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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 30, 2019 22:46:57 GMT
Regarding chris lines,there are many more questions than answers. Is he fit? why does the radio bristol interviewer not ask that simple queston? Has his personal problem got the better of him? Is he busting a gut in training to impress the manager? I hope coughlan isn't manager next season,he hates creative players,sets us up with no width and we sit back in our own half and hope for the best. Its not football its anti-football and its painful to watch. I don't see anyway GC will not be our manager next season. Maybe if we lost the next 7 games or something daft. |
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 30, 2019 23:03:20 GMT
Lines may well be out of favour for any number of reasons but there’s no getting away from the fact he is a Hollywood player these days & has been for a while. It’s absolutley fine when we’re cruising 3-0 but certainly not a player you’d want in the trenches with you, in the midst of a huge relegation fight (where we find ourselves this season)
Best example, in the way he dangles a leg into any tackle that comes in his direction or jumps out of the way of it altogether.
The majority of his appearances this season, either starting or from the bench also see him playing on the toes of our centre halves. No driving runs, no ball carrying into the opposition final third, basically no creativity whatsoever. Calls for him to be included definitely baffle me.
He has been a fine servant to the club over two spells, but he’ll be moving on in the summer no doubts about it.
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Post by socrates on Mar 30, 2019 23:11:17 GMT
Ollie Clarke has been poor for a few games now, just a shame we don't have an obvious replacement. Socrates will make you believe Lines is but he's no better really. And having him and Sercombe in the side would worry me as if they're not on it, we are carrying 2 passengers. Drop sercombe for lines so lines can play the passes for Nichols and Harris then. My point is if we play defensive without creative players for our remaining home games then there’s a very good chance we won’t win any of them. Chris lines will create chances and when played alongside olly Clarke at home those two almost always play well together and we win games at home. Look in the book. Being a fan all these years I know this whilst cogs hasn’t got that experience of this squad like I and most of us have. After promotion back to the league Mans made way for olly and lines and olly were fantastic together and I think they can be again with either upson , Sinclair or ogogo alongside them in the formation we played today. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 30, 2019 23:12:35 GMT
Lines may well be out of favour for any number of reasons but there’s no getting away from the fact he is a Hollywood player these days & has been for a while. It’s absolutley fine when we’re cruising 3-0 but certainly not a player you’d want in the trenches with you, in the midst of a huge relegation fight (where we find ourselves this season) Best example, in the way he dangles a leg into any tackle that comes in his direction or jumps out of the way of it altogether. The majority of his appearances this season, either starting or from the bench also see him playing on the toes of our centre halves. No driving runs, no ball carrying into the opposition final third, basically no creativity whatsoever. Calls for him to be included definitely baffle me. He has been a fine servant to the club over two spells, but he’ll be moving on in the summer no doubts about it. But Sercs is even worse but starts every game, I agree we can't drop Ogogo or Upson for Lines but I doubt we'd miss Sercs or OC plus didn't his performance v Fleetwood win us the game in GC's first home match in charge? We simply have to beat Bradford and/or Rochdale, I'm not sure today's team can unless JCH creates and scores another wonder goal or two. |
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Post by Hudson1883 on Mar 30, 2019 23:16:11 GMT
Lines may well be out of favour for any number of reasons but there’s no getting away from the fact he is a Hollywood player these days & has been for a while. It’s absolutley fine when we’re cruising 3-0 but certainly not a player you’d want in the trenches with you, in the midst of a huge relegation fight (where we find ourselves this season) Best example, in the way he dangles a leg into any tackle that comes in his direction or jumps out of the way of it altogether. The majority of his appearances this season, either starting or from the bench also see him playing on the toes of our centre halves. No driving runs, no ball carrying into the opposition final third, basically no creativity whatsoever. Calls for him to be included definitely baffle me. He has been a fine servant to the club over two spells, but he’ll be moving on in the summer no doubts about it. But Sercs is even worse but starts every game, I agree we can't drop Ogogo or Upson for Lines but I doubt we'd miss Sercs or OC plus didn't his performance v Fleetwood win us the game in GC's first home match in charge? We simply have to beat Bradford and/or Rochdale, I'm not sure today's team can unless JCH creates and scores another wonder goal or two. I’m confident this current side are capable of taking a point off of Coventry & all 3 against a woeful Bradford outfit a few days later. That’ll ease the anxiety levels at Kingsmeadow a touch. |
