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Post by Big Jock on Aug 29, 2019 17:13:31 GMT
Problem yous got here is folk fucckin hate change, alwaes have alwaes will.
Look, everyone knows whether you like it or not it just aint acceptable anymore, but football matches still remain th one place where folk believe they can behave outside th norm as if its some right passed down by th fucckin footy gods or something.
Football is still living in th past and as a result still attracts th neanderthal few who literally think a football stadium is somewhere where pretty much anything goes, only th FA can change this, and IF they truly want families to attend and make it a better place for folk to spend some time they will, sadly they won't cause as we all know th FA are spineless.
An i say that as someone who would miss that fierce, highly emotive atmosphere. But also know things have to change (for th better).
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Post by gas11light on Aug 29, 2019 17:17:07 GMT
Announce totalitarianism
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Post by gregsy on Aug 29, 2019 17:19:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 17:55:15 GMT
Meanwhile on Gaschat I could call you a total and utter c*** and the people complaining about homophobic abuse wouldn’t bat an eyelid. It makes me think there is an element of conscious bias or virtue signalling at work where some causes are more ‘right on’ than others. I also wonder who gave the left wing the right to decide what is the difference between abuse and harmless mockery. As a friend of mine said to me recently “morality itself is subjective”. Why would someone have to be left wing to think it unacceptable to use homophobic chants at a football match? Also, calling someone a lady garden is your opinion, although granted it would probably offend the person you've said it too. You aren't picking something about them such as sexual orientation or skin colour to use in a derogatory way. Chanting "do you take it up the arse" to a team whose town just happens to have a large gay community is completely different. But it’s still uncalled for abuse though...isn’t it? Or is it only abuse when it picks on a minority trait that person has? So “you’re a total Dam ****” is fine, but “you’re a gay total Dam ****” isn’t? Hmm... I would argue that a nebulous group of strangers shouting something offensive at another nebulous group of strangers is nowhere near as bad as targeted abuse aimed at an individual but then people are desperate or an excuse for a bout of virtue signalling these days. |
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Post by gregsy on Aug 29, 2019 18:00:24 GMT
Why would someone have to be left wing to think it unacceptable to use homophobic chants at a football match? Also, calling someone a lady garden is your opinion, although granted it would probably offend the person you've said it too. You aren't picking something about them such as sexual orientation or skin colour to use in a derogatory way. Chanting "do you take it up the arse" to a team whose town just happens to have a large gay community is completely different. But it’s still uncalled for abuse though...isn’t it? Or is it only abuse when it picks on a minority trait that person has? So “you’re a total f**king ****” is fine, but “you’re a gay total f**king ****” isn’t? Hmm... I would argue that a nebulous group of strangers shouting something offensive at another nebulous group of strangers is nowhere near as bad as targeted abuse aimed at an individual but then people are desperate or an excuse for a bout of virtue signalling these days. But surely when you generalise about a group of people, you must be aware that the group is made up of individuals? |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 29, 2019 18:15:19 GMT
Why would someone have to be left wing to think it unacceptable to use homophobic chants at a football match? Also, calling someone a lady garden is your opinion, although granted it would probably offend the person you've said it too. You aren't picking something about them such as sexual orientation or skin colour to use in a derogatory way. Chanting "do you take it up the arse" to a team whose town just happens to have a large gay community is completely different. But it’s still uncalled for abuse though...isn’t it? Or is it only abuse when it picks on a minority trait that person has? So “you’re a total f**king ****” is fine, but “you’re a gay total f**king ****” isn’t? Hmm... I would argue that a nebulous group of strangers shouting something offensive at another nebulous group of strangers is nowhere near as bad as targeted abuse aimed at an individual but then people are desperate or an excuse for a bout of virtue signalling these days. Agreed it is uncalled for abuse although I'm not sure I've ever seen someone call someone else a lady garden on here for literally no reason, there's usually been a disagreement beforehand. As to your two examples there's a massive difference when you add in the word gay, as you're using the word deliberately as an insult as if there is something wrong with being gay. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 18:17:34 GMT
