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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 19:30:16 GMT
So you have never seen him in the bars on matchday.strange I see him most matches that I attend I agree, I think I have probably seen him at every game and normally in and around the clubhouse. That puts another lie to bed
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Nov 3, 2019 19:37:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 19:37:15 GMT
I agree, I think I have probably seen him at every game and normally in and around the clubhouse. That puts another lie to bed We have all seen him, but what has he actually achieved for the SC members?
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Post by peterparker on Nov 3, 2019 19:49:01 GMT
Just for some factual info the SC made a profit of 7k last year up from a 60k loss the year before. Mainly due to a decrease in expenditure (assume that is down to 199 closing and reduced staffing going by numbers) Revenue was sown some 28k, this includes a 6k drop in membership revenues. (Based on a ten pound membership approx drop of 600 members) And I can hazard a guess why that is Whats that then?
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Post by Somersetgas on Nov 3, 2019 20:06:58 GMT
Lots of infighting here yet again, it’s getting very tedious on here again, people in the know, people who think they are better than others because they are in the know, I’m glad I just turn up and know nothing. makes you wonder what it’s all about? let’s not forget we actually won at the weekend.....
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Nov 3, 2019 20:32:45 GMT
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 3, 2019 20:32:45 GMT
That puts another lie to bed We have all seen him, but what has he actually achieved for the SC members? Gasincder posted this earlier on in the thread: "With regard to the community trust, in 2004, it seemed that our community department was about to fold, with no facilities worthy of the name being available, and no funding. Ken decided not to allow that to happen, as it would mean the sh** would have the whole of Bristol to themselves. So, he put a considerable sum of his own money into the scheme, and worked to get additional funding from other sources, and approached a number of schools in the area who between them raised more funds to start a revamped community trust with funding of about £35k. To cut a long story short, this was in about 2008. Ken appointed Adam Tutton, and started promoting the Trust as hard as he could, with massive support from Adam. This year, the Trust has just achieved a turnover of over £500,000, has had fantastic success in helping people in all walks of life in the area, so much so, that in 2018, it won the Bristol Life Charity of the year award, and this year it has received the Gloucester County FA community award. It is presently short listed with Cardiff City and Sunderland for a national business award. The decision will be made later this month. Cardiff and Sunderland receive huge backing from their parent clubs, whilst ours doesn't. As for the gas girls, for some years now, funding was promised to get them back up and running. Nothing transpired, so in May, Ken apparently asked the supporters club for £2000, to get the required kit and a few footballs, to get the girls up and running. He said he would need the funding before August to get the project under way. The supporters club decided it was a worthy project, and immediately donated £5000, literally the following day. The gas girls advertised they were reforming, and on the first day, over 140 ladies and girls reported at the training site. There were only only a couple of staff to cope, and they were shocked at the response. But they were determined not to turn anyone away, and selections were made as to groups to represent the first team and the development squad, whilst most of the others were encouraged to play in in house matches if only to achieve higher levels of fitness, and generally creating an avenue for socialising and getting people out into the fresh air. Since then, the staff has increased to 10, including two who were present with Adam and Ken last night, who were brilliant representatives for the girls and consequently the club. They were all of the same opinion, and couldn't praise Ken enough for his efforts in creating the new gas girls network, and I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised by the efforts Ken, who is a retired guy has put in. He worked in the the education system for some years, and used his experiences to help create a classroom set up to run B-Tech courses, which apparently are the equivalent of a three A Level course. This I believe is in the West Stand."
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Post by knowall on Nov 3, 2019 20:43:06 GMT
But if the members are in the main satisfied with how the club is run and continue to pay our membership fees why should those who wont join or pay the annual fee have any say in how the club is run. Would you dare to tell the Masonic lodges that they shouldn't be secretive about what they do without being a member. I can imagine their response I wouldn't, but I'd defend the right of others to. And are you suggesting that the supporters club is only there for the benefit of SC members and not all fans then? The SC is actually there for the benefit of the Football Club, as are all the support groups, and if you REALLY support Bristol Rovers then you should join one of the support groups and partake with a generous heart. And if you do not want to join a support group at least donate because all money raised is for the benefit of Bristol Rovers. I cannot understand the nasty attitude towards those that give their time freely, just think 'what do you do?' that benefits our Football Club?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 3, 2019 20:50:27 GMT
I actually have no idea what the supporters club does, I think they might organise away travel? Raise funds for various parts of the fc.Who do you think organised the raise a roof fundraiser for the blackthorn end.They also fund a number of things associated with the youth set up Wow something that happened almost 20 years ago!
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Post by knowall on Nov 3, 2019 20:55:19 GMT
Raise funds for various parts of the fc.Who do you think organised the raise a roof fundraiser for the blackthorn end.They also fund a number of things associated with the youth set up Wow something that happened almost 20 years ago! Wow how much have you raised BishopstonBRFC?