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Post by stigofthegas on Mar 30, 2019 23:44:34 GMT
Regarding chris lines,there are many more questions than answers. Is he fit? why does the radio bristol interviewer not ask that simple queston? Has his personal problem got the better of him? Is he busting a gut in training to impress the manager? I hope coughlan isn't manager next season,he hates creative players,sets us up with no width and we sit back in our own half and hope for the best. Its not football its anti-football and its painful to watch. You seem to be having a bad day, convinced we will go down and hoping GC isn’t manager. I disagree on both accounts. We’ve played two top 6 sides and lost. So what? I did the score predictor and predicted no points from those games and we ended clear by 3 points. It’s still on. Don’t be negative. As for GC, he inherited a squad and is having to make do. No width and a compact midfield is his way of getting the best out of completely unbalanced squad. He’s doing just fine. Don’t write us or GC off just yet. It’s still all to play for. The first 15 minutes and the second half today are easily good enough to keep us up. |
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Post by socrates on Mar 31, 2019 0:06:01 GMT
Regarding chris lines,there are many more questions than answers. Is he fit? why does the radio bristol interviewer not ask that simple queston? Has his personal problem got the better of him? Is he busting a gut in training to impress the manager? I hope coughlan isn't manager next season,he hates creative players,sets us up with no width and we sit back in our own half and hope for the best. Its not football its anti-football and its painful to watch. As much as I see your point I also put it to you that he’s won more games than he’s lost so far and if he continues to do that well stay up and be a top half team next season. That wouldn’t he too bad would it ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 0:06:16 GMT
To the posters who replied to me thanks but i cant stick this turgid "ray graydon like" football were playing.
A fit chris lines would walk into our midfield even if he had one leg in my view and im not a chris lines fan.
You just cant have 3 defensive centre midfield players and no attacking full backs and expect to win games.
Luton play a midfield diamond but their full backs get forward with real intent.
I can easily see us failing to win another game this season.
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Post by socrates on Mar 31, 2019 0:08:39 GMT
To the posters who replied to me thanks but i cant stick this turgid "ray graydon like" football were playing. A fit chris lines would walk into our midfield even if had one leg in my view and im not a chris lines fan. You just cant have 3 defensive centre midfield players and no attacking full backs and expect to win games. Luton play a midfield diamond but their full backs get forward with real intent. I can easily see us failing to win another game this season. I think we’ll win two more and pick up a draw or two. The summer will see changes obviously and then we’ll see what Cogs wants to do not what he feels he has to do which is what we’re getting at that moment if you see what I mean ? |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 31, 2019 0:43:23 GMT
BB is right, our midfield is lacking creativity so we need to have FBs who can attack but they aren’t getting up and we’re playing with no width. Even where Kelly and JC get forward there’s no real threat and no intent. It’s more hit and hope, today any ball went straight to the keeper. We could have CL playing or THD in midfield but whatever we need some creativity somewhere and not be reliant on JCH and one of his fantastic goals. It’s not GCs fault, he’s getting the best out of what we’ve got and has done a brilliant job and will be here next season when, after a summer recruitment, will be the time to judge him.
I just reckon atm his system works better away than it does at home.
UTG!
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Post by pirate on Mar 31, 2019 0:49:00 GMT
I thought we were the slightly better team before they scored their first goal. We started well with intent and energy, but once they got the first goal it knocked the stuffing out of us a bit.
Luton got their full backs forward well (the two best players on the pitch) all game and exploited the space on the wings that came from our diamond formation. JCH scored a good goal at a good time and I thought that might have given us a bit of impetus to come out and get at them a bit and maybe grab a second goal, but it wasn't to be.
