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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2019 11:39:26 GMT
I had a look at that site too and the story about victims of London bridge attack not getting legal aid had the counterpoint that Choudery did get legal aid....
Cant for the life of me understand why racist right wing idiots are drawn to your group at all.....
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 15:10:37 GMT
This is our Mission Statement.
Mission statement
The Democratic Football Lads Alliance (DFLA) was formed following the 2017 terrorist attacks in London and Manchester, as a working class voice against social, economic and political injustice.
The DFLA objective is plain and simple – to combat terrorism and extremism.
The prevention of extremism and protection of the public in this country is not good enough. Government refusal and failure to tackle the roots of extremism which results in terrorist attacks is not good enough. Leaders and authorities failure to protect our Freedom of Expression and right to free speech is not good enough. A new generation walking among us with no regard for British Law or Values or Traditions while implementing their own anarchic standards is not good enough.
The DFLA shuns the failed extremist politics particularly far-left and far-right groups with hidden agendas faking working class interests. We are anti- racist and anti-violence with no intention of seeking a political position but every intention of seeking justice based on what is right and wrong. We are not seeking to alienate any demographic but are seeking to bring to justice anyone who believes they are above the laws of this land and the values and traditions of our Country.
The DFLA opposes all forms of bigotry and sectarianism while embracing all sections of our society seeking to lobby, peacefully protest and hold to account Central & Local Government and all authority failing to protect and serve us as a Nation.
Justice must be served on those living among us who create terror with extreme values and behaviour – whatever their motive. The protection of our children's future is paramount. We will not tolerate the escalating modern scourges of grooming, gang rape and street crime – both from offenders and those in authority who hide or deny their existence.
The DFLA believes in Freedom of Expression and intends to defend our right to free speech and responsibly use our freedom to campaign and debate our core beliefs and values within this mission statement. Members and allies are encouraged to positively contribute and debate to the growth and progression of our Alliance with respect to the course set out in this mission statement. This is the DFLA.
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 15:11:31 GMT
I had a look at that site too and the story about victims of London bridge attack not getting legal aid had the counterpoint that Choudery did get legal aid.... Cant for the life of me understand why racist right wing idiots are drawn to your group at all..... So because the truth may attract racists we should avoid it?? Is that what you are saying? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2019 15:30:04 GMT
I had a look at that site too and the story about victims of London bridge attack not getting legal aid had the counterpoint that Choudery did get legal aid.... Cant for the life of me understand why racist right wing idiots are drawn to your group at all..... So because the truth may attract racists we should avoid it?? Is that what you are saying? No, you are more than welcome to keep posting your truths that attract racists. No need to avoid it at all. |
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Post by tommym9 on Jul 23, 2019 15:38:09 GMT
This is our Mission Statement. Mission statement The Democratic Football Lads Alliance (DFLA) was formed following the 2017 terrorist attacks in London and Manchester, as a working class voice against social, economic and political injustice. The DFLA objective is plain and simple – to combat terrorism and extremism. The prevention of extremism and protection of the public in this country is not good enough. Government refusal and failure to tackle the roots of extremism which results in terrorist attacks is not good enough. Leaders and authorities failure to protect our Freedom of Expression and right to free speech is not good enough. A new generation walking among us with no regard for British Law or Values or Traditions while implementing their own anarchic standards is not good enough. The DFLA shuns the failed extremist politics particularly far-left and far-right groups with hidden agendas faking working class interests. We are anti- racist and anti-violence with no intention of seeking a political position but every intention of seeking justice based on what is right and wrong. We are not seeking to alienate any demographic but are seeking to bring to justice anyone who believes they are above the laws of this land and the values and traditions of our Country. The DFLA opposes all forms of bigotry and sectarianism while embracing all sections of our society seeking to lobby, peacefully protest and hold to account Central & Local Government and all authority failing to protect and serve us as a Nation. Justice must be served on those living among us who create terror with extreme values and behaviour – whatever their motive. The protection of our children's future is paramount. We will not tolerate the escalating modern scourges of grooming, gang rape and street crime – both from offenders and those in authority who hide or deny their existence. The DFLA believes in Freedom of Expression and intends to defend our right to free speech and responsibly use our freedom to campaign and debate our core beliefs and values within this mission statement. Members and allies are encouraged to positively contribute and debate to the growth and progression of our Alliance with respect to the course set out in this mission statement. This is the DFLA. I understand you're going to attract some racists and nutters, but this kind of talk is proper dog whistle stuff. Unless I'm reading this completely wrong of course. |
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 15:48:35 GMT
This is our Mission Statement. Mission statement The Democratic Football Lads Alliance (DFLA) was formed following the 2017 terrorist attacks in London and Manchester, as a working class voice against social, economic and political injustice. The DFLA objective is plain and simple – to combat terrorism and extremism. The prevention of extremism and protection of the public in this country is not good enough. Government refusal and failure to tackle the roots of extremism which results in terrorist attacks is not good enough. Leaders and authorities failure to protect our Freedom of Expression and right to free speech is not good enough. A new generation walking among us with no regard for British Law or Values or Traditions while implementing their own anarchic standards is not good enough. The DFLA shuns the failed extremist politics particularly far-left and far-right groups with hidden agendas faking working class interests. We are anti- racist and anti-violence with no intention of seeking a political position but every intention of seeking justice based on what is right and wrong. We are not seeking to alienate any demographic but are seeking to bring to justice anyone who believes they are above the laws of this land and the values and traditions of our Country. The DFLA opposes all forms of bigotry and sectarianism while embracing all sections of our society seeking to lobby, peacefully protest and hold to account Central & Local Government and all authority failing to protect and serve us as a Nation. Justice must be served on those living among us who create terror with extreme values and behaviour – whatever their motive. The protection of our children's future is paramount. We will not tolerate the escalating modern scourges of grooming, gang rape and street crime – both from offenders and those in authority who hide or deny their existence. The DFLA believes in Freedom of Expression and intends to defend our right to free speech and responsibly use our freedom to campaign and debate our core beliefs and values within this mission statement. Members and allies are encouraged to positively contribute and debate to the growth and progression of our Alliance with respect to the course set out in this mission statement. This is the DFLA. I understand you're going to attract some racists and nutters, but this kind of talk is proper dog whistle stuff. Unless I'm reading this completely wrong of course. Who do you think we are talking about? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 16:15:11 GMT
I understand you're going to attract some racists and nutters, but this kind of talk is proper dog whistle stuff. Unless I'm reading this completely wrong of course. Who do you think we are talking about? Umm...go on |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 16:18:13 GMT
And,
"The DFLA objective is plain and simple – to combat terrorism and extremism."
