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Classic. What has political discourse come to when we have to read utter drivel like this. Jesus Christ. You need help, Les. Your insults are starting to outweigh your arguements.
Seems to me, you`re in a pretty dark place right now.
Fear not William. I am not insulting Eric as a person, I am deriding his post. It is what it is, drivel. And Eric, I am not using homelessness as a political football. I am pointing out that Government policies have real life consequences. Sometimes those consequences can take years to materialise. Austerity was a deliberate act by the current party in power, one whereby those that were not a causal factor in the financial crash of 2008 were most likely to be hurt the most. So it comes to pass. People dying on the streets Schools unable recruit sufficient staff or even buy books for our kids Police force unable to sufficiently man it's required rotas A health service which in a few short years appears to have reversed the positive gains made up to 2010 Kids excluded from school with no place to go Knife crime rampant I could go on, but you get the idea. And please Eric, before you 're quote the Daily Mail headline on public debt, do a bit of research. What was public debt as % of GDP in 1997, and what was it 2007. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 12, 2019 11:39:32 GMT
For what it's worth I think both parties have not done enough to tackle homelessness.
As ever, it's never about the headlines though.
What are the causes of homelessness? It isn't always as simple as lack of money.
Is housing affordable?
Are there enough jobs?
What state are mental health services in?
What are the effects of drug and alcohol use?
Are family units still functioning?
Is academic education working?
Is social education working?
Why aren't homeless shelters and halfway houses considered safe by those who need to use them?
Are private landlords really suitable to fill the gaps in social housing?
Is enough being done to create spaces in social housing?
It's really not a simple fix and I for one have no answers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 12:09:11 GMT
For what it's worth I think both parties have not done enough to tackle homelessness. As ever, it's never about the headlines though. What are the causes of homelessness? It isn't always as simple as lack of money. Is housing affordable? Are there enough jobs? What state are mental health services in? What are the effects of drug and alcohol use? Are family units still functioning? Is academic education working? Is social education working? Why aren't homeless shelters and halfway houses considered safe by those who need to use them? Are private landlords really suitable to fill the gaps in social housing? Is enough being done to create spaces in social housing? It's really not a simple fix and I for one have no answers. Very good post. There is no single answer and to attempt to blame the current government is pretty lame. Homelessness happens in every country, every major city etc. It is not just a British thing. There are many many ways in which people can already get help, but sometimes, and personally I don't know why, some people just don't want any help. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 12:14:44 GMT
For what it's worth I think both parties have not done enough to tackle homelessness. As ever, it's never about the headlines though. What are the causes of homelessness? It isn't always as simple as lack of money. Is housing affordable? Are there enough jobs? What state are mental health services in? What are the effects of drug and alcohol use? Are family units still functioning? Is academic education working? Is social education working? Why aren't homeless shelters and halfway houses considered safe by those who need to use them? Are private landlords really suitable to fill the gaps in social housing? Is enough being done to create spaces in social housing? It's really not a simple fix and I for one have no answers. Good points and totally agree there are so many factors although some would have you believe it's just a deliberate act of nastiness by those evil Tories |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 14:36:56 GMT
For what it's worth I think both parties have not done enough to tackle homelessness. As ever, it's never about the headlines though. What are the causes of homelessness? It isn't always as simple as lack of money. Is housing affordable? Are there enough jobs? What state are mental health services in? What are the effects of drug and alcohol use? Are family units still functioning? Is academic education working? Is social education working? Why aren't homeless shelters and halfway houses considered safe by those who need to use them? Are private landlords really suitable to fill the gaps in social housing? Is enough being done to create spaces in social housing? It's really not a simple fix and I for one have no answers. Good points and totally agree there are so many factors although some would have you believe it's just a deliberate act of nastiness by those evil Tories Would all be true, except for those pesky facts "Homelessness charities said the figures, up 169% since 2010, were a catastrophe and a scandal." www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/25/rough-sleeper-numbers-in-england-rise-for-seventh-year-runningThat was a year ago. What's the betting it's got worse since then? |
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Good piece on austerity Britain is trapped in the purposeless austerity that gave us Brexit flip.it/vafbwy |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 13, 2019 15:59:01 GMT
Good piece on austerity Britain is trapped in the purposeless austerity that gave us Brexit flip.it/vafbwyIf I wanted genuine facts, I`d steer well clear of both the Mail and the Guardian.