Luton's game management and streetwise ability meant they started the second half in control and we never really got going. They time wasted, went to ground easily (all game), but at the same time kept the ball better than us.
They weren't particularly outstanding on the day, but had that extra bit of quality and nous you would expect to find from a team at the top of the table. I couldn't fault the effort and commitment from any of our players, we were just lacking a bit of quality and creativity to open them up and impose ourselves on the game for any length of time.
I think it is worth reiterating that Luton equalled a club record of 27 league games unbeaten today and they are champions elect. It's disappointing to lose, but we certainly didn't disgrace ourselves in any way.
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Post by neilv93 on Mar 31, 2019 1:09:06 GMT
I thought we were the slightly better team before they scored their first goal. We started well with intent and energy, but once they got the first goal it knocked the stuffing out of us a bit. Luton got their full backs forward well (the two best players on the pitch) all game and exploited the space on the wings that came from our diamond formation. JCH scored a good goal at a good time and I thought that might have given us a bit of impetus to come out and get at them a bit and maybe grab a second goal, but it wasn't to be. Luton's game management and streetwise ability meant they started the second half in control and we never really got going. They time wasted, went to ground easily (all game), but at the same time kept the ball better than us. They weren't particularly outstanding on the day, but had that extra bit of quality and nous you would expect to find from a team at the top of the table. I couldn't fault the effort and commitment from any of our players, we were just lacking a bit of quality and creativity to open them up and impose ourselves on the game for any length of time. I think it is worth reiterating that Luton equalled a club record of 27 league games unbeaten today and they are champions elect. It's disappointing to lose, but we certainly didn't disgrace ourselves in any way. Great post, completely agree. |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 31, 2019 6:38:22 GMT
Lines may well be out of favour for any number of reasons but there’s no getting away from the fact he is a Hollywood player these days & has been for a while. It’s absolutley fine when we’re cruising 3-0 but certainly not a player you’d want in the trenches with you, in the midst of a huge relegation fight (where we find ourselves this season) Best example, in the way he dangles a leg into any tackle that comes in his direction or jumps out of the way of it altogether. You could just as well be describing Sercombe. Fine when our midfield are on top, but an utter waste of time when we`re under the cosh. For a guy who`s quite solidly built, he`s shockingly lightweight when it comes to putting in a challenge for the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 7:14:01 GMT
To the posters who replied to me thanks but i cant stick this turgid "ray graydon like" football were playing. A fit chris lines would walk into our midfield even if he had one leg in my view and im not a chris lines fan. You just cant have 3 defensive centre midfield players and no attacking full backs and expect to win games. Luton play a midfield diamond but their full backs get forward with real intent. I can easily see us failing to win another game this season. Full backs are key to the diamond. A team needs to have the option of width otherwise it is too easy tondefend against. In a diamond with three defensive midfielders it comes from full backs, however if THD isn't playing, we don't have a full back capable of providing this. Not a big issue away from home, but at home it is essential. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 7:27:32 GMT
To the posters who replied to me thanks but i cant stick this turgid "ray graydon like" football were playing. A fit chris lines would walk into our midfield even if he had one leg in my view and im not a chris lines fan. You just cant have 3 defensive centre midfield players and no attacking full backs and expect to win games. Luton play a midfield diamond but their full backs get forward with real intent. I can easily see us failing to win another game this season. Full backs are key to the diamond. A team needs to have the option of width otherwise it is too easy tondefend against. In a diamond with three defensive midfielders it comes from full backs, however if THD isn't playing, we don't have a full back capable of providing this. Not a big issue away from home, but at home it is essential. The big problem for us with the diamond is not just in attack. There were so many times yesterday when Luton's excellent two fullbacks really pushed on and with no dedicated wide men in midfield our fullbacks were exposed. Two of our midfield need to have a responsibility to get across and cover a flank each when opposition fullbacks bomb on. That said, Luton are comfortably the best team in the division and whichever formation we played it's more than likely their superior quality would have prevailed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 7:34:19 GMT
I'm think Coughlan will be here next season, irrespective of what happens between now and May.
