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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:15:21 GMT
In that case that you quote that every fan should have a vote and say in the running of the s.c then I would encourage all members to stop paying membership fees,then when the sc run out of money we will be able to turn to you and hugo and ask you to take over what we pay for,My money is we wouldn't see either of you for dust if that scenario happened. Any fan can have a say all they have to do is sign up and pay a small fee for the privilege. As far as I am concered I have no problem with the way the sc is run and will continue to pay my membership and in all honesty you can say what you like but as you are not a member it matters not one iota And you know I'm not a member how? The constant carping on here whereas if you were a member you would attend meetings and try to convince others you are right but you dont ergo you arent
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:17:23 GMT
But if the members are in the main satisfied with how the club is run and continue to pay our membership fees why should those who wont join or pay the annual fee have any say in how the club is run. Would you dare to tell the Masonic lodges that they shouldn't be secretive about what they do without being a member. I can imagine their response But the supporters club claim to represent the fan base as a whole, not just their club members. If they are to aspire to that claim then they need to make sure they are fully inclusive of all members. They also need to openly communicate with the fanbase. If it’s only the club members they represent then they need to state that and quite honestly, leave the rest of the fan base out of their decision making. The reason why I won’t join, and many I know won’t join is because of the actions, attitude and conduct, let’s be generous and say the minority of some within the SC. Not only that, that very conduct and attitude is accepted, condoned and excused by the very person voted to represent the SC on the board! If that wasn’t the case, at the last AGM he would have had the back bone to stand up and control the members who voted him to that position, preventing the vitriolic and toxic atmosphere that in the room that evening. Now at this point GI will say that I’m bullying a 70+ year old man. I’m not. I’m simply pointing out the weak and disrespectful leadership which is filtering down of the rank and file member of the SC and then spreading to the fanbase of those that associate with non members. That’s why it’s cancerous and why a rank and file fan quite rightly should have an opinion on the SC until they state otherwise. You can have an opinion but it counts for nothing in the grand scheme of things
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:20:09 GMT
Just for some factual info the SC made a profit of 7k last year up from a 60k loss the year before. Mainly due to a decrease in expenditure (assume that is down to 199 closing and reduced staffing going by numbers) Revenue was sown some 28k, this includes a 6k drop in membership revenues. (Based on a ten pound membership approx drop of 600 members) And I can hazard a guess why that is
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 3, 2019 17:37:43 GMT
But the supporters club claim to represent the fan base as a whole, not just their club members. If they are to aspire to that claim then they need to make sure they are fully inclusive of all members. They also need to openly communicate with the fanbase. If it’s only the club members they represent then they need to state that and quite honestly, leave the rest of the fan base out of their decision making. The reason why I won’t join, and many I know won’t join is because of the actions, attitude and conduct, let’s be generous and say the minority of some within the SC. Not only that, that very conduct and attitude is accepted, condoned and excused by the very person voted to represent the SC on the board! If that wasn’t the case, at the last AGM he would have had the back bone to stand up and control the members who voted him to that position, preventing the vitriolic and toxic atmosphere that in the room that evening. Now at this point GI will say that I’m bullying a 70+ year old man. I’m not. I’m simply pointing out the weak and disrespectful leadership which is filtering down of the rank and file member of the SC and then spreading to the fanbase of those that associate with non members. That’s why it’s cancerous and why a rank and file fan quite rightly should have an opinion on the SC until they state otherwise. You can have an opinion but it counts for nothing in the grand scheme of things Thats true of both Members and Non Members.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 3, 2019 17:42:49 GMT
And you know I'm not a member how? The constant carping on here whereas if you were a member you would attend meetings and try to convince others you are right but you dont ergo you arent Nah, you are right. I'm not I must admit that prior to this thread I had always assumed that the SC and fans director were supposed to represent all fans and I am happy to have been to have been corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:43:46 GMT
And they are quite happy to take my money for various things including £4/game for 50/50 tickets and I am not even a member! In fact they probably get more money off me than the vast majority of members and suspect if I paid my six quid for membership it would hardly make a difference. I would suggest lots of supporters are not members and yet the SC claims to raise all these various funds from its members, when in reality that's simply not true. So why do you buy the 50.50 tickets out of altruism or the chance to win a grand Definately the former, would not want to stop the true supporters of the club i.e the supporters club winning their own draw. And let's be honest the prize would hardly be worth winning if only SC members were allowed to buy tickets.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 3, 2019 17:58:03 GMT
Why did Brian used to relentlessly tour the ground on matchdays as a supporters club rep, taking suggestions and comment from everyone irregardless of whether a SC member or not?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 18:10:39 GMT
Why did Brian used to relentlessly tour the ground on matchdays as a supporters club rep, taking suggestions and comment from everyone irregardless of whether a SC member or not? But did anything ever come of them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 18:14:22 GMT
Why did Brian used to relentlessly tour the ground on matchdays as a supporters club rep, taking suggestions and comment from everyone irregardless of whether a SC member or not? But did anything ever come of them New TV,'s for the bars!
