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Post by Gas-Ed on Mar 26, 2019 23:04:44 GMT
Just got home.
We paid the price for a shocking first 30mins where we couldn’t get near Doncaster. They scored their 3 first half goals with ease. THD was all over the place and looked like a kid against their right winger, who was nothing special. We looked a bit brighter for spells in the second half but it was too little too late. In hindsight, a backs to the wall type of performance to earn a point would have been sensible. Playing 3 strikers backfired.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 26, 2019 23:07:27 GMT
Oh well, it was only a game in hand, and they don't count. Well that one didn't.
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Post by wertongas on Mar 26, 2019 23:09:45 GMT
GC clearly made a tactical mistake tonight, before the match Doncaster supporters were saying that the midfield was their weakness I thought GC would pack our midfield to win the midfield battle, instead he played three strikers which played into Doncasters hands. Always thought it would be a tough game but GC didn't help things. Looking at the teams below us fixtures, still think 52 points will see us safe, we need to get those points before the Fleetwood game.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 26, 2019 23:19:49 GMT
Just got home. We paid the price for a shocking first 30mins where we couldn’t get near Doncaster. They scored their 3 first half goals with ease. THD was all over the place and looked like a kid against their right winger, who was nothing special. We looked a bit brighter for spells in the second half but it was too little too late. In hindsight, a backs to the wall type of performance to earn a point would have been sensible. Playing 3 strikers backfired. Tbh it was all over after 12 minutes we needed to keep it tight early on to have a chance there. Doesn't look like any lessons were learned from the thrashing they gave us at the Mem.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 23:40:04 GMT
So when we actually look like scoring, GC decides to make subs. Did Doncaster pay him off or something! Are you taking part in a competition for the silliest posts? If you are your easily winning.
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Post by northridinggas on Mar 26, 2019 23:49:17 GMT
I was going to watch on I-follow but my son persuaded me to go tonight, I won't listen to him next time. That was fairly depressing stuff, players didn't seem to know what they were doing, there was no energy or movement and then not to change it at half time was just bizarre. I would revert to our winning formula for Saturday, get Kelly back and let's stick with Tom up front with JCH, that is undoubtedly our best combination.
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Post by socrates on Mar 26, 2019 23:56:54 GMT
So move him forward and put Kelly behind him, as I suggested pre-match, I would have thought that was a better option than bringing in both Reilly & Jak, tonight was a game to go 4-4-2 to match Donny not some strange line up with 3 CM's & 3 strikers. I understand why GC went for it -Donnie on a big wobble with no wins in 7 BUT you need your keeper and defenders to be sharp - they were the complete opposite ! Nobody looked sharp but the service to our forwards was atrocious. I like the screen of three defensive midfielders but if we have that we’ve got to have an attacking creative midfielder in front of them. No point in playing three out and out strikers in front because there will be no link between midfield and attack as we’ve seen tonight. Doncaster played between the lines of def- mid and mid- att all night and we’re a class above because of it. Cogs tactics were embarrassing tonight and the players tried their best but it clearly wasn’t working and I was shouting out for him to change it even before the second went in , it was clear we were on our way to a battering. Amazing that he didn’t change it until over an hour was gone then just replaced like with like , Sinclair - upson , Psrts - Clarke wtf ? How is that going to have a positive effect on a badly worked tactic that had massively failed for 70 minutes? He’s got it right more than he’s got it wrong but f**k me did he get it wrong tonight.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 27, 2019 0:08:59 GMT
I understand why GC went for it -Donnie on a big wobble with no wins in 7 BUT you need your keeper and defenders to be sharp - they were the complete opposite ! Nobody looked sharp but the service to our forwards was atrocious. I like the screen of three defensive midfielders but if we have that we’ve got to have an attacking creative midfielder in front of them. No point in playing three out and out strikers in front because there will be no link between midfield and attack as we’ve seen tonight. Doncaster played between the lines of def- mid and mid- att all night and we’re a class above because of it. Cogs tactics were embarrassing tonight and the players tried their best but it clearly wasn’t working and I was shouting out for him to change it even before the second went in , it was clear we were on our way to a battering. Amazing that he didn’t change it until over an hour was gone then just replaced like with like , Sinclair - upson , Psrts - Clarke wtf ? How is that going to have a positive effect on a badly worked tactic that had massively failed for 70 minutes? He’s got it right more than he’s got it wrong but f**k me did he get it wrong tonight. Couldn’t have put it better myself.