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Post by Somersetgas on Nov 3, 2019 21:04:10 GMT
Wow something that happened almost 20 years ago! Wow how much have you raised BishopstonBRFC? Not everyone is in the position to raise money, they struggle to get to games and have to pick and choose because of money issues. Don’t be so judgmental.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 3, 2019 21:06:40 GMT
Wow something that happened almost 20 years ago! Wow how much have you raised BishopstonBRFC? I can't really be bothered to count back the amount of 50/50 tickets I've bought and memberships I once bought but certainly wouldn't do again as it just feels like an old boys club and has absolutely no connection with the younger element of our fan base which, as a 30 year old, I'm just about still a part of. I'm sure there's something more recent they've raised money for. However, if it's true that they lost 600 members from the previous season yet clearly have no interest in modernising or attracting new members then how much longer will it really survive?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 21:10:12 GMT
The supporters club website states the following-
Bristol Rovers Supporters Club is a strong, independent and influential organisation run by fans, for the fans.
If it’s only for it’s members the wording may need updating
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Nov 3, 2019 21:35:50 GMT
Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 3, 2019 21:35:50 GMT
I've joined the supporters club for the last few seasons.
From that I've received 3 membership cards. And a solitary newsletter.
I'm not sure what I'm getting from it to be honest other than being able to go in the supporters bar on a match day, but even then I've never been asked for my card to go in there.
Only this year have I been invited to an AGM, no other events.
I'll keep signing up as I believe in the intent but I do question what it's all for.
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Nov 3, 2019 21:36:52 GMT
Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 3, 2019 21:36:52 GMT
I left the supporters club the day we drew Barnsley away in the cup, never, ever, ever to return Curious as to why that might be?
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Post by aghast on Nov 3, 2019 22:19:02 GMT
Ken Masters ought to know what's going on with the club, the training ground, and our new stadium. He's on the board FFS.
If he's not being told anything, he needs to tell us that he's not given any information, or at least those that join the SC. And then people can ask why he's not being told anything. Is it because he's not asking them questions and asserting himself in his role? Or he's being excluded from these discussions? In which case he needs to come out and say so, and the fans, or at least those who join the SC, can then make representations to the board about this issue. Maybe Ken could do it?
If he is being told stuff, but doesn't tell anyone what he's being told, then he is not representing the fans, or at least those who join the SC. There might be some legitimate reasons for this, but saying nothing at all is not helpful.
I suppose as a non-member, I have no right to say this.
But you would think that the members of the SC would be asking those questions.
Maybe if they did, I would sign up for membership. As it is, I can't see any point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 23:34:34 GMT
I left the supporters club the day we drew Barnsley away in the cup, never, ever, ever to return Curious as to why that might be? I think that's when the club put the tickets on general sale straight away as they didn't think there would be much demand. They sold out in a couple of hours.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 4, 2019 5:53:46 GMT
I wouldn't, but I'd defend the right of others to. And are you suggesting that the supporters club is only there for the benefit of SC members and not all fans then? The SC is actually there for the benefit of the Football Club, as are all the support groups, and if you REALLY support Bristol Rovers then you should join one of the support groups and partake with a generous heart. And if you do not want to join a support group at least donate because all money raised is for the benefit of Bristol Rovers. I cannot understand the nasty attitude towards those that give their time freely, just think 'what do you do?' that benefits our Football Club? I'm part of both this forum and the Fans Forum Sponsor club as well as holding 2 season tickets and my son is in the Young Pirates. I'd argue I'm part of at least 4 fan groups and contribute a lot more than the fee for joining the SC as well as a considerable amount of time. The sneering attitudes of some would indicate its not a group I wish to be part of but in all honesty I'm tempted to join just so that I have the right to say I dont want to join.
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Nov 4, 2019 8:25:35 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2019 8:25:35 GMT
The supporters club website states the following- Bristol Rovers Supporters Club is a strong, independent and influential organisation run by fans, for the fans. If it’s only for it’s members the wording may need updating It’s misleading. In one light they say they represent the whole fan base but in another in the small print, it’s for club members. Which is it? There was a quote on here some time ago from a member that they represent a certain high percentage of the whole fanbase. But when called for numbers none were produced. Either way, with such a percentage shareholding in the club, it doesn’t excuse the disrespectful behaviour that some of the members are guilty of which was condoned by the director, and whilst my opinion isn’t valid for the running of the club, if I see something that is potentially destructive as a Bristol Rovers fan, it’s with in my right to call it out and give my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 8:35:39 GMT
The SC is actually there for the benefit of the Football Club, as are all the support groups, and if you REALLY support Bristol Rovers then you should join one of the support groups and partake with a generous heart. And if you do not want to join a support group at least donate because all money raised is for the benefit of Bristol Rovers. I cannot understand the nasty attitude towards those that give their time freely, just think 'what do you do?' that benefits our Football Club? I'm part of both this forum and the Fans Forum Sponsor club as well as holding 2 season tickets and my son is in the Young Pirates. I'd argue I'm part of at least 4 fan groups and contribute a lot more than the fee for joining the SC as well as a considerable amount of time. The sneering attitudes of some would indicate its not a group I wish to be part of but in all honesty I'm tempted to join just so that I have the right to say I dont want to join. Spot on Hugo. As I have said before, a quick look at the FFSC roll of honour shows you that the majority of the most prolific and controversial posters on this forum have never bothered to cough up a tenner for membership. That includes several on this thread alone. One things for sure 100% of our ten pound membership and every other thing we do goes to BRFC. Furthermore everyone involved takes nothing out of it as they are all volunteers. I would even go as far as to say since its inception it has raised more money per head of membership than the supporters club. It's a sad fact that over the years only a limited number of people on this forum have joined the FFSC in spite of what we have achieved and if they had done and still could, we would have done a lot more. Finally I would suggest a good rant/argument/slag off/debate (delete as applicable) on this forum is surely worth a tenner/season for the privilege. UTG!
