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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 11:25:17 GMT
I have to say this thread has been a wonderful accompaniment to my morning coffee. Well done all. Better than a lotus biscoff.... Stop trying to be something you are not Gregs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 12:50:00 GMT
I take it that you are a member of some club or organisation such as a golf club or the masons.more likely,so if I went on the web site of a club you are a member of and demanded they change what they do and how they elect officers you would accept my comments with good grace Padstow, I know you want to try and get at me for all sorts of reasons only you know. I don’t know who you are or why you want to target me. But if you read my post to GI, it will explain why I have my opinion, and it wasn’t from a cursory look on the website or from any other individual spoon feeding me information. It was witnessing first hand how the SC is run and the personalities and attitudes within it. I’ve not said how they run the club to elect people is wrong or any of their governance is incorrect or one sided. I have said what they represent and what they are doing needs refreshing and I stated some of those in my post above. They cannot claim to represent the fan base when they have no idea of what the fanbase actually wants and needs, and that is because they are not visible enough and don’t communicate enough. I would have thought that even you would understand that the word club means it represents its members.if you want your opinions to have any effect then join the s.c and voice your concerns at the agm.if not then you have no right to criticise those of us who are members of the club and your opinions count for nothing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 12:54:12 GMT
I do make it my mission (and one I often regret) to read every post of this forum, actually. Istm 81s posts are generally in line with what you get from the section of posters who argue over the coal face of the running of the club, the borderline ITKs and interested parties, that I would lump you in with, too. If you have problems with individual posts then you should report them. And again what is this thing we haven't done that you completely made up that is so pathetic? Should I make stuff up about you and label it pathetic, do you think? For the most part we let a lot of stuff go in relation to the political stuff. On this thread we have had a couple of potentially personal attacks and some completely irrelevant and potentially libellous stuff suggesting that a poster only supports the AQs because they bought a car off them. Meanwhile GIs infamous "love it" catch phrase from winding other posters up would generally lead to a warning or ban and has done in the past and yet no action was taken or deemed necessary. Indeed, I have advocated many times in public and in private message that BOTH sides should be allowed to express their views and equally be subject to questions. Again, its not deflection in any way to question the credibility of the ITKers in relation to the running of the club or the SC. It's a fact is it not that Ken has made absolutely no public statement that the club is in trouble under the current owners. One must therefore assume everything is ok? To suggest that one must join the SC in order to have an opinion or want change is completely asinine. You dont need to join a club to know it's not something you want to be a part of or something that needs changing! From what people have said, Ken could attest to that himself since by all accounts he has been unable to have any influence in the boardroom. But if the members are in the main satisfied with how the club is run and continue to pay our membership fees why should those who wont join or pay the annual fee have any say in how the club is run. Would you dare to tell the Masonic lodges that they shouldn't be secretive about what they do without being a member. I can imagine their response
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 3, 2019 13:32:20 GMT
For the most part we let a lot of stuff go in relation to the political stuff. On this thread we have had a couple of potentially personal attacks and some completely irrelevant and potentially libellous stuff suggesting that a poster only supports the AQs because they bought a car off them. Meanwhile GIs infamous "love it" catch phrase from winding other posters up would generally lead to a warning or ban and has done in the past and yet no action was taken or deemed necessary. Indeed, I have advocated many times in public and in private message that BOTH sides should be allowed to express their views and equally be subject to questions. Again, its not deflection in any way to question the credibility of the ITKers in relation to the running of the club or the SC. It's a fact is it not that Ken has made absolutely no public statement that the club is in trouble under the current owners. One must therefore assume everything is ok? To suggest that one must join the SC in order to have an opinion or want change is completely asinine. You dont need to join a club to know it's not something you want to be a part of or something that needs changing! From what people have said, Ken could attest to that himself since by all accounts he has been unable to have any influence in the boardroom. But if the members are in the main satisfied with how the club is run and continue to pay our membership fees why should those who wont join or pay the annual fee have any say in how the club is run. Would you dare to tell the Masonic lodges that they shouldn't be secretive about what they do without being a member. I can imagine their response I wouldn't, but I'd defend the right of others to. And are you suggesting that the supporters club is only there for the benefit of SC members and not all fans then?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 13:36:28 GMT
