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Post by stuart1974 on May 7, 2019 22:01:04 GMT
With May going at some point this year and Vince Cable stepping down after the European Elections, two of the three main UK parties will have new leaders soon. Add to that Corbyn has (anecdotally) repeatedly been seen as the reason for Labour nof being higher in the polls, we have reached Peak Corbyn.
Who could be the next leaders?
Firstly the Conservatives. So far the leader has come from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet. So take your pick:
Theresa May
David Lidington
Philip Hammond
Sajid Javid
Jeremy Hunt
Stephen Barclay
Penny Mordaunt
David Gauke
Matthew Hancock
Damian Hinds
Liam Fox
Greg Clark
Michael Gove
Chris Grayling
James Brokenshire
Rory Stewart
Jeremy Wright QC
Amber Rudd
Natalie Evans
Baroness Evans of Bowes Park
David Mundell
Alun Cairns
Brandon Lewis
Elizabeth Truss
Andrea Leadsom
Julian Smith
Geoffrey Cox QC
Claire Perry
Caroline Nokes
Add to that ambitious backbenchers such as Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab.
Personally I expect the two going forward to the membership to be between someone from the Eurosceptic wing and the 'one nation conservative' wing. If Boris is shortlisted then he will get it.
Obvious ones in addition to Johnson and Raab would be Javid, Hunt, Truss, Mordaunt, Gove, Leadsom and Rudd but keep an eye out for Rory Stewart and Matt Hancock.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 7, 2019 22:06:00 GMT
Turning to Labour, I don't expect Corbyn to go soon, he will probably stay and fight the next election. Should Labour fail, then he will go and almost certainly be replaced by a woman leader.
It will be a fight between the Corbynist wing and the Blairite wing. Probably Yvette Cooper for the latter but either way I expect Emily Thornberry to get it, as things stand today.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 7, 2019 22:15:33 GMT
Tom Brake
Vince Cable
Alistair Carmichael
Ed Davey
Tim Farron
Wera Hobhouse
Christine Jardine
Norman Lamb
Layla Moran
Jamie Stone
Jo Swinson
For me, it is between Brake, Davey and Swinson.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 8, 2019 6:08:28 GMT
I'm voting either single issue or independent candidates from now on.
Party politics is f**ked.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 8, 2019 7:25:20 GMT
Turning to Labour, I don't expect Corbyn to go soon, he will probably stay and fight the next election. Should Labour fail, then he will go and almost certainly be replaced by a woman leader. It will be a fight between the Corbynist wing and the Blairite wing. Probably Yvette Cooper for the latter but either way I expect Emily Thornberry to get it, as things stand today. an ever so slightly more centrist labour party with Kier Starmer in charge would blitz the next election in my opinion |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 7:43:25 GMT
I think the Tories are totally finished. Who is going to believe a word they say? Labour are also shot, but not as badly as the Tories. Once again, who will believe anything they say? When both parties publish their next Manifesto's people will openly laugh at them.
A new leader for the Tories won't change anything. The Party as a whole has to take the blame for May. They have supported her, not removed her. This makes them complicit.
If May somehow gets her WA through with Labour support, the DUP will dump on her. It's not as though she hasn't been warned enough. She will also lose a lot of her MP's. This has to lead to a GE, which Labour want, but I think it will just unleash the Brexit Party.
In their current format, the Tories are finished.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 7:43:55 GMT
Turning to Labour, I don't expect Corbyn to go soon, he will probably stay and fight the next election. Should Labour fail, then he will go and almost certainly be replaced by a woman leader. It will be a fight between the Corbynist wing and the Blairite wing. Probably Yvette Cooper for the latter but either way I expect Emily Thornberry to get it, as things stand today. You're not serious are you?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 7:46:08 GMT
I'm voting either single issue or independent candidates from now on. Party politics is f**ked. Yep. The Tories are split, but in their defence this shows that they are voting the way they feel. Labour, apart from a few individuals, just follow the party whip en bloc. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 8, 2019 7:47:12 GMT
I'm voting either single issue or independent candidates from now on. Party politics is f**ked. Yep. The Tories are split, but in their defence this shows that they are voting the way they feel. Labour, apart from a few individuals, just follow the party whip en bloc. Which would be acceptable if their leader wasn't a Dam clown. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 7:48:13 GMT
Yep. The Tories are split, but in their defence this shows that they are voting the way they feel. Labour, apart from a few individuals, just follow the party whip en bloc. Which would be acceptable if their leader wasn't a f**king clown. There is that as well ! |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 8, 2019 8:55:26 GMT
an ever so slightly more centrist labour party with Kier Starmer in charge would blitz the next election in my opinion You're not serious are you? What could go wrong Nobby? We would have it all |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 9:02:44 GMT
You're not serious are you? What could go wrong Nobby? We would have it all The bloke is a buffoon. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 9:44:17 GMT
Turning to Labour, I don't expect Corbyn to go soon, he will probably stay and fight the next election. Should Labour fail, then he will go and almost certainly be replaced by a woman leader. It will be a fight between the Corbynist wing and the Blairite wing. Probably Yvette Cooper for the latter but either way I expect Emily Thornberry to get it, as things stand today. Emily Thornberry? I presume they wouldn't be bothered about the "White Van Man" vote then !!!! |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 9:57:46 GMT
Turning to Labour, I don't expect Corbyn to go soon, he will probably stay and fight the next election. Should Labour fail, then he will go and almost certainly be replaced by a woman leader. It will be a fight between the Corbynist wing and the Blairite wing. Probably Yvette Cooper for the latter but either way I expect Emily Thornberry to get it, as things stand today. Emily Thornberry? I presume they wouldn't be bothered about the "White Van Man" vote then !!!! You mean Lady Nugee! She is too condescending in her manner. The rules are being re-written. Politics is being re-arranged in the UK. Any of the current Cabinet, forget about them. Any of the Shadow Cabinet, forget about them. Boris Johnson is yesterday's man. He would just be a reboot of the current politics. The local elections were just a ripple. Next will be the high tide of the EU elections, and the next GE will be a tsunami ! Sky News |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 8, 2019 10:21:39 GMT
What I do find funny is this though
British public - we are sick of lying career politician wankers.