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Post by Squiffy on Mar 27, 2019 0:10:41 GMT
He is a great player but looks very suspect defensively. Going forward he is a very, very good player. So move him forward and put Kelly behind him, as I suggested pre-match, I would have thought that was a better option than bringing in both Reilly & Jak, tonight was a game to go 4-4-2 to match Donny not some strange line up with 3 CM's & 3 strikers. I reckon GC must have watched the pre-Montenegro interview with Southgate where he described the “evolution” of England’s formation from a 3-5-2 at the World Cup to the current 4-3-3 to allow themselves more attacking freedom now that the team has greater confidence. GC took a gamble tonight, partly to rotate the squad with an eye on Saturday’s game at home to the league leaders, and partly because he wanted to try different options when there would be no immediate consequence to the league position. Unfortunately his “project’ backfired, however he did warn us there would be bumps in the road and I have every confidence that he will get us enough points by the end of the season.
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Post by socrates on Mar 27, 2019 0:15:56 GMT
So move him forward and put Kelly behind him, as I suggested pre-match, I would have thought that was a better option than bringing in both Reilly & Jak, tonight was a game to go 4-4-2 to match Donny not some strange line up with 3 CM's & 3 strikers. I reckon GC must have watched the pre-Montenegro interview with Southgate where he described the “evolution” of England’s formation from a 3-5-2 at the World Cup to the current 4-3-3 to allow themselves more attacking freedom now that the team has greater confidence. GC took a gamble tonight, partly to rotate the squad with an eye on Saturday’s game at home to the league leaders, and partly because he wanted to try different options when there would be no immediate consequence to the league position. Unfortunately his “project’ backfired, however he did warn us there would be bumps in the road and I have every confidence that he will get us enough points by the end of the season. I’ve got no doubt he’s a great motivator, I wanted him to see us through to the end of the season during his caretaker role but how on earth he stuck with that tonight and didn’t change it is beyond me and has left me a bit worried about his tactical sense to be honest. Anyway like I’ve said he’s done bloody well so far overall I’m just gutted he changed it so much and it went so terribly wrong tonight. Worried now though, lose to Luton and we’re right in the poo and on a bad run.
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Post by axegas on Mar 27, 2019 1:10:35 GMT
I reckon GC must have watched the pre-Montenegro interview with Southgate where he described the “evolution” of England’s formation from a 3-5-2 at the World Cup to the current 4-3-3 to allow themselves more attacking freedom now that the team has greater confidence. GC took a gamble tonight, partly to rotate the squad with an eye on Saturday’s game at home to the league leaders, and partly because he wanted to try different options when there would be no immediate consequence to the league position. Unfortunately his “project’ backfired, however he did warn us there would be bumps in the road and I have every confidence that he will get us enough points by the end of the season. I’ve got no doubt he’s a great motivator, I wanted him to see us through to the end of the season during his caretaker role but how on earth he stuck with that tonight and didn’t change it is beyond me and has left me a bit worried about his tactical sense to be honest. Anyway like I’ve said he’s done bloody well so far overall I’m just gutted he changed it so much and it went so terribly wrong tonight. Worried now though, lose to Luton and we’re right in the poo and on a bad run. He got it wrong tonight admittedly but he must have a bit of tactical sense as we were 5 unbeaten in the league before tonight. For me, where he went wrong was he tried to change a system that was working for him, perhaps we got too confident about our form away from home but I was worried the moment I saw the team sheet because logic and reason would suggest a relegation threatened team playing 3 strikers away to a promotion chasing side isn’t exactly a recipe for success. Our biggest downfall however came from our soft defending and our midfields inability to get the slightest grip of the game which killed the game after 30 minutes, it looked as if we were still on the team coach. Had we managed to ride out the storm of a Doncaster team, who to be fair to them did come flying out the traps, we may have managed to get something, we aren’t a million miles off competing with top 6 teams. My suggestion for Saturday against Luton would be to go back to the diamond formation which has served us well over the couple of home games, play Kelly at full back and use THD’s attacking play to our advantage and don’t sit too deep against a dangerous Luton side, instead try to give service to the two strikers so that Clarke-Harris can continue his excellent run in front of goal. We aren’t far off securing our place in L1 next year, we just have to put in a few big performances when it matters.
