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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 21:17:17 GMT
24hrs ago you were saying we might stay up, today we lose 2-1 to the runaway leaders and we're relegated. Makes sense. If you quoted the whole "might stay up" post you would see that it was not at all optimistic. But you knew that already,probably. Unless your thick? Don’t have a pop at me cos you change your opinion like a DC starting XI You say we’ve gone from ‘might stay up’ to relegated in one day. After narrowly losing to top of the league. What am I missing? |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 30, 2019 21:17:48 GMT
Just got back so haven’t read thread. Results seemed to go for us today like last week so losing wasn’t the end of the world. And Luton were a good side. They closed us down and were on the front foot and used the wings well but we never really got at them to threaten their defence, JCH apart at the end of the first half. I hope we can battle out the points we need to stay up and I think we probably will but we will need to get some creativity into the side for home games. I thought our defence was ok although the full blacks were never a threat to their defence. JC played well but he was never a threat to them and rarely got forward. TC and TL played well and kept their attack out except on the goals when the threat came from the wings and not clearing a ball. But our midfield was poor imo. Sercombe didn’t turn up and I’m presuming he’s gone already and as he’s the most creative player we were always going to struggle to create. Upson was the pick and protected our defence manfully and tried to get things going but Ollie C played poorly. Thankfully we’ve got JCH who is a real threat. That goal was fantastic, I don’t think he scores ordinary goals, just a shame he didn’t score from the only chance in the second half. And tbh for all his strengths he’s not the strongest player in the air but his touch and footwork is very very good.
But GC said we would battle out results and today I couldnt criticise the effort or the work rate. In the second half we really battled and stayed in the match and the tactics sort of worked insofar as JCH had that chance and we could have stolen a point. But at the end what struck me most was 5he big difference between the sides. Luton, as you would expect for a club unbeaten for 19 games played with pace, energy and expected to win. We battled, looked outplayed at times but hung in there and nearly got something but never passed with any confidence or risked putting players into their box in case we got caught.
Blimey the games against Bradford, AFCW and Rochdale have just become even more important after just 2 point sfrom 4 matches.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 21:20:39 GMT
If you quoted the whole "might stay up" post you would see that it was not at all optimistic. But you knew that already,probably. Unless your thick? So because we narrowly lost to the run away league leaders you've gone from "might stay up" to "we'll get relegated", given we're 3pts clear of the bottom 4, most likely 4 pts with our GD, we really just need to win one home game and pick up points in most of the other games to avoid the drop, if we can't manage that then we deserve to go down. The "might stay up" post in full "The way the team is set up and the fact that we usually play with 4 central midfield players[3 defensive minded] means outlets for a pass are chronically limited. But of course when GC changed the set up we got hammered. I just think we are a really poor side who might somehow stay up." I would argue my position hasn't changed and in fact we might somehow stay up,i just doubt we will. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 21:22:55 GMT
If you quoted the whole "might stay up" post you would see that it was not at all optimistic. But you knew that already,probably. Unless your thick? Don’t have a pop at me cos you change your opinion like a DC starting XI You say we’ve gone from ‘might stay up’ to relegated in one day. After narrowly losing to top of the league. What am I missing? I put the whole post on here now. |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 30, 2019 21:26:30 GMT
Bennett, Matthews & Lines were all poor under DC it's not all down to GC. Plus getting Bennett off the wage bill may well have paid for JCH's wages Very good shout re freeing up for JCH wages. I agree too that all three have been poor this season, but then Bennett was never played with an overlapping full back (like Lee Brown, who he excelled alongside)...playing with THD may have made a difference there. With Lines, he is the only creative midfielder in the squad. He's been poor this season yes, but then again he's not had the run in the side that Sercombe has, and he's also been terrible this year. Bottom line for me is that we don't need three of Upson, Ogogo, Clarke and Sinclair in the starting eleven. Two yes, but we need creativity too. All we have in that regard is lump it to JCH and hope he makes something of it. Fortunately, he has often done so!Spot on. It’s just too defensive and although I didn’t count I bet we didn’t get into their area too often except for corners. A battling performance but we really are dependent upon JCH. And he doesn’t score tap ins, all his goals are worldies which is getting remarkable. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 30, 2019 21:38:08 GMT
Not a single fit player comfortable attacking down the flanks and only 2 at the club at all. Were so pedestrian in midfield. I actually believe we will get relegated. I know what you mean about attacking them down the flanks, we didn’t. I’m getting nervous about so much resting on the Bradford, AFCW and Rochdale matches. We will need to create more than we did today. And it’s so close at the bottom that I’ve no idea if we’ll go down or stay up. Too close to call. I’m just glad others are more confident! UTG! |
