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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 28, 2019 8:19:28 GMT
Blimey 10 years ago nothing like this would have appeared on here. So I'd say that in general people have realised that chants like that aren't acceptable, same as against any group of society. You couldn't call gaschat progressive, but the fact that people are reporting these appalling chants is a step in the right direction. I did hear that stewards in the North Terrace were just ignoring people signing these and doing nothing, which is disappointing. |
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Post by justin blue on Aug 28, 2019 8:22:26 GMT
Blimey 10 years ago nothing like this would have appeared on here. The problem with the LGBT groups is that they are unable to laugh at themselves. Even to a chant of "we can see you holding hands" which got a laugh at the South stand. Their LGBT mates must have stayed at home Was the full chant, 'we can see you holding hands, and we think it's great that we live in such a modern, permissive and open society that you feel sufficiently empowered to do so'? No, but then again the words do not emply that holding hands is a bad thing either. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 28, 2019 8:31:56 GMT
Was the full chant, 'we can see you holding hands, and we think it's great that we live in such a modern, permissive and open society that you feel sufficiently empowered to do so'? No, but then again the words do not emply that holding hands is a bad thing either. Ha, great. If you're gonna discuss this, the least you can do is acknowledge there is such a thing as subtext and meaning. Otherwise what's the point of even entering into a discussion? |
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Post by justin blue on Aug 28, 2019 8:38:43 GMT
No, but then again the words do not emply that holding hands is a bad thing either. Ha, great. If you're gonna discuss this, the least you can do is acknowledge there is such a thing as subtext and meaning. Otherwise what's the point of even entering into a discussion? Are you suggesting that I shouldn't post in this thread or that I don't possess enough understanding of the issue. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 28, 2019 8:42:02 GMT
I remember about 15-20 years ago we used to sing "does your boyfriend know youre here?" and when Brighton went 1-0 up they sung back "1-0 to the p***s in pink". As light hearted as it was back then, from both sides, times have changed and I doubt they sing that self effacing chant anymore.
Facts are, the LGBTQ+ community have a large majority of football fans, and they deserve going to a game as much as anyone else without having their sexuality highlighted in a negative way, in exactly the same way a person of colour or religion wouldnt want to be. Some may not be offended by it at all, and would laugh along, others not so much if at all, so its best just not to do it. Now some may see that as a snowflake PC brigade stance, but in other ways its just decency and a regard for a fellow human being.
A friend of mine who is gay, cannot abide the whole rainbow festival going activists marches and mardi gras that you see in various cities. In his words, He has sworn that "I will never be seen to be dressed in pink with bangles hanging from every limb and riding a multi coloured blow up unicorn with a plackard around my neck to such events". His reasoning is that hes just a normal bloke who would never do those things, it increases a divide not shrinks one and "you hetrosexuals never throw a party to celebrate being straight, so i dont see any need either"
Point is, my mate wouldnt have been offended by last night, but the ones who are maybe a little more sensitive and that do the opposite just might be.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 28, 2019 8:47:50 GMT
Think this has been blown out of proportion.
1) I heard this sung for all of about 10-20 seconds last night.
2) When I go to a football match, I accept there is going to be a certain amount of swearing/"banter". It's very childish, but I'm sure no harm was meant by it by those who sung it.
If I was to hear homophobic behaviour in the street, I would view it differently and it would really anger me, and I would stick up for the person that was getting abused.
My thoughts may not be popular but just talking out loud.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 28, 2019 9:03:24 GMT
Ha, great. If you're gonna discuss this, the least you can do is acknowledge there is such a thing as subtext and meaning. Otherwise what's the point of even entering into a discussion? Are you suggesting that I shouldn't post in this thread or that I don't possess enough understanding of the issue. I'm suggesting that if you're gonna join a discussion in good faith then you have to acknowledge obvious subtext. |
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Post by justin blue on Aug 28, 2019 9:41:47 GMT
Are you suggesting that I shouldn't post in this thread or that I don't possess enough understanding of the issue. I'm suggesting that if you're gonna join a discussion in good faith then you have to acknowledge obvious subtext. Well there is probably a subtext in your sanctimonious reply that you think that I am somehow unworthy to join this thread. I am sure if we started looking for subtexts we could find them everywhere, So I'll respect you as a moderator and not contribute any further. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 28, 2019 9:53:15 GMT
I'm suggesting that if you're gonna join a discussion in good faith then you have to acknowledge obvious subtext. Well there is probably a subtext in your sanctimonious reply that you think that I am somehow unworthy to join this thread. I am sure if we started looking for subtexts we could find them everywhere, So I'll respect you as a moderator and not contribute any further. I think you're just making stuff up now. I didn't say you were unworthy to join the thread (but well done for pretending you're being oppressed) I'm simply stating that there is clear subtext to chants and just coming in to the thread and denying there's any subtext at all, straight off the bat is pretty defensive and largely pointless. Obviously we can find subtext everywhere, that's why it's so bizarre you started out by pretending it didn't exist. It's nothing to do with moderating. |