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 27, 2019 3:30:30 GMT
Let’s not do that again
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Post by thegasareback on Mar 27, 2019 6:34:17 GMT
THD was nursing a knock and on a yellow. Sub made perfect sense. Don’t need suspensions at this stage of the season. Donny showed massive defensive frailties, we could also have had 4 or 5. I worry Walsall could expose these. They were always going to dominate possession but we conceded goals that we haven’t seen, since, well the reverse fixture. No panic stations, back to another bonus game on Saturday. Now isn’t the time to criticise or point fingers. The players wil need us there on Saturday and I’ll be cheering them on, especially Ollie. Did we just watch the same game? We couldn't have had 4 or 5 over the entire season against Doncaster We had two golden chances before half time with reilly one on one and the scramble from the free kick. Second half we should have had another penalty and the rare times we went forward we did actually look dangerous. So for us to play so dismally and still create, for me with the improvement Walsall have shown recently, they will definitely create chances up there. I know donny took the foot off the gas but I saw lots of opportunity and spaces which makes last night even more frustrating.
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Post by cookinongas on Mar 27, 2019 6:38:50 GMT
Well thank goodness that is over At least we drew the second half 1-1 lol Let’s bounce back on saturday Dust ourselves down and go again!!
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 27, 2019 7:10:25 GMT
I was going to watch on I-follow but my son persuaded me to go tonight, I won't listen to him next time. That was fairly depressing stuff, players didn't seem to know what they were doing, there was no energy or movement and then not to change it at half time was just bizarre. I would revert to our winning formula for Saturday, get Kelly back and let's stick with Tom up front with JCH, that is undoubtedly our best combination. Absolutely. Even if Nichols can`t score to save his life, he does seem to be on the same wavelength as Harris. If he can help JCH to get the goals to keep us up, that`ll do me, even if he doesn`t score another one himself..
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Post by socrates on Mar 27, 2019 7:47:16 GMT
I was going to watch on I-follow but my son persuaded me to go tonight, I won't listen to him next time. That was fairly depressing stuff, players didn't seem to know what they were doing, there was no energy or movement and then not to change it at half time was just bizarre. I would revert to our winning formula for Saturday, get Kelly back and let's stick with Tom up front with JCH, that is undoubtedly our best combination. Absolutely. Even if Nichols can`t score to save his life, he does seem to be on the same wavelength as Harris. If he can help JCH to get the goals to keep us up, that`ll do me, even if he doesn`t score another one himself..
We do certainly play better when he’s on the pitch. Mainly because he plays in between the lines, likewise Serconbe when he’s in the middle and also lines too. Not having any of those three last night meant we had 4 defenders 3 defensive midfielders and three strikers with nobody linking any of it up. Awful night for the Gas I feel sorry for those that made the long trip.
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Post by Rod1883 on Mar 27, 2019 7:47:35 GMT
I f you can't pass the ball to a team mate then no formation will help you.I thought our best 3 players were - jak, Reily and JCH - who all did pretty well with what they got - the rest were f**king awful !! We’ll have to agree to disagree then. I thought Reilly was completely ineffective, likewise Jak in the first half but he did get involved a bit more in the second. JCH was our best player but every time he won a ball in the air it was to nobody because the midfield were too deep and the other two up top were nowhere near him. At least with the usual system he has Nichols playing off him and Sercs at the top of the diamond to offer support as well.There in a couple of sentences is the issue last night. I'm sure GC must realise this - send him a note someone in case not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 8:07:19 GMT
THD was nursing a knock and on a yellow. Sub made perfect sense. Don’t need suspensions at this stage of the season. Donny showed massive defensive frailties, we could also have had 4 or 5. I worry Walsall could expose these. They were always going to dominate possession but we conceded goals that we haven’t seen, since, well the reverse fixture. No panic stations, back to another bonus game on Saturday. Now isn’t the time to criticise or point fingers. The players wil need us there on Saturday and I’ll be cheering them on, especially Ollie. Did we just watch the same game? We couldn't have had 4 or 5 over the entire season against Doncaster Totally agree. Would not be unfair in my opinion to say Donny should have scored at least eight last night.
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Post by socrates on Mar 27, 2019 8:30:04 GMT
Yeah we were lucky to lose 4-1 . Not a good night but at least Nichols and sercombe should be fresh for Saturday where we’ll have to play a million times better to avoid another hammering.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 27, 2019 8:42:49 GMT
Well it's now all about how we react against Luton. I can accept a loss, but not a drubbing.
Another 2/3+ goal loss will put us in a really bad place for the final few games, especially as other teams have part ways with their managers
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