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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 23, 2019 11:48:49 GMT
I hope GC got them back in for training today, I cant see how any of them would have needed the rest.
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Post by bushlander on Oct 23, 2019 11:58:25 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to.
Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge.
However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night.
I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play!
Come on Gasheads, we're better than this.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2019 12:12:31 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to. Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge. However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night. I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play! Come on Gasheads, we're better than this. I don't disagree re Nichols but where's the man management from GC as surely after Saturday he was always likely to get abuse, why didn't he just rest him and let Bennett or Moore have a game if Smith wasn't up to starting? Then if they didn't perform Nichols could have returned v Pompey? |
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Post by baggins on Oct 23, 2019 12:15:37 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to. Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge. However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night. I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play! Come on Gasheads, we're better than this. I don't disagree re Nichols but where's the man management from GC as surely after Saturday he was always likely to get abuse, why didn't he just rest him and let Bennett or Moore have a game if Smith wasn't up to starting? Then if they didn't perform Nichols could have returned v Pompey? Bennett didn't exactly set the World alight when he came on either. |
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Post by thegasman on Oct 23, 2019 12:17:39 GMT
I have been one of the worst critics of GC and TN last season, but this year have not added my puny voice to the clammer on here, (apart from 1 time). What I am trying hard to understand after the last 5 or 6 matches though, is this:
When we have a throw in, as we had many last night, why oh why does only 1 person try to make themselves available to receive the ball, static isn't the right word, as several players were moving well away from the area where they may have received the ball. Bolton knew this from the off, and always had 2 people on the closest Rovers player to the throw in.
Also, when we had our few attacking positions yesterday, mainly from the left or middle of the field, having several players in the box, but with Rodman on the outskirts of the box on the right hand side, why do we persist on trying to find the singular player with a Hollywood pass, when surely it is better to place the ball, where we have more than one person. Again last night (and a few games previously) Rodman had 2 people on him, sometimes 3, giving him a snowballs chance of winning the ball, making it much easier for Bolton to break and play out from the back.
If I am aware of these pathetic tactics, you can be sure as hell that other managers have seen this and worked it out too. As they blatently had. Unfortunately we were inept and devoid of ideas.
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Post by bushlander on Oct 23, 2019 12:17:40 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to. Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge. However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night. I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play! Come on Gasheads, we're better than this. I don't disagree re Nichols but where's the man management from GC as surely after Saturday he was always likely to get abuse, why didn't he just rest him and let Bennett or Moore have a game if Smith wasn't up to starting? Then if they didn't perform Nichols could have returned v Pompey? I totally agree with the man management of him. Remember the time GC said he was a confidence player, then in the next game he had a blinder and scored then he was dropped for the game after? That's some man management that! |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 23, 2019 12:22:50 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to. Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge. However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night. I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play! Come on Gasheads, we're better than this. The players are paid well to perform, the fans pay to watch them perform and be entertained. I think Nichols was one of the worst performers last night, the trouble is he has not been doing what he is paid for, for almost 2.5yrs. Not his fault he isn't good enough but the management should see that and not play him.
GC is flogging a dead horse, trying the same thing and expecting different results is madness.
