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Post by knowall on Nov 4, 2019 10:31:21 GMT
Wow how much have you raised BishopstonBRFC? I can't really be bothered to count back the amount of 50/50 tickets I've bought and memberships I once bought but certainly wouldn't do again as it just feels like an old boys club and has absolutely no connection with the younger element of our fan base which, as a 30 year old, I'm just about still a part of. I'm sure there's something more recent they've raised money for. However, if it's true that they lost 600 members from the previous season yet clearly have no interest in modernising or attracting new members then how much longer will it really survive? Buying 50/50 tickets is certainly a way of giving real support to the SC which in turn benefits BRFC - so that is good, and if you do consider the SC needs changing then the only people that can do that are the membership and so if more who feel like you join then change can be achieved.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 4, 2019 10:37:06 GMT
I can't really be bothered to count back the amount of 50/50 tickets I've bought and memberships I once bought but certainly wouldn't do again as it just feels like an old boys club and has absolutely no connection with the younger element of our fan base which, as a 30 year old, I'm just about still a part of. I'm sure there's something more recent they've raised money for. However, if it's true that they lost 600 members from the previous season yet clearly have no interest in modernising or attracting new members then how much longer will it really survive? Buying 50/50 tickets is certainly a way of giving real support to the SC which in turn benefits BRFC - so that is good, and if you do consider the SC needs changing then the only people that can do that are the membership and so if more who feel like you join then change can be achieved. I guess therein lies the rub and is where I and some others are. Does the SC need to change to attract new people or do new people need to join to change the SC? Genuine question and is the nub of what I've been trying to argue. Not trying to be a dick, though I appreciate I may have come over that way so apologies for that.
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Post by gasincider on Nov 4, 2019 11:14:15 GMT
Buying 50/50 tickets is certainly a way of giving real support to the SC which in turn benefits BRFC - so that is good, and if you do consider the SC needs changing then the only people that can do that are the membership and so if more who feel like you join then change can be achieved. I guess therein lies the rub and is where I and some others are. Does the SC need to change to attract new people or do new people need to join to change the SC? Genuine question and is the nub of what I've been trying to argue. Not trying to be a dick, though I appreciate I may have come over that way so apologies for that. I think the answer is both Hugo. I recently joined as I wanted to know the reality, not a prejudiced view. You are spot on.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2019 11:14:31 GMT
I find your indulgent attention on me GI all rather flattering but you really aren’t my type! Please hire a private investigator if you want to “pin down what I do in the world”. Why would I want or need to know what TG earns? It has no relevance. This is the kind of attitude that does not do you, the supporters club, shareholders or the people in your clique no favours. How can you say, if you want to change it join, when you are the very people I seek to avoid at all costs in every walk of life, you are part of the problem and you are to dumb to see it. I wasted an evening of my own time, time I could have spent with my family, to go and learn a thing or 2 about the SC. I mean you cant get hold of KM anyway, but to have you all in the same room was an opportunity to see how you function and work together, what kind of message you put across and see what the opinions are. The reason I went was because I wanted to possibly join and throw some ideas in. But most of you acted like a bunch of petulant children. Baiting for an argument, shouting over the top of each other coming up with all sorts of diatribe and wild accusations. That isn’t BS, that is the truth. And you were the ringleader GI. Whilst KM sat there and let it all happen. He said the square root of zero all evening. Which is also incredibly disrespectful. Effectively it’s his club, he should control its members. And he did nothing. Weak weak leadership. I sat there in a state of disbelief that the SC could actually have the lack of decency first of all to treat the owners and representatives of those owners with such disrespect but also show no signs of wanting to work together. It was all them and us situation. And what’s worse is that you think that kind of behaviour is acceptable and excusable and part of a healthy way to run an organisation. That is a cancer that spreads through a football club and is spreading at a rapid rate. No indulgent attention, other than to call attention to your bullying attitude to an older fan. Didnt say you wanted to know what TG earns, I said you managed to publish what several of our players earn, so not difficult to find what TG earns. Same source could tell you. You wish to avoid people like me. Brilliant. You know nowt about me, but I know you take delight in bullying two of our older fans, so you are consequently a bully. As for dumb, well I would hazard a guess that my degree is better than your GCSE in media studies, so I don't think I have to worry about my intelligence level. Talking of dumb, you say you wasted an evening of your time to find out about the sc. Not sure where you were, but it was the football club AGM you were at. Were you not aware of that? It was nothing to do with the supporters Club. You considered joining a club which was a football club AGM which you cannot join as no further shares are available. All sorts of diatribe and accusations. Kindly clarify, as no examples. Ken mentioned again. He was one of several directors, NOT SC MEMBERS, BUT SHAREHOLDERS. Perhaps you are the only person at the club who doesn't know that nothing gets relayed via board meetings. They've even held one in Jordan. You should have gate crashed that one. That really sounds like fair representation doesn't it. The behaviour that is most reprehensible is that of bullying elderly people. You are the most obvious example of that obnoxious behaviour. If you don't want to be called out for it, don't do it. Brian, I haven't bullied anyone, least of all Ken Masters, and if I have posted anything