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Post by gregsy on Nov 3, 2019 18:15:32 GMT
Why did Brian used to relentlessly tour the ground on matchdays as a supporters club rep, taking suggestions and comment from everyone irregardless of whether a SC member or not? But did anything ever come of them I don't know, I thought I was just a nice touch to have someone about to raise issues with if need be. Personally I didn't see a need to take issue with anything as a bloke in his late 30's but people with kids or disabilities might be reassured that some one is about that has time to listen.... I only chatted about generic rovers related stuff with the guy, seemed a decent bloke, and was the reason I joined and then un-joined the SC....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 18:16:09 GMT
Why did Brian used to relentlessly tour the ground on matchdays as a supporters club rep, taking suggestions and comment from everyone irregardless of whether a SC member or not? Spot on Paul, at least BSS at least tried to fulfil his role, something that KM did not do.
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Post by orgasmic on Nov 3, 2019 18:21:45 GMT
Why did Brian used to relentlessly tour the ground on matchdays as a supporters club rep, taking suggestions and comment from everyone irregardless of whether a SC member or not? Spot on Paul, at least BSS at least tried to fulfil his role, something that KM did not do. I'm not a huge fan of KM but in fairness I see him at 99% of games I attend and he always comes over for a chat. I think it's unfair to say he doesn't try to fulfil his role. With the growing list of other things he does for the club as detailed in this thread he appears half decent at a role which is on a hiding to nothing!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 18:30:26 GMT
But did anything ever come of them I don't know, I thought I was just a nice touch to have someone about to raise issues with if need be. Personally I didn't see a need to take issue with anything as a bloke in his late 30's but people with kids or disabilities might be reassured that some one is about that has time to listen.... I only chatted about generic rovers related stuff with the guy, seemed a decent bloke, and was the reason I joined and then un-joined the SC.... Didnt last long
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 18:31:47 GMT
Why did Brian used to relentlessly tour the ground on matchdays as a supporters club rep, taking suggestions and comment from everyone irregardless of whether a SC member or not? Spot on Paul, at least BSS at least tried to fulfil his role, something that KM did not do. So you have never seen him in the bars on matchday.strange I see him most matches that I attend
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 18:32:46 GMT
But did anything ever come of them New TV,'s for the bars! Wonder who paid for them
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Post by lpgas on Nov 3, 2019 18:33:42 GMT
I left the supporters club the day we drew Barnsley away in the cup, never, ever, ever to return
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 18:33:56 GMT
So why do you buy the 50.50 tickets out of altruism or the chance to win a grand Definately the former, would not want to stop the true supporters of the club i.e the supporters club winning their own draw. And let's be honest the prize would hardly be worth winning if only SC members were allowed to buy tickets. But think of the money you would save
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Post by gregsy on Nov 3, 2019 18:37:27 GMT
I don't know, I thought I was just a nice touch to have someone about to raise issues with if need be. Personally I didn't see a need to take issue with anything as a bloke in his late 30's but people with kids or disabilities might be reassured that some one is about that has time to listen.... I only chatted about generic rovers related stuff with the guy, seemed a decent bloke, and was the reason I joined and then un-joined the SC.... Didnt last long Which is a shame....
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 3, 2019 18:52:22 GMT
Spot on Paul, at least BSS at least tried to fulfil his role, something that KM did not do. So you have never seen him in the bars on matchday.strange I see him most matches that I attend I agree, I think I have probably seen him at every game and normally in and around the clubhouse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 19:26:16 GMT
Wonder who paid for them. Our previous owner!
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