But if the members are in the main satisfied with how the club is run and continue to pay our membership fees why should those who wont join or pay the annual fee have any say in how the club is run. Would you dare to tell the Masonic lodges that they shouldn't be secretive about what they do without being a member. I can imagine their response I wouldn't, but I'd defend the right of others to. And are you suggesting that the supporters club is only there for the benefit of SC members and not all fans then? It's a club and it has members who are entitled to vote and give opinions.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 3, 2019 14:03:00 GMT
For the most part we let a lot of stuff go in relation to the political stuff. On this thread we have had a couple of potentially personal attacks and some completely irrelevant and potentially libellous stuff suggesting that a poster only supports the AQs because they bought a car off them. Meanwhile GIs infamous "love it" catch phrase from winding other posters up would generally lead to a warning or ban and has done in the past and yet no action was taken or deemed necessary. Indeed, I have advocated many times in public and in private message that BOTH sides should be allowed to express their views and equally be subject to questions. Again, its not deflection in any way to question the credibility of the ITKers in relation to the running of the club or the SC. It's a fact is it not that Ken has made absolutely no public statement that the club is in trouble under the current owners. One must therefore assume everything is ok? To suggest that one must join the SC in order to have an opinion or want change is completely asinine. You dont need to join a club to know it's not something you want to be a part of or something that needs changing! From what people have said, Ken could attest to that himself since by all accounts he has been unable to have any influence in the boardroom. But if the members are in the main satisfied with how the club is run and continue to pay our membership fees why should those who wont join or pay the annual fee have any say in how the club is run. Would you dare to tell the Masonic lodges that they shouldn't be secretive about what they do without being a member. I can imagine their response But the supporters club claim to represent the fan base as a whole, not just their club members. If they are to aspire to that claim then they need to make sure they are fully inclusive of all members. They also need to openly communicate with the fanbase. If it’s only the club members they represent then they need to state that and quite honestly, leave the rest of the fan base out of their decision making. The reason why I won’t join, and many I know won’t join is because of the actions, attitude and conduct, let’s be generous and say the minority of some within the SC. Not only that, that very conduct and attitude is accepted, condoned and excused by the very person voted to represent the SC on the board! If that wasn’t the case, at the last AGM he would have had the back bone to stand up and control the members who voted him to that position, preventing the vitriolic and toxic atmosphere that in the room that evening. Now at this point GI will say that I’m bullying a 70+ year old man. I’m not. I’m simply pointing out the weak and disrespectful leadership which is filtering down of the rank and file member of the SC and then spreading to the fanbase of those that associate with non members. That’s why it’s cancerous and why a rank and file fan quite rightly should have an opinion on the SC until they state otherwise.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 3, 2019 14:13:20 GMT
I wouldn't, but I'd defend the right of others to. And are you suggesting that the supporters club is only there for the benefit of SC members and not all fans then? It's a club and it has members who are entitled to vote and give opinions. oh well if the SC doesnt represent fans and only represents its members then you are completely correct and 81 has no place criticising them. I can also see why he would not want to join them.
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Post by baggins on Nov 3, 2019 14:17:09 GMT
It's a club and it has members who are entitled to vote and give opinions. oh well if the SC doesnt represent fans and only represents its members then you are completely correct and 81 has no place criticising them. I can also see why he would not want to join them. I thought the whole point of the SC WAS to represent the fans? The clue is in the name yes? If they're just representing themselves, then why have them?