that may constitute bullying, please report it to the mods and the owner of the forum. If you are saying that KM is too thin skinned/too frail/beyond ability to serve on the board and to have questions answered or accept criticism then he really should consider his position and ceed to another person and go back to being a behind the scenes and a normal member. It comes with the territory of being a director, as you would know being a high flying finance accounts director yourself. As regards the source of certain info, perhaps you could tell me what source you think that is and I will either confirm or deny it. All the degrees and education in the world is no substitute for manners, articulate decency and common sense and sadly it cannot be taught either, and you displayed an absolute lack of them at the AGM, of which I gave full examples of the very next day, and since on other threads when we have locked horns, and what you accused the Al'Qadi's of was without foundation or evidence. I could repeat it here if you wish. To repeat, I went to the AGM to glean an indication of what the shareholders, some of which are part of the SC are about, which, KM as their representative was sat at the top table to be in control of, was he not? There is so much crap flying about between the board and club its actually hard to know what to believe, it certainly gave me an eyeopener!
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2019 11:24:50 GMT
Buying 50/50 tickets is certainly a way of giving real support to the SC which in turn benefits BRFC - so that is good, and if you do consider the SC needs changing then the only people that can do that are the membership and so if more who feel like you join then change can be achieved. I guess therein lies the rub and is where I and some others are. Does the SC need to change to attract new people or do new people need to join to change the SC? Genuine question and is the nub of what I've been trying to argue. Not trying to be a dick, though I appreciate I may have come over that way so apologies for that. This is exactly my point, and from the outside looking in, it will take 4 or 5 people of the same mindset to affect real change. Again from the outside looking in, the ones who are at the top table may not want change, won't see the need for it, or perhaps dont understand the extent it needs to change. If the SC set out some key objectives they wanted to achieve, but said they were unable to fulfil those objectives due to a lack of support/experience/understanding then it would probably open a few doors for fans to consider joining. But the fact there are no real key objectives, means it looks like its just bumbling from one year to the next with the only objectives being ideas that KM or JC come up with and don't actively publish or advertise. Credit to Brian, we have actually found out more about the SC and its achievements from his post than from the SC itself. What does that tell you? So do we actually know what the SC want to do in say 3-5 years from now and what they want to achieve? Because apart from raising funds for the club, which is entirely obvious, there isn't anything on the website which sets out any form of mission statement. Thats not being negative, that's just fact. I think the SC is a great idea, with lots of good things in it, with a fantastic set of volunteers, it just needs a little more direction to be a much better success.
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 4, 2019 12:52:53 GMT
Any chance that our intrepid bunch of ITKers who have been very vocal on this thread can substantiate their claims on the FM thread?
I am a lapsed member of the SC, last time I went to the AGM (the lost/recovered money) a certain vocal member of this thread launched into a tirade that evening. The late Geoff Dunford actually defended the committee; and explained about how any organisation can be affected by fraudulent activity.
Up the Gas
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 15:07:08 GMT
Raise funds for various parts of the fc.Who do you think organised the raise a roof fundraiser for the blackthorn end.They also fund a number of things associated with the youth set up Wow something that happened almost 20 years ago! How about continual funding of youth set up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 15:09:32 GMT
Wow how much have you raised BishopstonBRFC? I can't really be bothered to count back the amount of 50/50 tickets I've bought and memberships I once bought but certainly wouldn't do again as it just feels like an old boys club and has absolutely no connection with the younger element of our fan base which, as a 30 year old, I'm just about still a part of. I'm sure there's something more recent they've raised money for. However, if it's true that they lost 600 members from the previous season yet clearly have no interest in modernising or attracting new members then how much longer will it really survive? I am fed up with all these they need to modernise comments. So how do you want them to modernise,lets have some specifics instead of generalities
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 15:15:43 GMT
I left the supporters club the day we drew Barnsley away in the cup, never, ever, ever to return out of interest what date was that,i think it was in the time of Roberts and cureton
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 15:18:37 GMT
Ken Masters ought to know what's going on with the club, the training ground, and our new stadium. He's on the board FFS. If he's not being told anything, he needs to tell us that he's not given any information, or at least those that join the SC. And then people can ask why he's not being told anything. Is it because he's not asking them questions and asserting himself in his role? Or he's being excluded from these discussions? In which case he needs to come out and say so, and the fans, or at least those who join the SC, can then make representations to the board about this issue. Maybe Ken could do it? If he is being told stuff, but doesn't tell anyone what he's being told, then he is not representing the fans, or at least those who join the SC. There might be some legitimate reasons for this, but saying nothing at all is not helpful. I suppose as a non-member, I have no right to say this. But you would think that the members of the SC would be asking those questions. Maybe if they did, I would sign up for membership. As it is, I can't see any point. Who is to say we haven't questioned ken about what is going on
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 4, 2019 15:38:08 GMT
One day, making tracks in the prairie of Prax....