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Post by socrates on Mar 30, 2019 21:51:58 GMT
Just got back so haven’t read thread. Results seemed to go for us today like last week so losing wasn’t the end of the world. And Luton were a good side. They closed us down and were on the front foot and used the wings well but we never really got at them to threaten their defence, JCH apart at the end of the first half. I hope we can battle out the points we need to stay up and I think we probably will but we will need to get some creativity into the side for home games. I thought our defence was ok although the full blacks were never a threat to their defence. JC played well but he was never a threat to them and rarely got forward. TC and TL played well and kept their attack out except on the goals when the threat came from the wings and not clearing a ball. But our midfield was poor imo. Sercombe didn’t turn up and I’m presuming he’s gone already and as he’s the most creative player we were always going to struggle to create. Upson was the pick and protected our defence manfully and tried to get things going but Ollie C played poorly. Thankfully we’ve got JCH who is a real threat. That goal was fantastic, I don’t think he scores ordinary goals, just a shame he didn’t score from the only chance in the second half. And tbh for all his strengths he’s not the strongest player in the air but his touch and footwork is very very good. But GC said we would battle out results and today I couldnt criticise the effort or the work rate. In the second half we really battled and stayed in the match and the tactics sort of worked insofar as JCH had that chance and we could have stolen a point. But at the end what struck me most was 5he big difference between the sides. Luton, as you would expect for a club unbeaten for 19 games played with pace, energy and expected to win. We battled, looked outplayed at times but hung in there and nearly got something but never passed with any confidence or risked putting players into their box in case we got caught. Blimey the games against Bradford, AFCW and Rochdale have just become even more important after just 2 point sfrom 4 matches. UTG! Yeah that’s how I saw it but if we play and battle as well as that over the next six games then I reckon we’ll pick up enough points. Luton are flying but they know they were in a game today. We need Chris lines in that midfield for the three remaining home games in my opinion. He’s been our playmaker who creates the chances and with him in midfield , Nichols alongside Harris welll create more chances . No point in going defensive in the remaining home games got to go for three points and if chis is fit he needs to play. |
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Post by wilkimania on Mar 30, 2019 22:01:07 GMT
Just got back so haven’t read thread. Results seemed to go for us today like last week so losing wasn’t the end of the world. And Luton were a good side. They closed us down and were on the front foot and used the wings well but we never really got at them to threaten their defence, JCH apart at the end of the first half. I hope we can battle out the points we need to stay up and I think we probably will but we will need to get some creativity into the side for home games. I thought our defence was ok although the full blacks were never a threat to their defence. JC played well but he was never a threat to them and rarely got forward. TC and TL played well and kept their attack out except on the goals when the threat came from the wings and not clearing a ball. But our midfield was poor imo. Sercombe didn’t turn up and I’m presuming he’s gone already and as he’s the most creative player we were always going to struggle to create. Upson was the pick and protected our defence manfully and tried to get things going but Ollie C played poorly. Thankfully we’ve got JCH who is a real threat. That goal was fantastic, I don’t think he scores ordinary goals, just a shame he didn’t score from the only chance in the second half. And tbh for all his strengths he’s not the strongest player in the air but his touch and footwork is very very good. But GC said we would battle out results and today I couldnt criticise the effort or the work rate. In the second half we really battled and stayed in the match and the tactics sort of worked insofar as JCH had that chance and we could have stolen a point. But at the end what struck me most was 5he big difference between the sides. Luton, as you would expect for a club unbeaten for 19 games played with pace, energy and expected to win. We battled, looked outplayed at times but hung in there and nearly got something but never passed with any confidence or risked putting players into their box in case we got caught. Blimey the games against Bradford, AFCW and Rochdale have just become even more important after just 2 point sfrom 4 matches. UTG! Yeah that’s how I saw it but if we play and battle as well as that over the next six games then I reckon we’ll pick up enough points. Luton are flying but they know they were in a game today. We need Chris lines in that midfield for the three remaining home games in my opinion. He’s been our playmaker who creates the chances and with him in midfield , Nichols alongside Harris welll create more chances . No point in going defensive in the remaining home games got to go for three points and if chis is fit he needs to play. I have to ask but why is Chris Lines the answer? He's looked shocking in pretty much every appearance he's played in this season. I love Chris Lines the midfielder of 5 years ago but that is not the player he is now. |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 30, 2019 22:02:39 GMT
Agree socrates, but tbh I’m not sure why Lines isn’t there. A bit like Rodman. We never know about why players are out and whilst I understand reasons it’s a bit frustrating from fans point of view. I just hope you’re right about getting the extra points needed. At least the rest of the teams we play won5 be as good as Luton, Barnsley excepted.
UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 30, 2019 22:11:42 GMT
Yeah that’s how I saw it but if we play and battle as well as that over the next six games then I reckon we’ll pick up enough points. Luton are flying but they know they were in a game today. We need Chris lines in that midfield for the three remaining home games in my opinion. He’s been our playmaker who creates the chances and with him in midfield , Nichols alongside Harris welll create more chances . No point in going defensive in the remaining home games got to go for three points and if chis is fit he needs to play. I have to ask but why is Chris Lines the answer? He's looked shocking in pretty much every appearance he's played in this season. I love Chris Lines the midfielder of 5 years ago but that is not the player he is now. If Lines is the answer then the question must be what players should we release in the summer? |
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Post by socrates on Mar 30, 2019 22:16:29 GMT
Yeah that’s how I saw it but if we play and battle as well as that over the next six games then I reckon we’ll pick up enough points. Luton are flying but they know they were in a game today. We need Chris lines in that midfield for the three remaining home games in my opinion. He’s been our playmaker who creates the chances and with him in midfield , Nichols alongside Harris welll create more chances . No point in going defensive in the remaining home games got to go for three points and if chis is fit he needs to play. I have to ask but why is Chris Lines the answer? He's looked shocking in pretty much every appearance he's played in this season. I love Chris Lines the midfielder of 5 years ago but that is not the player he is now. Last time lines played athome we won and he played well. Our success over the last four years had been built on his creativity in midfield . You say 5 years ago but he’s only been back with us four years and been our top assists all four years. We are massively lacking creativity in midfield. Need I go on ? |
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Post by socrates on Mar 30, 2019 22:20:05 GMT
I have to ask but why is Chris Lines the answer? He's looked shocking in pretty much every appearance he's played in this season. I love Chris Lines the midfielder of 5 years ago but that is not the player he is now. If Lines is the answer then the question must be what players should we release in the summer? Possibly Chris lines as he’s coming to the end of his career but what we’ve lacked this season compared to others at home is creativity and also what we’ve lacked is Chris lines playing regularly. It’s fine leaving a player out if you’ve got a replacement but if you haven’t and play a load of ball winners instead of your only creative player then don’t complain when you don’t create much. That’s how I see it. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 30, 2019 22:20:06 GMT
Think Upson has actually been our best midfielder since GC took over. Think he is often unfairly over criticised in comparison to performances by others. Without a doubt he has been, as for Ollie Clarke and Sercombe, it's anybody's guess what they have been trying to do. Today in my opinion they both managed to put in totally disinterested performances and it was only Upson and Ogogo that managed to stop our midfield from being totally overrun. I think that's unfair on Ollie. Whilst he might have had a terrible match today, might make a few wrong decisions, make a terrible pass, he's still running his socks off and from the East Terrace you could really see his frustration when things weren't going his way. Graham had to have a word in his ear. This explains why he was getting hot headed. Hardly the attitude of someone disinterested. Sercombe sadly I think you may be right. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 30, 2019 22:23:22 GMT
Ollie Clarke has been poor for a few games now, just a shame we don't have an obvious replacement.