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Post by nailseamark on Nov 3, 2019 15:29:17 GMT
I actually have no idea what the supporters club does, I think they might organise away travel?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 15:30:58 GMT
But if the members are in the main satisfied with how the club is run and continue to pay our membership fees why should those who wont join or pay the annual fee have any say in how the club is run. Would you dare to tell the Masonic lodges that they shouldn't be secretive about what they do without being a member. I can imagine their response But the supporters club claim to represent the fan base as a whole, not just their club members. If they are to aspire to that claim then they need to make sure they are fully inclusive of all members. They also need to openly communicate with the fanbase. If it’s only the club members they represent then they need to state that and quite honestly, leave the rest of the fan base out of their decision making. The reason why I won’t join, and many I know won’t join is because of the actions, attitude and conduct, let’s be generous and say the minority of some within the SC. Not only that, that very conduct and attitude is accepted, condoned and excused by the very person voted to represent the SC on the board! If that wasn’t the case, at the last AGM he would have had the back bone to stand up and control the members who voted him to that position, preventing the vitriolic and toxic atmosphere that in the room that evening. Now at this point GI will say that I’m bullying a 70+ year old man. I’m not. I’m simply pointing out the weak and disrespectful leadership which is filtering down of the rank and file member of the SC and then spreading to the fanbase of those that associate with non members. That’s why it’s cancerous and why a rank and file fan quite rightly should have an opinion on the SC until they state otherwise. In that case that you quote that every fan should have a vote and say in the running of the s.c then I would encourage all members to stop paying membership fees,then when the sc run out of money we will be able to turn to you and hugo and ask you to take over what we pay for,My money is we wouldn't see either of you for dust if that scenario happened. Any fan can have a say all they have to do is sign up and pay a small fee for the privilege. As far as I am concered I have no problem with the way the sc is run and will continue to pay my membership and in all honesty you can say what you like but as you are not a member it matters not one iota
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 15:32:39 GMT
oh well if the SC doesnt represent fans and only represents its members then you are completely correct and 81 has no place criticising them. I can also see why he would not want to join them. I thought the whole point of the SC WAS to represent the fans? The clue is in the name yes? If they're just representing themselves, then why have them? The clue is in the word club
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 15:36:03 GMT
I actually have no idea what the supporters club does, I think they might organise away travel? Raise funds for various parts of the fc.Who do you think organised the raise a roof fundraiser for the blackthorn end.They also fund a number of things associated with the youth set up
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Post by oliverhelmet on Nov 3, 2019 15:50:35 GMT
Warning for Padstow and S.C. hierarchy. Asteroids still exist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 16:10:44 GMT
I actually have no idea what the supporters club does, I think they might organise away travel? Raise funds for various parts of the fc.Who do you think organised the raise a roof fundraiser for the blackthorn end.They also fund a number of things associated with the youth set up And they are quite happy to take my money for various things including £4/game for 50/50 tickets and I am not even a member! In fact they probably get more money off me than the vast majority of members and suspect if I paid my six quid for membership it would hardly make a difference. I would suggest lots of supporters are not members and yet the SC claims to raise all these various funds from its members, when in reality that's simply not true.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 3, 2019 16:17:27 GMT
But the supporters club claim to represent the fan base as a whole, not just their club members. If they are to aspire to that claim then they need to make sure they are fully inclusive of all members. They also need to openly communicate with the fanbase. If it’s only the club members they represent then they need to state that and quite honestly, leave the rest of the fan base out of their decision making. The reason why I won’t join, and many I know won’t join is because of the actions, attitude and conduct, let’s be generous and say the minority of some within the SC. Not only that, that very conduct and attitude is accepted, condoned and excused by the very person voted to represent the SC on the board! If that wasn’t the case, at the last AGM he would have had the back bone to stand up and control the members who voted him to that position, preventing the vitriolic and toxic atmosphere that in the room that evening. Now at this point GI will say that I’m bullying a 70+ year old man. I’m not. I’m simply pointing out the weak and disrespectful leadership which is filtering down of the rank and file member of the SC and then spreading to the fanbase of those that associate with non members. That’s why it’s cancerous and why a rank and file fan quite rightly should have an opinion on the SC until they state otherwise. In that case that you quote that every fan should have a vote and say in the running of the s.c then I would encourage all members to stop paying membership fees,then when the sc run out of money we will be able to turn to you and hugo and ask you to take over what we pay for,My money is we wouldn't see either of you for dust if that scenario happened. Any fan can have a say all they have to do is sign up and pay a small fee for the privilege. As far as I am concered I have no problem with the way the sc is run and will continue to pay my membership and in all honesty you can say what you like but as you are not a member it matters not one iota And you know I'm not a member how?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 16:31:23 GMT
Padstow is correct. They exist to represent their members not the entire supporters base.