But it’s still uncalled for abuse though...isn’t it? Or is it only abuse when it picks on a minority trait that person has? So “you’re a total f**king ****” is fine, but “you’re a gay total f**king ****” isn’t? Hmm... I would argue that a nebulous group of strangers shouting something offensive at another nebulous group of strangers is nowhere near as bad as targeted abuse aimed at an individual but then people are desperate or an excuse for a bout of virtue signalling these days. But surely when you generalise about a group of people, you must be aware that the group is made up of individuals? If you over-think it to that extent I guess so...but I really wouldn’t be going to a football stadium and truly believing that everyone who is singing that chant is doing so with a snarl on their face and evil in their hearts in the first place... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 18:23:23 GMT
But it’s still uncalled for abuse though...isn’t it? Or is it only abuse when it picks on a minority trait that person has? So “you’re a total f**king ****” is fine, but “you’re a gay total f**king ****” isn’t? Hmm... I would argue that a nebulous group of strangers shouting something offensive at another nebulous group of strangers is nowhere near as bad as targeted abuse aimed at an individual but then people are desperate or an excuse for a bout of virtue signalling these days. Agreed it is uncalled for abuse although I'm not sure I've ever seen someone call someone else a lady garden on here for literally no reason, there's usually been a disagreement beforehand. As to your two examples there's a massive difference when you add in the word gay, as you're using the word deliberately as an insult as if there is something wrong with being gay. See, with respect, you’re trying to excuse one form of abuse as there must be some reason for it however there is no excuse in your opinion for the gay slur version. I see both as unacceptable abuse myself- especially if people are going to take exception to offensive crowd chanting. I go back to me earlier point about biases. Abuse on a personal level should be unacceptable no matter what, but people seem to make allowances for certain forms of abuse and it’s only when skin colour or sexuality is involved that they feel compelled to deplore it. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 29, 2019 18:31:01 GMT
Agreed it is uncalled for abuse although I'm not sure I've ever seen someone call someone else a lady garden on here for literally no reason, there's usually been a disagreement beforehand. As to your two examples there's a massive difference when you add in the word gay, as you're using the word deliberately as an insult as if there is something wrong with being gay. See, with respect, you’re trying to excuse one form of abuse as there must be some reason for it however there is no excuse in your opinion for the gay slur version. I see both as unacceptable abuse myself- especially if people are going to take exception to offensive crowd chanting. I go back to me earlier point about biases. Abuse on a personal level should be unacceptable no matter what, but people seem to make allowances for certain forms of abuse and it’s only when skin colour or sexuality is involved that they feel compelled to deplore it. Thing is, we've never really had hundreds of years of systematic oppression based on whether someone's a bit of a lady garden. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 18:46:10 GMT
See, with respect, you’re trying to excuse one form of abuse as there must be some reason for it however there is no excuse in your opinion for the gay slur version. I see both as unacceptable abuse myself- especially if people are going to take exception to offensive crowd chanting. I go back to me earlier point about biases. Abuse on a personal level should be unacceptable no matter what, but people seem to make allowances for certain forms of abuse and it’s only when skin colour or sexuality is involved that they feel compelled to deplore it. Thing is, we've never really had hundreds of years of systematic oppression based on whether someone's a bit of a lady garden. Let’s not get into the oppression olympics, I think that’s part of the problem as to why people have lost the art of taking context into consideration when judging the intent with which comments/chants are made... |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 29, 2019 18:53:40 GMT
Thing is, we've never really had hundreds of years of systematic oppression based on whether someone's a bit of a lady garden. Let’s not get into the oppression olympics, I think that’s part of the problem as to why people have lost the art of taking context into consideration when judging the intent with which comments/chants are made... I don't disagree with any of that, but at the same time you can take context into consideration for other things, too. I'm not interested in the oppression Olympics either, but you were at the opening ceremony when you wondered why people might treat race and sexuality based abuse differently to other forms of abuse. |
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Post by hungdrawnandquarters on Aug 29, 2019 18:56:04 GMT