Both have their agendas. Both have their reasons for printing what they do, which may not always include the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 17:26:22 GMT
Good piece on austerity Britain is trapped in the purposeless austerity that gave us Brexit flip.it/vafbwyIf I wanted genuine facts, I`d steer well clear of both the Mail and the Guardian.
Both have their agendas. Both have their reasons for printing what they do, which may not always include the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
I agree in principle. So I read the article, wherever it's printed, first and then decide. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:21:04 GMT
4 million kids living in poverty.
500,000 up since 2012.
1 in 3 pre school kids living in poverty.
And that's before leavers f**k the economy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:44:27 GMT
4 million kids living in poverty. 500,000 up since 2012. 1 in 3 pre school kids living in poverty. And that's before leavers f**k the economy. What is the definition of poverty these days? I'm sure billions around the world would love a living standard equal to our "poverty". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 22:34:38 GMT
4 million kids living in poverty. 500,000 up since 2012. 1 in 3 pre school kids living in poverty. And that's before leavers f**k the economy. What is the definition of poverty these days? I'm sure billions around the world would love a living standard equal to our "poverty". Go to a food, or clothes bank, to ask. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 9:01:33 GMT
What is the definition of poverty these days? I'm sure billions around the world would love a living standard equal to our "poverty". Go to a food, or clothes bank, to ask. A proper analysis would involve looking at why they are at the food bank. How much of their disposable income is spent on 43 inch tv's, Sky/cable subscription, tattoos, alcohol, cigarettes? Anyone losing their job and falling on hard times have my sympathy but what about the thousands who choose a life on benefit and still choose to start a family? I know it's a basic 'human right' to start a family but surely they have to take responsibility for their situation rather than expect society to fund their chosen lifestyle. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 9:18:36 GMT
Go to a food, or clothes bank, to ask. A proper analysis would involve looking at why they are at the food bank. How much of their disposable income is spent on 43 inch tv's, Sky/cable subscription, tattoos, alcohol, cigarettes? Anyone losing their job and falling on hard times have my sympathy but what about the thousands who choose a life on benefit and still choose to start a family? I know it's a basic 'human right' to start a family but surely they have to take responsibility for their situation rather than expect society to fund their chosen lifestyle. May I respectfully suggest that this Daily Mail view of people who use food and clothes banks is wholly inaccurate. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 9:28:33 GMT
A proper analysis would involve looking at why they are at the food bank. How much of their disposable income is spent on 43 inch tv's, Sky/cable subscription, tattoos, alcohol, cigarettes? Anyone losing their job and falling on hard times have my sympathy but what about the thousands who choose a life on benefit and still choose to start a family? I know it's a basic 'human right' to start a family but surely they have to take responsibility for their situation rather than expect society to fund their chosen lifestyle. May I respectfully suggest that this Daily Mail view of people who use food and clothes banks is wholly inaccurate. I've never bought or read The Mail. I've not visited a food bank but have seen a number of documentaries from BBC and Ch4 fearturing interviews with users and don't think my view is too far from the mark. Next Wednesday's benefit documentary featuring a family called the Kerrigans will be worth watching for an insight into today's benefit culture. |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 29, 2019 9:42:36 GMT
May I respectfully suggest that this Daily Mail view of people who use food and clothes banks is wholly inaccurate. I've never bought or read The Mail. I've not visited a food bank but have seen a number of documentaries from BBC and Ch4 fearturing interviews with users and don't think my view is too far from the mark. Next Wednesday's benefit documentary featuring a family called the Kerrigans will be worth watching for an insight into today's benefit culture. Well, I shall most certainly be watching. Might get some useful tips.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 9:47:59 GMT
I've never bought or read The Mail. I've not visited a food bank but have seen a number of documentaries from BBC and Ch4 fearturing interviews with users and don't think my view is too far from the mark. Next Wednesday's benefit documentary featuring a family called the Kerrigans will be worth watching for an insight into today's benefit culture. Well, I shall most certainly be watching. Might get some useful tips.