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Nov 4, 2019 9:49:58 GMT
Post by knowall on Nov 4, 2019 9:49:58 GMT
The SC is actually there for the benefit of the Football Club, as are all the support groups, and if you REALLY support Bristol Rovers then you should join one of the support groups and partake with a generous heart.
And if you do not want to join a support group at least donate because all money raised is for the benefit of Bristol Rovers. I cannot understand the nasty attitude towards those that give their time freely, just think 'what do you do?' that benefits our Football Club? I'm part of both this forum and the Fans Forum Sponsor club as well as holding 2 season tickets and my son is in the Young Pirates. I'd argue I'm part of at least 4 fan groups and contribute a lot more than the fee for joining the SC as well as a considerable amount of time. The sneering attitudes of some would indicate its not a group I wish to be part of but in all honesty I'm tempted to join just so that I have the right to say I dont want to join. Perhaps you commented before actually understanding what I put. As a member of FFSC and your son a member of the YP you are indeed both members of a support group, and if all fans did as you then BRFC would be a lot better off. (and I don't just mean financially). Well done.
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Post by gasincider on Nov 4, 2019 10:17:33 GMT
Seems to me Hugo is just trying to deflect the criticism from his his buddy. Remember, slag the Post not the poster?. As for 1981, he does all sorts of wonderful things for the world, but no one can pin them down. I now fully expect that the other moderators will issue a warning about personal attacks, just not anytime soon as he's one of their own. Pathetic. Funny how 1981 doesn't know what TG earns, (one of his buddies) but manages to post what some of our players earn. As for leaks, look much closer to home. Very few people could have given you the info on players wages, and I don't think Starnes would be daft enough to do it. As for your frustration re potential takeovers, it must be frustrating that your source knows so little about what is happening. As for the AGM, neither 1981 or TG were entitled to be there, so spout any bullshit you like, if you were not a shareholder you were not entitled to be there. I find your indulgent attention on me GI all rather flattering but you really aren’t my type! Please hire a private investigator if you want to “pin down what I do in the world”. Why would I want or need to know what TG earns? It has no relevance. This is the kind of attitude that does not do you, the supporters club, shareholders or the people in your clique no favours. How can you say, if you want to change it join, when you are the very people I seek to avoid at all costs in every walk of life, you are part of the problem and you are to dumb to see it. I wasted an evening of my own time, time I could have spent with my family, to go and learn a thing or 2 about the SC. I mean you cant get hold of KM anyway, but to have you all in the same room was an opportunity to see how you function and work together, what kind of message you put across and see what the opinions are. The reason I went was because I wanted to possibly join and throw some ideas in. But most of you acted like a bunch of petulant children. Baiting for an argument, shouting over the top of each other coming up with all sorts of diatribe and wild accusations. That isn’t BS, that is the truth. And you were the ringleader GI. Whilst KM sat there and let it all happen. He said the square root of zero all evening. Which is also incredibly disrespectful. Effectively it’s his club, he should control its members. And he did nothing. Weak weak leadership. I sat there in a state of disbelief that the SC could actually have the lack of decency first of all to treat the owners and representatives of those owners with such disrespect but also show no signs of wanting to work together. It was all them and us situation. And what’s worse is that you think that kind of behaviour is acceptable and excusable and part of a healthy way to run an organisation. That is a cancer that spreads through a football club and is spreading at a rapid rate. No indulgent attention, other than to call attention to your bullying attitude to an older fan. Didnt say you wanted to know what TG earns, I said you managed to publish what several of our players earn, so not difficult to find what TG earns. Same source could tell you. You wish to avoid people like me. Brilliant. You know nowt about me, but I know you take delight in bullying two of our older fans, so you are consequently a bully. As for dumb, well I would hazard a guess that my degree is better than your GCSE in media studies, so I don't think I have to worry about my intelligence level. Talking of dumb, you say you wasted an evening of your time to find out about the sc. Not sure where you were, but it was the football club AGM you were at. Were you not aware of that? It was nothing to do with the supporters Club. You considered joining a club which was a football club AGM which you cannot join as no further shares are available. All sorts of diatribe and accusations. Kindly clarify, as no examples. Ken mentioned again. He was one of several directors, NOT SC MEMBERS, BUT SHAREHOLDERS. Perhaps you are the only person at the club who doesn't know that nothing gets relayed via board meetings. They've even held one in Jordan. You should have gate crashed that one. That really sounds like fair representation doesn't it. The behaviour that is most reprehensible is that of bullying elderly people. You are the most obvious example of that obnoxious behaviour. If you don't want to be called out for it, don't do it.
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