Also British public - let's vote for Nigel the biggest one of them all
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 10:44:10 GMT
What I do find funny is this though British public - we are sick of lying career politician wankers. Also British public - let's vote for Nigel the biggest one of them all He had a career before becoming a politician, so not a 'career politician'. and you are making the same mistake as the Democrats in the USA with Trump. Every time someone attempts a personal attack on him, it backfires. You miss the point completely. The current political set-up has failed. That is not just my opinion. The Tories main argument is "vote for us or you get Corbyn'. Labour say, "vote for us or you get the Tories". Well, it's time we had a third choice. People are fed-up of voting for someone based on the fact that they are not as bad as the other lot. The two-party political set-up has failed the country. It's time to change it. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 8, 2019 10:55:00 GMT
What I do find funny is this though British public - we are sick of lying career politician wankers. Also British public - let's vote for Nigel the biggest one of them all He had a career before becoming a politician, so not a 'career politician'. and you are making the same mistake as the Democrats in the USA with Trump. Every time someone attempts a personal attack on him, it backfires. You miss the point completely. The current political set-up has failed. That is not just my opinion. The Tories main argument is "vote for us or you get Corbyn'. Labour say, "vote for us or you get the Tories". Well, it's time we had a third choice. People are fed-up of voting for someone based on the fact that they are not as bad as the other lot. The two-party political set-up has failed the country. It's time to change it. Do you think Farage is the answer though? You surely cant? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 8, 2019 11:01:31 GMT
He had a career before becoming a politician, so not a 'career politician'. and you are making the same mistake as the Democrats in the USA with Trump. Every time someone attempts a personal attack on him, it backfires. You miss the point completely. The current political set-up has failed. That is not just my opinion. The Tories main argument is "vote for us or you get Corbyn'. Labour say, "vote for us or you get the Tories". Well, it's time we had a third choice. People are fed-up of voting for someone based on the fact that they are not as bad as the other lot. The two-party political set-up has failed the country. It's time to change it. Do you think Farage is the answer though? You surely cant? He will be to many, just as Trump was. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 11:13:21 GMT
He had a career before becoming a politician, so not a 'career politician'. and you are making the same mistake as the Democrats in the USA with Trump. Every time someone attempts a personal attack on him, it backfires. You miss the point completely. The current political set-up has failed. That is not just my opinion. The Tories main argument is "vote for us or you get Corbyn'. Labour say, "vote for us or you get the Tories". Well, it's time we had a third choice. People are fed-up of voting for someone based on the fact that they are not as bad as the other lot. The two-party political set-up has failed the country. It's time to change it. Do you think Farage is the answer though? You surely cant? I am not a Farage 'supporter'. He has his faults and he has made mistakes. However, when you look at the total ineptitude of the current set-up is it any wonder that voters are looking for something else? Seriously, by attacking Farage and the Brexit Party, are you saying that you are happy with the current set-up? Farage and the Brexit Party may not be the answer, but for the love of Christ, anything has to be better than what we currently have with both Labour and the Tories. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 8, 2019 11:16:41 GMT
Do you think Farage is the answer though? You surely cant? I am not a Farage 'supporter'. He has his faults and he has made mistakes. However, when you look at the total ineptitude of the current set-up is it any wonder that voters are looking for something else? Seriously, by attacking Farage and the Brexit Party, are you saying that you are happy with the current set-up? Farage and the Brexit Party may not be the answer, but for the love of Christ, anything has to be better than what we currently have with both Labour and the Tories. That's where we disagree. People said anything is better than what we have in America and voted for Trump  |
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