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I can't really be bothered to count back the amount of 50/50 tickets I've bought and memberships I once bought but certainly wouldn't do again as it just feels like an old boys club and has absolutely no connection with the younger element of our fan base which, as a 30 year old, I'm just about still a part of. I'm sure there's something more recent they've raised money for. However, if it's true that they lost 600 members from the previous season yet clearly have no interest in modernising or attracting new members then how much longer will it really survive? I am fed up with all these they need to modernise comments. So how do you want them to modernise,lets have some specifics instead of generalities I’ve not been particularly critical on this thread but I have some ideas that may “modernise” the SC 1) The Logo hasn’t changed for years, it looks dated and could do with a revamp 2) The people who sit at the top table aren’t appealing to younger fans nor are they very diverse, an addition of some younger people and possibly some different ethnicities would help hugely. 3)The functions organised aren’t inviting for your 18-30 fan base, then again they aren’t well publicised either which brings me on to point 4... 4) PR, they no doubt do some very good work but is it out there? Someone who’s willing to shout it from the rooftops per say would be a great addition and get the club more publicity. For the record I’m not saying that the SC don’t want these things and I’m aware it’s a case of chicken and egg with some of them. Just my two pence worth
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Post by oliverhelmet on Nov 4, 2019 16:25:25 GMT
I can't really be bothered to count back the amount of 50/50 tickets I've bought and memberships I once bought but certainly wouldn't do again as it just feels like an old boys club and has absolutely no connection with the younger element of our fan base which, as a 30 year old, I'm just about still a part of. I'm sure there's something more recent they've raised money for. However, if it's true that they lost 600 members from the previous season yet clearly have no interest in modernising or attracting new members then how much longer will it really survive? I am fed up with all these they need to modernise comments. So how do you want them to modernise,lets have some specifics instead of generalities The thing is when the late Rod Chapman put himself up for election,he failed to get in because the old guard voted against him.You and others come out with “throw your hat into the ring if you want a say” but the S.C. is clearly a closed shop as proven by the above instance.Its a nice cosy old boys club and you plainly want it to stay that way. Before you ask,I am a S.C. member,purely for use of the away travel service which I utilise probably 3 or 4 times a season as that makes it a financially beneficial route to go down for me. The S.C.do many good things for the greater good of BRFC but it will naturally die a death if new blood is NOT ACCEPTED onto the top table.Do you accept that Padstow?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 16:37:43 GMT
I am fed up with all these they need to modernise comments. So how do you want them to modernise,lets have some specifics instead of generalities I’ve not been particularly critical on this thread but I have some ideas that may “modernise” the SC 1) The Logo hasn’t changed for years, it looks dated and could do with a revamp 2) The people who sit at the top table aren’t appealing to younger fans nor are they very diverse, an addition of some younger people and possibly some different ethnicities would help hugely. 3)The functions organised aren’t inviting for your 18-30 fan base, then again they aren’t well publicised either which brings me on to point 4... 4) PR, they no doubt do some very good work but is it out there? Someone who’s willing to shout it from the rooftops per say would be a great addition and get the club more publicity. For the record I’m not saying that the SC don’t want these things and I’m aware it’s a case of chicken and egg with some of them. Just my two pence worth very good points but with all the negative things being said about the sc how are we going to attract the new young members and then are they going to be willing to put themselves forward for election and get the abuse the current executive gets,would you? Secondly do you really think spending money on researching and printing costs would be acceptable to the scs critics?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 16:42:20 GMT
I am fed up with all these they need to modernise comments. So how do you want them to modernise,lets have some specifics instead of generalities The thing is when the late Rod Chapman put himself up for election,he failed to get in because the old guard voted against him.You and others come out with “throw your hat into the ring if you want a say” but the S.C. is clearly a closed shop as proven by the above instance.Its a nice cosy old boys club and you plainly want it to stay that way. Before you ask,I am a S.C. member,purely for use of the away travel service which I utilise probably 3 or 4 times a season as that makes it a financially beneficial route to go down for me. The S.C.do many good things for the greater good of BRFC but it will naturally die a death if new blood is NOT ACCEPTED onto the top table.Do you accept that Padstow? 2 points I helped Rod with his attempts to win election but he was up against a savvy media trained opponent who used all his expertise to win enough votes but Rod got a commendable number of votes and would probably have won against anyone other than bss.Its ok saying new blood all the time but where is it? and how do you propose we get them to stand for election.Or maybe you could put your name forward next time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 16:42:51 GMT