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Post by Marshy on Aug 28, 2019 9:56:40 GMT
Well there is probably a subtext in your sanctimonious reply that you think that I am somehow unworthy to join this thread. I am sure if we started looking for subtexts we could find them everywhere, So I'll respect you as a moderator and not contribute any further. I think you're just making stuff up now. I didn't say you were unworthy to join the thread (but well done for pretending you're being oppressed) I'm simply stating that there is clear subtext to chants and just coming in to the thread and denying there's any subtext at all, straight off the bat is pretty defensive and largely pointless. Obviously we can find subtext everywhere, that's why it's so bizarre you started out by pretending it didn't exist. It's nothing to do with moderating. This is like some sort of perverse foreplay? I suggest that you 2 get a room. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 28, 2019 9:59:26 GMT
I think you're just making stuff up now. I didn't say you were unworthy to join the thread (but well done for pretending you're being oppressed) I'm simply stating that there is clear subtext to chants and just coming in to the thread and denying there's any subtext at all, straight off the bat is pretty defensive and largely pointless. Obviously we can find subtext everywhere, that's why it's so bizarre you started out by pretending it didn't exist. It's nothing to do with moderating. This is like some sort of perverse foreplay? I suggest that you 2 get a room. And what could we possibly do in the room if there's no such thing as subtext to your suggestion. We'd just be in a room together, and presumably, eventually, leave. That doesn't make any sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 9:59:49 GMT
I think you're just making stuff up now. I didn't say you were unworthy to join the thread (but well done for pretending you're being oppressed) I'm simply stating that there is clear subtext to chants and just coming in to the thread and denying there's any subtext at all, straight off the bat is pretty defensive and largely pointless. Obviously we can find subtext everywhere, that's why it's so bizarre you started out by pretending it didn't exist. It's nothing to do with moderating. This is like some sort of perverse foreplay? I suggest that you 2 get a room. tell us more. |
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Post by Marshy on Aug 28, 2019 10:01:21 GMT
This is like some sort of perverse foreplay? I suggest that you 2 get a room. And what could we possibly do in the room if there's no such thing as subtext to your suggestion. We'd just be in a room together, and presumably, eventually, leave. That doesn't make any sense. I surrender, take me away! |
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Post by Marshy on Aug 28, 2019 10:02:15 GMT
This is like some sort of perverse foreplay? I suggest that you 2 get a room. tell us more. No, I don’t want you getting to excited at your age😜 |
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 28, 2019 10:04:29 GMT
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 28, 2019 10:29:15 GMT
Not the greatest of weeks from the Gas terraces and online ‘fan’ base.
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Post by neilv93 on Aug 28, 2019 10:40:15 GMT
I used to have a season ticket in the Blackthorn/Thatchers for many years but ultimately ended up moving to the Dribuild/Uplands seating. Now, mainly for seats, I'll be honest, but also due to the appalling stuff I've heard behind the goal. Heard all forms of racism, bigotry, homophobia, sectarian etc. chants/comments/jokes.
I'll caveat by saying it was always only a small minority and not even frequent (not every game) but really just didn't like it and so moved.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 10:42:01 GMT
I used to have a season ticket in the Blackthorn/Thatchers for many years but ultimately ended up moving to the Dribuild/Uplands seating. Now, mainly for seats, I'll be honest, but also due to the appalling stuff I've heard behind the goal. Heard all forms of racism, bigotry, homophobia, sectarian etc. chants/comments/jokes. I'll caveat by saying it was always only a small minority and not even frequent (not every game) but really just didn't like it and so moved. Same for me, although I found it easier to just leave the wife at home. |
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Post by tinkerbell on Aug 28, 2019 11:14:42 GMT
I am a Lesbian who has been subjected to homophobia in the past which I found extremely distressing.
I have been watching the Gas since 1966. I acknowledge that by going to football I am likely to hear chants on a variety of matters that I could find amusing, emotive, boring or downright uncomfortable.
There is a fine line between acceptable and unacceptable.
I am glad to know that we have, mainly, moved on from the racist chants, except the one where the IRA is mentioned. I am also pleased that the different type of abuse the female officials got has diminished. I think the chant about a certain someone and death totally unacceptable.
Homophobic abuse is, for me, hard to take. But some banter is amusing.
Again fine lines.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 28, 2019 11:23:44 GMT
I am a Lesbian who has been subjected to homophobia in the past which I found extremely distressing. I have been watching the Gas since 1966. I acknowledge that by going to football I am likely to hear chants on a variety of matters that I could find amusing, emotive, boring or downright uncomfortable. There is a fine line between acceptable and unacceptable. I am glad to know that we have, mainly, moved on from the racist chants, except the one where the IRA is mentioned. I am also pleased that the different type of abuse the female officials got has diminished. I think the chant about a certain someone and death totally unacceptable. Homophobic abuse is, for me, hard to take. But some banter is amusing. Again fine lines. The problem is that everyone's "line" is in a different place. Some people like myself would just like to hear none of it. Others say the "holding hands" or "boyfriend" chant are just banter. Then you get the complete dickheads like a bloke near me calling Brighton players sh**-stabbers. For me we could do without any of it, regardless if it is meant maliciously or not. |
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