most vulnerable position anyone can possibly find themselves in. Yes. I agree with you.
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Post by aghast on Mar 29, 2019 22:22:10 GMT
Austerity was just the code word for all the public spending cuts the Tories had been itching to make for decades.
They had never been able to do it before because it would have been too unpopular, but the global financial crisis originated by the USA gave them their long-awaited chance, and they were able to pin the blame on Gordon Brown whilst dabbing their eyes in mock sorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 22:45:45 GMT
Austerity was just the code word for all the public spending cuts the Tories had been itching to make for decades. They had never been able to do it before because it would have been too unpopular, but the global financial crisis originated by the USA gave them their long-awaited chance, and they were able to pin the blame on Gordon Brown whilst dabbing their eyes in mock sorrow. Seriously? Do you think the Conservative party really sat there for years waiting to get back in power just so they could exert some weird sadistic attack on the poor?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 30, 2019 5:27:38 GMT
Austerity was just the code word for all the public spending cuts the Tories had been itching to make for decades. They had never been able to do it before because it would have been too unpopular, but the global financial crisis originated by the USA gave them their long-awaited chance, and they were able to pin the blame on Gordon Brown whilst dabbing their eyes in mock sorrow. Seriously? Do you think the Conservative party really sat there for years waiting to get back in power just so they could exert some weird sadistic attack on the poor? Yes
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Post by baggins on Mar 30, 2019 6:01:37 GMT
That's a Private Health Care Group? That then sued the NHS? Am I reading that right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 6:52:40 GMT
Austerity was just the code word for all the public spending cuts the Tories had been itching to make for decades. They had never been able to do it before because it would have been too unpopular, but the global financial crisis originated by the USA gave them their long-awaited chance, and they were able to pin the blame on Gordon Brown whilst dabbing their eyes in mock sorrow. Correct. It was ideologically driven, based upon the economic theories of Friedrich Hayek, the same theories that Rees-Mogg embraces.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 8:10:35 GMT
That's a Private Health Care Group? That then sued the NHS? Am I reading that right? Yep. Richard Branson did indeed sue the NHS, and I think he won.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 9:06:10 GMT
That's a Private Health Care Group? That then sued the NHS? Am I reading that right? Yep. Richard Branson did indeed sue the NHS, and I think he won. The actuality Virgin Care sued the NHS last year after it lost out on an £82m contract to provide children’s health services across Surrey, citing concerns over “serious flaws” in the way the contract was awarded. More Tory incompetence.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 30, 2019 10:17:36 GMT
Yep. Richard Branson did indeed sue the NHS, and I think he won. The actuality Virgin Care sued the NHS last year after it lost out on an £82m contract to provide children’s health services across Surrey, citing concerns over “serious flaws” in the way the contract was awarded. More Tory incompetence. Not sure on details about whether it was the CCG procurement that f**ked up or the Gov. Will try and find out.
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Post by aghast on Mar 30, 2019 11:15:21 GMT
Austerity was just the code word for all the public spending cuts the Tories had been itching to make for decades. They had never been able to do it before because it would have been too unpopular, but the global financial crisis originated by the USA gave them their long-awaited chance, and they were able to pin the blame on Gordon Brown whilst dabbing their eyes in mock sorrow. Seriously? Do you think the Conservative party really sat there for years waiting to get back in power just so they could exert some weird sadistic attack on the poor? Yes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 12:01:22 GMT
Seriously? Do you think the Conservative party really sat there for years waiting to get back in power just so they could exert some weird sadistic attack on the poor? Yes What he said.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 30, 2019 12:31:57 GMT
Austerity was just the code word for all the public spending cuts the Tories had been itching to make for decades. They had never been able to do it before because it would have been too unpopular, but the global financial crisis originated by the USA gave them their long-awaited chance, and they were able to pin the blame on Gordon Brown whilst dabbing their eyes in mock sorrow. Seriously? Do you think the Conservative party really sat there for years waiting to get back in power just so they could exert some weird sadistic attack on the poor? Yes 100% !!. The Tory party have always had an issue with public servants and used their own power to make huge massive cuts. For example: up and down the country we had a youth service working along side faith groups : boys clubs : voluntary sector and the Police service all slashed. This model worked really well in tackling anti social behaviour and building relationships. The Tories ( thinking it was funny) cut the Police budgets : closed Youth centres and slashed voluntary sector budgets. We have NO youth centre in the inner city I came from anymore or Boys clubs. We have hardly any Police ( who have been scapegoated ) and recruiting in the public sector is at standstill. It's very disingenuous for a Tory to deny this. The only reason Tories are now doing a u-turn is that research strongly shows that massive cuts have contributed to our problems. For goodness sake we need a strong Police force / Military defence along with community workers at grassroots level. Sadly: the Tories have cocked everything up and will end up paying a lot more to re-train and recruit.
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