Socrates will make you believe Lines is but he's no better really. And having him and Sercombe in the side would worry me as if they're not on it, we are carrying 2 passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 22:27:33 GMT
Yeah that’s how I saw it but if we play and battle as well as that over the next six games then I reckon we’ll pick up enough points. Luton are flying but they know they were in a game today. We need Chris lines in that midfield for the three remaining home games in my opinion. He’s been our playmaker who creates the chances and with him in midfield , Nichols alongside Harris welll create more chances . No point in going defensive in the remaining home games got to go for three points and if chis is fit he needs to play. I have to ask but why is Chris Lines the answer? He's looked shocking in pretty much every appearance he's played in this season. I love Chris Lines the midfielder of 5 years ago but that is not the player he is now. Even if that is the case, we need creativity and he is the only player who has that attribute. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 22:28:24 GMT
Without a doubt he has been, as for Ollie Clarke and Sercombe, it's anybody's guess what they have been trying to do. Today in my opinion they both managed to put in totally disinterested performances and it was only Upson and Ogogo that managed to stop our midfield from being totally overrun. I think that's unfair on Ollie. Whilst he might have had a terrible match today, might make a few wrong decisions, make a terrible pass, he's still running his socks off and from the East Terrace you could really see his frustration when things weren't going his way. Graham had to have a word in his ear. This explains why he was getting hot headed. Hardly the attitude of someone disinterested. Sercombe sadly I think you may be right. Disinterested might be the wrong thing to say. "Looks like he has been out all night" as someone else said on here might be nearer the mark. His reactions looked 5 seconds slow all game and missed the opportunity to tackle on several occasions. He has like others have also said been very poor for many games now and this club will go nowhere with midfielders of his quality being the first names on the team sheet. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 22:29:40 GMT
Ollie Clarke has been poor for a few games now, just a shame we don't have an obvious replacement. Socrates will make you believe Lines is but he's no better really. And having him and Sercombe in the side would worry me as if they're not on it, we are carrying 2 passengers. Drop Sercombe. |
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Post by markczgas on Mar 30, 2019 22:35:22 GMT
I have to ask but why is Chris Lines the answer? He's looked shocking in pretty much every appearance he's played in this season. I love Chris Lines the midfielder of 5 years ago but that is not the player he is now. Last time lines played athome we won and he played well. Our success over the last four years had been built on his creativity in midfield . You say 5 years ago but he’s only been back with us four years and been our top assists all four years. We are massively lacking creativity in midfield. Need I go on ? the same midfield and attack as today demolished Blackpool 4- 0 recently. As GC said the top 6 are a different kettle of fish this season. We will pick up points in the games to play and be safe. We miss a firing Holmes- Dennis though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 22:37:42 GMT
Regarding chris lines,there are many more questions than answers.
Is he fit? why does the radio bristol interviewer not ask that simple queston?
Has his personal problem got the better of him?
Is he busting a gut in training to impress the manager?
I hope coughlan isn't manager next season,he hates creative players,sets us up with no width and we sit back in our own half and hope for the best.
Its not football its anti-football and its painful to watch.
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Post by wilkimania on Mar 30, 2019 22:44:22 GMT
Regarding chris lines,there are many more questions than answers. Is he fit? why does the radio bristol interviewer not ask that simple queston? Has his personal problem got the better of him? Is he busting a gut in training to impress the manager? I hope coughlan isn't manager next season,he hates creative players,sets us up with no width and we sit back in our own half and hope for the best. Its not football its anti-football and its painful to watch. Could be that he hates creative footballers or it could be the creative footballers we had when he joined weren't good enough. Bennett, Mathews, Mensah. Not exactly players who were lighting up the league before Coughlan joined. Maybe he just took one look at our squad and played to our strengths then added to it with Ogogo and JCH. I'm not saying that you're incorrect but considering the financial restrictions in terms of the wage budget, then he'd have probably had to have cleared out even more to add creativity. Look at our squad, would it shock anyone if there was 10 outgoings this summer? |
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