I’ve not been particularly critical on this thread but I have some ideas that may “modernise” the SC 1) The Logo hasn’t changed for years, it looks dated and could do with a revamp 2) The people who sit at the top table aren’t appealing to younger fans nor are they very diverse, an addition of some younger people and possibly some different ethnicities would help hugely. 3)The functions organised aren’t inviting for your 18-30 fan base, then again they aren’t well publicised either which brings me on to point 4... 4) PR, they no doubt do some very good work but is it out there? Someone who’s willing to shout it from the rooftops per say would be a great addition and get the club more publicity. For the record I’m not saying that the SC don’t want these things and I’m aware it’s a case of chicken and egg with some of them. Just my two pence worth very good points but with all the negative things being said about the sc how are we going to attract the new young members and then are they going to be willing to put themselves forward for election and get the abuse the current executive gets,would you? Secondly do you really think spending money on researching and printing costs would be acceptable to the scs critics? There are always people out there willing, like I said it’s a case of chicken and egg I am aware
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Post by yattongas on Nov 4, 2019 16:51:27 GMT
I’ve joined the supporters club a few times over the years. In my younger days ( before I could drive) I joined to use the supporters coaches to away games. Since being able to drive I’ve never used the coaches as I’ve driven myself. The only other reason I’ve joined since is for priority group 2 ( I think 🤔?) membership for buying tickets on the off chance we have a great season and big games could sell out or we get a great draw in the cup and it improved my chances of buying a ticket . I’d guess most people that join do so for similar reasons . Other than that it’s pretty much irrelevant
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2019 16:59:03 GMT
I can't really be bothered to count back the amount of 50/50 tickets I've bought and memberships I once bought but certainly wouldn't do again as it just feels like an old boys club and has absolutely no connection with the younger element of our fan base which, as a 30 year old, I'm just about still a part of. I'm sure there's something more recent they've raised money for. However, if it's true that they lost 600 members from the previous season yet clearly have no interest in modernising or attracting new members then how much longer will it really survive? I am fed up with all these they need to modernise comments. So how do you want them to modernise,lets have some specifics instead of generalities You may be fed up with it, and think it’s not needed, but for all the points Kingswood has mentioned above shows how much modernisation as a basic needs to be done. If we cherry pic the diversity one for a moment as an example, of the SC raised a mission statement to increase diversity amongst the fan base and they were looking for a person(s) to help with that then one you would probably have an increase of membership of minority backgrounds but also start to fulfill that mission statement. Things like PR and social media expertise would have someone in the fanbase who could help with that. Same with simple web traffic monitoring and design. There is many an untapped area within our own network of fans that the SC could use to their advantage.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 4, 2019 17:01:56 GMT
If we are talking about encouraging younger fans
maybe the SC should reach out to the Gascast guys (or vice versa) and have one of the podcasts involve someone from the SC
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Post by aghast on Nov 4, 2019 17:43:55 GMT
Ken Masters ought to know what's going on with the club, the training ground, and our new stadium. He's on the board FFS. If he's not being told anything, he needs to tell us that he's not given any information, or at least those that join the SC. And then people can ask why he's not being told anything. Is it because he's not asking them questions and asserting himself in his role? Or he's being excluded from these discussions? In which case he needs to come out and say so, and the fans, or at least those who join the SC, can then make representations to the board about this issue. Maybe Ken could do it? If he is being told stuff, but doesn't tell anyone what he's being told, then he is not representing the fans, or at least those who join the SC. There might be some legitimate reasons for this, but saying nothing at all is not helpful. I suppose as a non-member, I have no right to say this. But you would think that the members of the SC would be asking those questions. Maybe if they did, I would sign up for membership. As it is, I can't see any point. Who is to say we haven't questioned ken about what is going on What, you mean you have and it's a secret???
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