Let’s not get into the oppression olympics, I think that’s part of the problem as to why people have lost the art of taking context into consideration when judging the intent with which comments/chants are made... I don't disagree with any of that, but at the same time you can take context into consideration for other things, too. I'm not interested in the oppression Olympics either, but you were at the opening ceremony when you wondered why people might treat race and sexuality based abuse differently to other forms of abuse. I wanna take part in the oppression Paralympics if I can |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Aug 29, 2019 19:45:29 GMT
Phew... I’m worn out with this .🙁 it was a couple of little chants ... 😜
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Aug 29, 2019 20:14:24 GMT
Phew... I’m worn out with this .🙁 it was a couple of little chants ... 😜
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Aug 29, 2019 20:21:45 GMT
Shut that door
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Post by Gasshole on Aug 29, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
I don't disagree with any of that, but at the same time you can take context into consideration for other things, too. I'm not interested in the oppression Olympics either, but you were at the opening ceremony when you wondered why people might treat race and sexuality based abuse differently to other forms of abuse. I wanna take part in the oppression Paralympics if I can Meet me in the Welly at opening time if you’d like to try out for the Paraletics |
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 29, 2019 21:29:08 GMT
A quick look at general chat and your one post on here tells it’s own story mate. I’m not being pedantic, I’m saying how I see it based on how you’ve written it. Perhaps you could explain your 70s outlook and an excuse for not changing to tinker here? you’re being extremely pedantic towards me and I also think you need to take that chip off your shoulder. I don’t need to explain my self to you or anyone else. You are also making assumptions based on my recent light hearted comments , which are in no way homophobic or offensive. For some reason you do tend to enjoy picking my posts out, do you have an issue with me personally? I’m not victimising you at all cupcake. You are one in a small minority on here, that I have seen post, that basks in the halcyon days of the 70s where you could say what you think and the rest of must laugh otherwise it’s just PC gone mad. Except you now have an audience of 1 on here who is openly in a minority group, who has experienced homophobia and does find it all a little bit uncomfortable. So I’m asking you, should she just suck it up and put up with it or could you change to make her feel like she might not be at the butt of one of your pc gone mad comments? What do you think would be more decent? |
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 29, 2019 21:57:57 GMT
you’re being extremely pedantic towards me and I also think you need to take that chip off your shoulder. I don’t need to explain my self to you or anyone else. You are also making assumptions based on my recent light hearted comments , which are in no way homophobic or offensive. For some reason you do tend to enjoy picking my posts out, do you have an issue with me personally? I’m not victimising you at all cupcake. You are one in a small minority on here, that I have seen post, that basks in the halcyon days of the 70s where you could say what you think and the rest of must laugh otherwise it’s just PC gone mad. Except you now have an audience of 1 on here who is openly in a minority group, who has experienced homophobia and does find it all a little bit uncomfortable. So I’m asking you, should she just suck it up and put up with it or could you change to make her feel like she might not be at the butt of one of your pc gone mad comments? What do you think would be more decent? I genuinely believe that you are now trying to goad me , cupcake ? I mean what’s that all about ? You keep mentioning the 70s, I was born in 83. Stop your silly assumptions. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 29, 2019 22:02:32 GMT
Butt and ass-umptions.
Heh heh
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Post by gas11light on Aug 29, 2019 22:58:47 GMT
you’re being extremely pedantic towards me and I also think you need to take that chip off your shoulder. I don’t need to explain my self to you or anyone else. You are also making assumptions based on my recent light hearted comments , which are in no way homophobic or offensive. For some reason you do tend to enjoy picking my posts out, do you have an issue with me personally? I’m not victimising you at all cupcake. You are one in a small minority on here, that I have seen post, that basks in the halcyon days of the 70s where you could say what you think and the rest of must laugh otherwise it’s just PC gone mad. Except you now have an audience of 1 on here who is openly in a minority group, who has experienced homophobia and does find it all a little bit uncomfortable. So I’m asking you, should she just suck it up and put up with it or could you change to make her feel like she might not be at the butt of one of your pc gone mad comments? What do you think would be more decent? people should be allowed to say what they think regardless of whether you agree with it or not, get over it, your entitlement and fragility is not anybody else’s problem. You’re a big lad I presume ignore it, also you keep talking as if “majorities” directly correlates with being correct. |
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