If you learn how to get £50k per annum like that family then I don't blame you for tuning in. The programme was about obese people on benefits this week. One portly couple weighing over 50 stone between them were on a part state funded diet club. The 30 stone chap lost 1lb in a week and celebrated by ordering a kebab from his local takeaway - with whom he was mysteriously on first name terms!!!! |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 29, 2019 9:57:33 GMT
May I respectfully suggest that this Daily Mail view of people who use food and clothes banks is wholly inaccurate. I've never bought or read The Mail. I've not visited a food bank but have seen a number of documentaries from BBC and Ch4 fearturing interviews with users and don't think my view is too far from the mark. Next Wednesday's benefit documentary featuring a family called the Kerrigans will be worth watching for an insight into today's benefit culture. Do you trust a TV show to pick a typical Food Bank user or a family that will provide fodder to make their show appalling to the masses? Food banks only provide food for up to a maximum of 3 visits, generally giving 2 days worth of basic foodstuffs. It's a very different need to that of people who are claiming long term and regular benefits. They really only deal with immediate need and only provide food on referral from a GP, social worker etc. Any of us could find ourselves needing their services and the work they do for desperate people in need should not get lumped in with the general debate around career benefit abuse. I only know a this because I was lucky enough to have the Manager of our local food bank come in one evening to talk to my Cub Scouts about the work they do. It was fascinating and I have to say, I was re-educated on a lot of my own preconceived notions. I've also never know a group of 8-10yr olds stay so quiet and engaged for an hour. It certainly made me change my view of food banks and I always chuck in a tin or 2 of something every week with my shopping. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 10:06:15 GMT
I've never bought or read The Mail. I've not visited a food bank but have seen a number of documentaries from BBC and Ch4 fearturing interviews with users and don't think my view is too far from the mark. Next Wednesday's benefit documentary featuring a family called the Kerrigans will be worth watching for an insight into today's benefit culture. Do you trust a TV show to pick a typical Food Bank user or a family that will provide fodder to make their show appalling to the masses? Food banks only provide food for up to a maximum of 3 visits, generally giving 2 days worth of basic foodstuffs. It's a very different need to that of people who are claiming long term and regular benefits. They really only deal with immediate need and only provide food on referral from a GP, social worker etc. Any of us could find ourselves needing their services and the work they do for desperate people in need should not get lumped in with the general debate around career benefit abuse. I only know a this because I was lucky enough to have the Manager of our local food bank come in one evening to talk to my Cub Scouts about the work they do. It was fascinating and I have to say, I was re-educated on a lot of my own preconceived notions. I've also never know a group of 8-10yr olds stay so quiet and engaged for an hour. It certainly made me change my view of food banks and I always chuck in a tin or 2 of something every week with my shopping. Perhaps some proper analysis needs to be done on why people are using the food banks? I suspect the majority are long term benefit recipients who chose to start a family expecting the state to fund it. Like I said earlier anyone who has fallen on hard times, such as losing their job or becoming genuinely ill, have my every sympathy. Im not some heartless bar steward. My view on benefit is that it it's great benefit to society, particularly when people have genuine illness or long term disability. Those in that bracket should receive twice as much as they current do. The issue for me is that rather than a "last resort" benefit has become a lifestyle choice for many and we are now one or two generations down a line where that is seen as an acceptable choice. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 29, 2019 11:07:07 GMT
Do you trust a TV show to pick a typical Food Bank user or a family that will provide fodder to make their show appalling to the masses? Food banks only provide food for up to a maximum of 3 visits, generally giving 2 days worth of basic foodstuffs. It's a very different need to that of people who are claiming long term and regular benefits. They really only deal with immediate need and only provide food on referral from a GP, social worker etc. Any of us could find ourselves needing their services and the work they do for desperate people in need should not get lumped in with the general debate around career benefit abuse. I only know a this because I was lucky enough to have the Manager of our local food bank come in one evening to talk to my Cub Scouts about the work they do. It was fascinating and I have to say, I was re-educated on a lot of my own preconceived notions. I've also never know a group of 8-10yr olds stay so quiet and engaged for an hour. It certainly made me change my view of food banks and I always chuck in a tin or 2 of something every week with my shopping. Perhaps some proper analysis needs to be done on why people are using the food banks? I suspect the majority are long term benefit recipients who chose to start a family expecting the state to fund it. Like I said earlier anyone who has fallen on hard times, such as losing their job or becoming genuinely ill, have my every sympathy. Im not some heartless bar steward. My view on benefit is that it it's great benefit to society, particularly when people have genuine illness or long term disability. Those in that bracket should receive twice as much as they current do. The issue for me is that rather than a "last resort" benefit has become a lifestyle choice for many and we are now one or two generations down a line where that is seen as an acceptable choice. Interesting that on the NHS debate with OB, you preferred real world experience to in-depth analysis he posted yet on food banks you prefer an in depth analysis to real world experience. Have I missed something? |
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