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Post by Fetch on Oct 23, 2019 12:28:01 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to. Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge. However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night. I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play! Come on Gasheads, we're better than this. That's the thing, I really don't think he does. He plays like he doesn't want to be here anymore. You can't tell me he put 100% into that penalty, it was a tame shot where he hoped the keeper would go the other way - he NEEDED that goal, not just for us, but for himself, and he still didn't do everything he could to make sure he made it hard for the keeper. I've defended him for years because he's good at the simple stuff, a tidy footballer with a good touch and a smart head on his shoulders, but lately that's all that's gone out the window. Miscontrolling the ball under no pressure, not using his body to shield the ball like Smith/Vic do, passing it straight to Bolton players on numerous occasions. He's the most extreme case of a confidence player that I've ever seen, his head drops on 5 minutes when he misses a chance and he never recovers, most players pick themselves up and go again. He left Posh for these exact reasons, for a fresh start away from abuse on the sidelines, except it's not worked, and I really don't think it'll work for him at his next club either because he doesn't have the mental strength (or ability now) as a player to recover from mistakes. He looks like a lad who can't wait to leave, and in all honesty I think our fans have been fantastic with him for 2 and half years, most clubs would have called for his head after one year, but he's on a 3 year deal on big money. He's a human being and I don't agree with the personal abuse he got last night (might get pelters for this as I've been very critical of him in this post, but that's as him as a player not him personally), especially in this age of mental health awareness, but if I'm honest I really don't think he puts his all in every game for the shirt, I just don't see it. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 23, 2019 12:28:22 GMT
I have been one of the worst critics of GC and TN last season, but this year have not added my puny voice to the clammer on here, (apart from 1 time). What I am trying hard to understand after the last 5 or 6 matches though, is this: When we have a throw in, as we had many last night, why oh why does only 1 person try to make themselves available to receive the ball, static isn't the right word, as several players were moving well away from the area where they may have received the ball. Bolton knew this from the off, and always had 2 people on the closest Rovers player to the throw in. Also, when we had our few attacking positions yesterday, mainly from the left or middle of the field, having several players in the box, but with Rodman on the outskirts of the box on the right hand side, why do we persist on trying to find the singular player with a Hollywood pass, when surely it is better to place the ball, where we have more than one person. Again last night (and a few games previously) Rodman had 2 people on him, sometimes 3, giving him a snowballs chance of winning the ball, making it much easier for Bolton to break and play out from the back. If I am aware of these pathetic tactics, you can be sure as hell that other managers have seen this and worked it out too. As they blatently had. Unfortunately we were inept and devoid of ideas. Quite. And we kept going with those terrible tactics even though they clearly weren’t working. |
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Post by bushlander on Oct 23, 2019 12:28:56 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to. Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge. However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night. I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play! Come on Gasheads, we're better than this. The players are paid well to perform, the fans pay to watch them perform and be entertained. I think Nichols was one of the worst performers last night, the trouble is he has not been doing what he is paid for, for almost 2.5yrs. Not his fault he isn't good enough but the management should see that and not play him.
GC is flogging a dead horse, trying the same thing and expecting different results is madness.
I totally agree, but is it not our role also to get behind the players from the off rather than wait for them to score? There's a reason fans chant 'You Only Sing When You're Winning' |
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Post by axegas on Oct 23, 2019 12:36:13 GMT
The main thing is not to dwell on the last couple of results. Yes, it was an awful performance but if we get on the players and staffs backs and stop attending in our numbers again, things will start to go down hill such is the nature of things. Games coming up thick and fast, including Portsmouth at home on Saturday to put things right. As of right now we are only 1 point off the playoffs with key players out who will return soon and make us a better side, let’s not let a couple of games ruin our season, Coughlan has done a great job up until now.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 23, 2019 12:45:25 GMT
The players are paid well to perform, the fans pay to watch them perform and be entertained. I think Nichols was one of the worst performers last night, the trouble is he has not been doing what he is paid for, for almost 2.5yrs. Not his fault he isn't good enough but the management should see that and not play him.
GC is flogging a dead horse, trying the same thing and expecting different results is madness.
I totally agree, but is it not our role also to get behind the players from the off rather than wait for them to score? There's a reason fans chant 'You Only Sing When You're Winning'
Absolutely the atmosphere has been flat for some time now at home. Despite the results which have been mainly grinding out points against poorer sides, the entertainment value has been well below average which hardly helps.
To put in a performance like that against a team who have only scored a handful of goals all season is totally unacceptable; even before the last 2 results I predicted we wouldn't continue the form for long, as this type of football can be easily combated by the opposition and GC doesn't know how to mix it up.
It looks like even the players accept we are going to get beat without JCH
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 23, 2019 13:01:34 GMT
The team was just all wrong tonight. Craig was awful tonight and at fault for the second goal. Upson was back to his worst with Ollie around him. Ollie was, well, awful. Misplaced passes, poor first touch, didn’t put a foot in, didn’t lead, did nothing. Kelly isn’t a lwb. Was awful and lightweight with no pace. Why drop Leahy? Rodman, was awful, wrong decision making, wayward passing and crossing. Nichols. Same as Clarke. But Smith was no better when he came on. The only ones that came out with any credit tonight were Adeboyejo and Jakkola. Tactically the manager picked the wrong team expecting Bolton to roll over and didn’t have the balls to drop Nichols and Clarke early in the game when it was obvious they were miles off the pace. GC has to take the blame for tonight. Absolutely terrible decision making. Add to the fact we had Ketfle reffing made it for an even more of a terrible evening. Upson being forced into the defensive centre mid role playing right in front of the back 3, being the reason he was so poor tonight. He should be running midfield from the centre circle where he has the past 6 weeks, with Abu alongside him. Our season will quickly unravel if GC insists on OC being the preferred pick ahead of Ed Upson in that attacking CM role. I agree with this. I was talking to someone last night about this and was asked, who else would you put in there? To me it was obvious, Hargreaves. A natural ball playing CM who got rave reviews only a couple of games ago. Why persist with an unfit OC who is playing so unbelievably poorly?? Kelly should have been pulled at half time for Leahy and Smith/Bennett should have come on Nichols if you wanted to continue with the 352. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Oct 23, 2019 15:19:37 GMT
Haven’t posted for a while, but coming to look at this thread you’d think we were bottom cut adrift with no hope left! Sure it’s disappointing we lost but we’ve started better than I thought we would! We miss our creative players. We don’t have the firepower at the moment to dominate games.