Could you explain your definition of extremism? And exactly how you intend to "combat" what you define as extremism?
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Post by tommym9 on Jul 23, 2019 16:26:51 GMT
I understand you're going to attract some racists and nutters, but this kind of talk is proper dog whistle stuff. Unless I'm reading this completely wrong of course. Who do you think we are talking about? That reads to me like you're talking about immigrants and specifically Muslims. It might not be, but when I see that in the press that's exactly who they are talking about. |
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 16:31:59 GMT
Who do you think we are talking about? That reads to me like you're talking about immigrants and specifically Muslims. It might not be, but when I see that in the press that's exactly who they are talking about. A new generation means just that. We are talking about the increase in youth violence etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 16:34:42 GMT
That reads to me like you're talking about immigrants and specifically Muslims. It might not be, but when I see that in the press that's exactly who they are talking about. A new generation means just that. We are talking about the increase in youth violence etc. So combating youth violence is your aim?? Is that tour definition of extremism? |
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 16:38:37 GMT
A new generation means just that. We are talking about the increase in youth violence etc. So combating youth violence is your aim?? Is that tour definition of extremism? It is one part. |
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Post by tommym9 on Jul 23, 2019 16:44:27 GMT
That reads to me like you're talking about immigrants and specifically Muslims. It might not be, but when I see that in the press that's exactly who they are talking about. A new generation means just that. We are talking about the increase in youth violence etc. Ah in that case why not say that? I mean if I can get confused and think you're talking about immigrants and Muslims then aren't the racist nutters too? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2019 16:46:46 GMT
What are "the values and traditions of this country"?
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 16:47:37 GMT
A new generation means just that. We are talking about the increase in youth violence etc. Ah in that case why not say that? I mean if I can get confused and think you're talking about immigrants and Muslims then aren't the racist nutters too? Why would anyone describe immigrants as a new generation? |
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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 23, 2019 16:48:43 GMT
What are "the values and traditions of this country"? The opposite of what ANTIFA wants, I would guess ? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2019 16:51:56 GMT
What are "the values and traditions of this country"? The opposite of what ANTIFA wants, I would guess ? Yeah and ANTIFA can go f**k themselves too. I would not let them post their dogma here and I think I've read enough on this thread now as well. |
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Post by tommym9 on Jul 23, 2019 16:53:20 GMT
Ah in that case why not say that? I mean if I can get confused and think you're talking about immigrants and Muslims then aren't the racist nutters too? Why would anyone describe immigrants as a new generation? I'm just saying that's how I read it. Language is important as you don't want to have something for the racists to latch onto. Like you said before the NF thought they would be welcome. I would describe young immigrants as the next generation. Some of my friends are 2nd/3rd generation immigrants and their kids will be the next generation. Just like someone arriving today, thier kids would be the next generation |
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 16:56:37 GMT
Why would anyone describe immigrants as a new generation? I'm just saying that's how I read it. Language is important as you don't want to have something for the racists to latch onto. Like you said before the NF thought they would be welcome. I would describe young immigrants as the next generation. Some of my friends are 2nd/3rd generation immigrants and their kids will be the next generation. Just like someone arriving today, thier kids would be the next generation All youth would be described as the next generation immigrants included. I don't see why we need to differentiate. |
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Post by widnesgas71 on Jul 23, 2019 16:58:03 GMT
Why would anyone describe immigrants as a new generation? I'm just saying that's how I read it. Language is important as you don't want to have something for the racists to latch onto. Like you said before the NF thought they would be welcome. I would describe young immigrants as the next generation. Some of my friends are 2nd/3rd generation immigrants and their kids will be the next generation. Just like someone arriving today, thier kids would be the next generation Also I have made it clear why people like the NF feel they will be welcomed by us. People on the left of politics keep telling them they will be. |
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