If he keeps us up he will have completely earned the right to be here. His ability to produce a battling team capable of staying in this division (which in my opinion is our limit) will be crucial in a likely similar situation next season. He will have proved he can do it.
However, if we go down (which I don't think we will), in my opinion, he should go. To get out of League 2 will surely be our aim, yet nothing about the way he sets a team up suggests that he is able to produce a creative, fast flowing and attacking team capable of doing that. We didn't hoof our way out last time, we played good football with the ability to be physical when required. Where is GC's trackrecord in the attributes we will need? If we didn't have a manager and found ourselves in League 2 again, would we be interested in what he brings? I don't think we would in that situation.
Anyway, we're a game closer to.survival and are staying up, so it's all irrelevant.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 31, 2019 7:40:05 GMT
To the posters who replied to me thanks but i cant stick this turgid "ray graydon like" football were playing. A fit chris lines would walk into our midfield even if he had one leg in my view and im not a chris lines fan. You just cant have 3 defensive centre midfield players and no attacking full backs and expect to win games. Luton play a midfield diamond but their full backs get forward with real intent. I can easily see us failing to win another game this season. Two clean sheets and two JCH worldies, job done. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 31, 2019 8:01:30 GMT
Regarding chris lines,there are many more questions than answers. Is he fit? why does the radio bristol interviewer not ask that simple queston? Has his personal problem got the better of him? Is he busting a gut in training to impress the manager? I hope coughlan isn't manager next season,he hates creative players,sets us up with no width and we sit back in our own half and hope for the best. Its not football its anti-football and its painful to watch. Not sure that's true. He said when he came in, it won't be pretty but we'll grind out results, and that is exactly what has happened. Maybe he just realised what was required, and he might realise what is required to push on from here next season. Compare and contrast DC when he took over, he tried to turn us into Brazil over night, and we paid for it. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 31, 2019 8:44:05 GMT
To the posters who replied to me thanks but i cant stick this turgid "ray graydon like" football were playing. A fit chris lines would walk into our midfield even if he had one leg in my view and im not a chris lines fan. You just cant have 3 defensive centre midfield players and no attacking full backs and expect to win games. Luton play a midfield diamond but their full backs get forward with real intent. I can easily see us failing to win another game this season. But Lines doesn't seem to be fit so little point in saying he'd walk into the team, GC has to make do with the players he's got, at least he's not trying to play with 3 defenders like DC did v Mansfield! As far as next season is concerned until we've seen him have a summer to sign players and then send out his own team it's impossible to know how one of his teams will play. Whatever happens it's hard to believe it can be any worse than the squad DC put together last summer. |
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Post by lisbongas on Mar 31, 2019 8:59:07 GMT
I Accept GC has delivered results that have kept us in with a chance and in most other seasons the opposition below us would have collapsed. However the football is dross and performance of the majority woeful. Some of the worse performances seen for many a year. I am not conviced by GC and his motivational ability or tactical nounce. We are now simply being carried by a centreforward plucked from Coventry reserves with a point to prove. JCH has almost singlehandedly saved the day, what a star. A few others are digging in, notably Craig and Lockyer, Ogogo and Bonham (bar Doncaster) beyond this not much fight being shown. The buck stops with GC.
I recognise I am out of kilter with the majority on this forum as again yesterday I watch a game where James Clarke is beaten at will, rarely cuts out a cross, loses his man on the first goal and yet he is voted our best defender.
Nicholls was not good he seems to have dropped back a level but Jakubiak and Reilly are not good enough at this level perhaps push Sercombe up top?
If lines is fit he may be worth a shout but can GC get the best out of him, i doubt it. Great player but needs to be managed to get him playing in a positive way.
Do we have fullbacks that can attack and offer width but also defend. TDH was outstanding against Sunderland but poor at Doncaster, Partington or Leadbetter. Perhaps away play 5 at the back and push the fullbacks on.
Juat a few games for someone to step up and be a hero. JCH cannot be our only hope.
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