The boss is doing ok with what he has. We don’t know what these development players will bring, but there must come a time when he needs to try them. He said In recent interview that he has no trouble putting them in. Well nows your chance Mr Coughlan. Be brave. Make the decision that Nichols is not a striker. Be bold with your midfield to get a better balance. If things are not working with 3-5–2 then change formation.
The basis of a good side is here. Let’s not get too down just yet. Top half will be good this season, clear out the dross over the summer then judge him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2019 15:28:16 GMT
Upson being forced into the defensive centre mid role playing right in front of the back 3, being the reason he was so poor tonight. He should be running midfield from the centre circle where he has the past 6 weeks, with Abu alongside him. Our season will quickly unravel if GC insists on OC being the preferred pick ahead of Ed Upson in that attacking CM role. I agree with this. I was talking to someone last night about this and was asked, who else would you put in there? To me it was obvious, Hargreaves. A natural ball playing CM who got rave reviews only a couple of games ago. Why persist with an unfit OC who is playing so unbelievably poorly?? Kelly should have been pulled at half time for Leahy and Smith/Bennett should have come on Nichols if you wanted to continue with the 352. It's obvious to us but I assume GC sits down with Dunne & Maher and decides who should play? Don't forget GC got us to 4th in the table, having kept us up last year so he must have some idea what he's doing! If Leahy wasn't fit to start then he was hardly fit to come on at half time. Smith did eventually come on for Nichols and he was no better. |
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Post by glengas on Oct 23, 2019 15:45:35 GMT
Upson being forced into the defensive centre mid role playing right in front of the back 3, being the reason he was so poor tonight. He should be running midfield from the centre circle where he has the past 6 weeks, with Abu alongside him. Our season will quickly unravel if GC insists on OC being the preferred pick ahead of Ed Upson in that attacking CM role. I agree with this. I was talking to someone last night about this and was asked, who else would you put in there? To me it was obvious, Hargreaves. A natural ball playing CM who got rave reviews only a couple of games ago. Why persist with an unfit OC who is playing so unbelievably poorly?? Kelly should have been pulled at half time for Leahy and Smith/Bennett should have come on Nichols if you wanted to continue with the 352. I would like to have seen Hargreaves given some game time based on his brief appearance in the previous home game. I am lost why he wasn’t. No one in that midfield was taking the game to Bolton. |
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Post by Rod1883 on Oct 23, 2019 15:56:40 GMT
Haven’t posted for a while, but coming to look at this thread you’d think we were bottom cut adrift with no hope left! Sure it’s disappointing we lost but we’ve started better than I thought we would! We miss our creative players. We don’t have the firepower at the moment to dominate games. The boss is doing ok with what he has. We don’t know what these development players will bring, but there must come a time when he needs to try them. He said In recent interview that he has no trouble putting them in. Well nows your chance Mr Coughlan. Be brave. Make the decision that Nichols is not a striker. Be bold with your midfield to get a better balance. If things are not working with 3-5–2 then change formation. The basis of a good side is here. Let’s not get too down just yet. Top half will be good this season, clear out the dross over the summer then judge him. …but you are saying exactly what we have all been saying on this thread - perhaps a little more calmly, but still the same things about Nichols, the midfield, etc etc |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 23, 2019 16:07:15 GMT
I never weigh in on here but after last night, I'm going to. Firstly to clarify, last night performance was abominable. I haven't seen us play that badly since DC's last game in charge. However, there are certain things that happened last night which I believe were totally abhorrent by our fans. The calling for Nichols being taken off was in my opinion, disgraceful. That lad puts his all in every game for the shirt. Granted he hasn't produced the goals required however, but calling for the substitution did absolutely nothing for his confidence. And when Smith replaced him, did he do any better? No. And to top it off, there were cheers when he was subbed. Disgraceful. Nichols was not the worst player on the pitch last night. I find it quite ironic that the Thatchers End can criticise the performance of any player to be honest. Their performance during games has been nothing less than not existent. I think that before they start criticising players, they need to get their own house in order. Its been