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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 14, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
They are clearly quite ambitious. Massively underachieving this season, a decent manager could get an awful lot more out of their squad of players. Not forgetting Khan turned us down for them also. The championship has massively changed since we were there. It's even changed in the last 5 years. The chances of a smaller ambitious club getting there are reducing all the time and the chances of an outlier staying there are also reducing. Rotherham have gone up and down like a yo-yo, Burton managed 2 yrs, Yeovil only 1. I'm not convinced any smaller clubs will get there even with a bit of money. A LOT of money & intelligence maybe. Bottom line is that the chances of having Mansfield 4th in Lge 1 around Christmas time are very very slim.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 14, 2019 21:30:21 GMT
If it's just the family then why leave us on bad terms by saying it's the playing budget etc, he said he missed his wife's birthday a couple of weeks ago to stay in Bristol, if his family was so important why didn't he just return home? Maybe she's given him an ultimatum? Who knows 'Either go to Mansfield or I'm leaving you!'
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Post by RD on Dec 14, 2019 21:34:56 GMT
Maybe she's given him an ultimatum? Who knows 'Either go to Mansfield or I'm leaving you!' Prick. Literally just spat red wine on the carpet.
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Post by axegas on Dec 14, 2019 21:36:03 GMT
'Either go to Mansfield or I'm leaving you!' Prick. Literally just spat red wine on the carpet. Is that meant to be Coughlan’s response?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:36:26 GMT
Maybe she's given him an ultimatum? Who knows 'Either go to Mansfield or I'm leaving you!' Who could love any woman enough to go to Mansfield?!
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Post by matealotblue on Dec 14, 2019 21:37:07 GMT
But none of this explains (to me) why he said what he said, when he said it. Surely the right thing to do was discuss this in the background without public spotlight on it? The other thing is that with a contract in place I thought there were protocols in place as to how a club could/should approach another club about their current manager? Without knowing how much there has been of this discussion in the confines of the club its difficult to fully understand for me. Either he still has a decision to make, in which case if it is to stay why go public now as he has said things that may make his position awkward at best in the future. Or if he is going - why say he has a decision to make when it has already been made in his mind (and I assume the owners have agreed the compensation for someone under contract.) All very odd to me.
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Post by mjg on Dec 14, 2019 21:39:18 GMT
As a football fan its hard to take, gutted. As a human being, good luck to the bloke. It takes real guts to make such a move for your family. Thanks for everything GC If it's just the family then why leave us on bad terms by saying it's the playing budget etc, he said he missed his wife's birthday a couple of weeks ago to stay in Bristol, if his family was so important why didn't he just return home? Maybe all the questions asked on fans' forums became a problem for him? Perhaps he just wasn't sure whether he should respond to crazed speculation by posting on every thread? Why didn't he just turn off his internet connection and sit on his own in his house miles from his family? Maybe his employer told him he couldn't go home. Perhaps he told them he really wanted to. It's possible that they still said no. The life of a manager, eh? And by the way despite appearances, that's not a question. Or is it?
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Post by Gassy on Dec 14, 2019 21:40:06 GMT
But none of this explains (to me) why he said what he said, when he said it. Surely the right thing to do was discuss this in the background without public spotlight on it? The other thing is that with a contract in place I thought there were protocols in place as to how a club could/should approach another club about their current manager? Without knowing how much there has been of this discussion in the confines of the club its difficult to fully understand for me. Either he still has a decision to make, in which case if it is to stay why go public now as he has said things that may make his position awkward at best in the future. Or if he is going - why say he has a decision to make when it has already been made in his mind (and I assume the owners have agreed the compensation for someone under contract.) All very odd to me. Especially considering he’s one of those blokes always mentioning he hates the attention, media, complications and lack of honesty etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:40:36 GMT
Sounds like the family issues are coming first (they live in Sheffield). We should respect him for that and thank him for what he’s done for us over the past year, and then move on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:42:03 GMT
But none of this explains (to me) why he said what he said, when he said it. Surely the right thing to do was discuss this in the background without public spotlight on it? The other thing is that with a contract in place I thought there were protocols in place as to how a club could/should approach another club about their current manager? Without knowing how much there has been of this discussion in the confines of the club its difficult to fully understand for me. Either he still has a decision to make, in which case if it is to stay why go public now as he has said things that may make his position awkward at best in the future. Or if he is going - why say he has a decision to make when it has already been made in his mind (and I assume the owners have agreed the compensation for someone under contract.) All very odd to me. He definitely shouldn’t have been public about it- the only reason for doing so is either to burn your bridges or apply pressure to the board via the fans. After reading that book on scouts that pirate recommended I got the impression that tapping up takes place all the time, agents will speak and let each other know that a manager isn’t happy and there will be cursory indications given about what he’s looking for so I really don’t think that once he is given permission to speak to them that there will be any surprises that would cause a deal to collapse. He’s definitely made his position difficult here. I wonder how he can come back from that interview?