2. Objects Bristol Rovers Supporters Club Rules and Constitution 1.1 The name of the club shall be “Bristol Rovers Supporters Club” (“BRSC”). 2.1 To create and develop active support and lively interest in the activities of Bristol Rovers Football Club (“BRFC” and encompassing any future name changes of the Company), Bristol Rovers (1883) Limited or any subsidiaries, and to enable BRSC members to obtain the maximum pleasure from such support and interest. 2.2 To arrange transport to away matches for BRSC members. 2.3 To cater for the social interests of BRSC members. 2.3 To cater for the social interests of BRSC members. 2.4 To encourage a high standard of sportsmanship and understanding of Association Football. 2.5 To give BRSC members a formal medium of approach to the BRFC Directorate via the BRSC Executive Committee and the elected Director(s). 2.6 To render assistance and support to BRFC in particular and football in general by every possible means. 2.7 To support and develop further projects usually associated with Supporters Clubs such as the BRSC members agree upon. 2.8 The provision and maintenance of club premises at 199 Two Mile Hill Road, Kingswood, Bristol and any further premises acquired by BRSC. 2.9 To operate BRSC on a professional basis including its activities and its assets in accordance with the wishes of its members. 2.10 To administer the BRSC Share Scheme (“BRSCSS”) and to endeavour to ensure that in all things BRSC, BRSCSS and BRFC act in accordance with the Subscription Agreement dated 15th November 2003 and any future agreed changes thereto.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 16:41:32 GMT
Raise funds for various parts of the fc.Who do you think organised the raise a roof fundraiser for the blackthorn end.They also fund a number of things associated with the youth set up And they are quite happy to take my money for various things including £4/game for 50/50 tickets and I am not even a member! In fact they probably get more money off me than the vast majority of members and suspect if I paid my six quid for membership it would hardly make a difference. I would suggest lots of supporters are not members and yet the SC claims to raise all these various funds from its members, when in reality that's simply not true. Same here, but if the SC hadn't sorted tickets and people to sell them i wouldn't have been able to buy them.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 3, 2019 17:06:10 GMT
Just for some factual info the SC made a profit of 7k last year up from a 60k loss the year before. Mainly due to a decrease in expenditure (assume that is down to 199 closing and reduced staffing going by numbers)
Revenue was sown some 28k, this includes a 6k drop in membership revenues. (Based on a ten pound membership approx drop of 600 members)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:12:15 GMT
Raise funds for various parts of the fc.Who do you think organised the raise a roof fundraiser for the blackthorn end.They also fund a number of things associated with the youth set up And they are quite happy to take my money for various things including £4/game for 50/50 tickets and I am not even a member! In fact they probably get more money off me than the vast majority of members and suspect if I paid my six quid for membership it would hardly make a difference. I would suggest lots of supporters are not members and yet the SC claims to raise all these various funds from its members, when in reality that's simply not true. So why do you buy the 50.50 tickets out of altruism or the chance to win a grand
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:13:32 GMT
Warning for Padstow and S.C. hierarchy. Asteroids still exist. So do haemorrhoids
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