absolutely dead at the Mem until we are winning. Get behind the players from the off! We started 7th yesterday and you'd have thought we were languishing mid table with a game to play! Come on Gasheads, we're better than this. That's the thing, I really don't think he does. He plays like he doesn't want to be here anymore. You can't tell me he put 100% into that penalty, it was a tame shot where he hoped the keeper would go the other way - he NEEDED that goal, not just for us, but for himself, and he still didn't do everything he could to make sure he made it hard for the keeper. I've defended him for years because he's good at the simple stuff, a tidy footballer with a good touch and a smart head on his shoulders, but lately that's all that's gone out the window. Miscontrolling the ball under no pressure, not using his body to shield the ball like Smith/Vic do, passing it straight to Bolton players on numerous occasions. He's the most extreme case of a confidence player that I've ever seen, his head drops on 5 minutes when he misses a chance and he never recovers, most players pick themselves up and go again. He left Posh for these exact reasons, for a fresh start away from abuse on the sidelines, except it's not worked, and I really don't think it'll work for him at his next club either because he doesn't have the mental strength (or ability now) as a player to recover from mistakes. He looks like a lad who can't wait to leave, and in all honesty I think our fans have been fantastic with him for 2 and half years, most clubs would have called for his head after one year, but he's on a 3 year deal on big money. He's a human being and I don't agree with the personal abuse he got last night (might get pelters for this as I've been very critical of him in this post, but that's as him as a player not him personally), especially in this age of mental health awareness, but if I'm honest I really don't think he puts his all in every game for the shirt, I just don't see it. Absolutely this. TN has, I think, received superb patience and support from the fans. Every season I've thought this will be Toms season, especially this year with JCH alongside and also with the very real pragmatic reason for the need to either earn a new contact or impress a new employer but no, week in, week out he fails. For the benefit of those who have criticised my comments about Nicholls, I have never booed or cat-called him in a game, I support the team and the players throughout and have my moans on here where no harm is done. I am sure that surprises a few, but there are plenty who are ready to assume and complain without ever bothering to ask the right question. As for last night, I just knew he would miss that early chance, and he was as inept for the rest of the match. I think that fact that this is the second L1 club where he has received such stinging criticism tends to suggest he isn't a L1 striker. I don't know how long he was at Posh, but if was only 1 season, then 4 seasons of under performing, especially when for 3 he's been given nearly every game, shows he is L2 at best. I wouldn't bother selecting him to start again, put him on the bench at most and try and loan him in Jan and release at season's end. An extremely expensive mistake I'm afraid. |
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Post by ChiefStateGAS on Oct 23, 2019 16:07:46 GMT
I'll stick my neck out against most on this, I think Rodman's done alright in a position he's not used to, he's getting on and has spent all of his career playing another position. Considering that, I think he's adapted quite well. He's not going to set the world alight but what I saw of him yesterday, he was giving it a go and trying to get balls into the box. The same can't be said for Kelly on the other side, he was useless. Looking forward to having Hare and Little back to full fitness to take back that position but I still think Rodman has a role to play in the squad, I'd rather bring him on than Bennet any day.
All the Nichols defenders and I've been one of them, the time is up. When he knocked in a couple of goals at the start of the season I thought we were gonna finally see the best of him. But he's bottled it again and we cannot afford (literally can't afford right now) to be paying wages on a "confidence player". He's had 3 years to work out what's going wrong and he hasn't... After that amount of time, it's not a case of "there's a decent player in there" anymore - if he can't do it on the pitch what's the point? We should have sent him out on loan to league 2 and kept Reilly.
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Post by station on Oct 23, 2019 16:22:06 GMT
I think everything is flat at this moment in time mainly due to so many false dawns/rumours,
you name it and we have heard it!!
I keep reading about the poor atmosphere at the Mem, is it hardly surprising?
Give Craig the captains arm band, drop Ollie and pray Sercombe is available soon and pray
even harder that JCH mends sooner rather than later.
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