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 14, 2019 21:42:36 GMT
If he’s taken us as far as he can where on earth does he think he can take Mansfield?! Dare I suggest he now agrees with DC? I know for a fact that DC was extremely, passionately, emotionally disappointed at what he believed were broken promises re infrastructure. I was surprised how fast and free GC was to say that the training facilities were fine. I don't feel he was just 'towing the line' because he didn't need to say it. He could have just said nothing. That was a weird one for me. Of course he had just got his first manager job though and had FINALLY been given a chance (he is on record as being very disappointed that Southend never made him manager). Of course he was not going to rock any boats at that point. He can now though. This is the perfect chance to ask for more and/or some understanding of what the future will bring (e.g. trg ground, contract for JCH). Will be interesting how this plays out. Football is a game. Contracts are a game. It's all a game. But there are also human / family decisions to make.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:42:57 GMT
But none of this explains (to me) why he said what he said, when he said it. Surely the right thing to do was discuss this in the background without public spotlight on it? The other thing is that with a contract in place I thought there were protocols in place as to how a club could/should approach another club about their current manager? Without knowing how much there has been of this discussion in the confines of the club its difficult to fully understand for me. Either he still has a decision to make, in which case if it is to stay why go public now as he has said things that may make his position awkward at best in the future. Or if he is going - why say he has a decision to make when it has already been made in his mind (and I assume the owners have agreed the compensation for someone under contract.) All very odd to me. Especially considering he’s one of those blokes always mentioning he hates the attention, media, complications and lack of honesty etc He told us he was happy with the facilities too.
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 14, 2019 21:43:30 GMT
'Either go to Mansfield or I'm leaving you!' Who could love any woman enough to go to Mansfield?! Is it a euphemism for taking it up the arse?
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 14, 2019 21:43:49 GMT
Family is more important than anything else. He had mentioned how much he misses them, on a number of occasions. He has said I'm looking forward to having a day or two with them, on a number of occasions.
I thought he would move back, when a chance came along. If they are not willing to move, I would do the same.
Can't blame him.
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Post by z1zou on Dec 14, 2019 21:44:08 GMT
Stags fans seem pleased. Obviously every single one of us can understand the frustrations at the apparent lack of money the club are investing in the squad, but do we really want to rack up potentially crippling debt to chase a pipe dream we haven't got the infrastructure to sustain.
We aren't in any way ready for championship football, and until we are financially stable and have a new stadium/better facilities. We are better off staying as a mid table club. Granted that could well be beyond my lifetime.
I'd rather not end up being the next bury.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 21:44:59 GMT
If he’s taken us as far as he can where on earth does he think he can take Mansfield?! Dare I suggest he now agrees with DC? I know for a fact that DC was extremely, passionately, emotionally disappointed at what he believed were broken promises re infrastructure. I was surprised how fast and free GC was to say that the training facilities were fine. I don't feel he was just 'towing the line' because he didn't need to say it. He could have just said nothing. That was a weird one for me. Of course he had just got his first manager job though and had FINALLY been given a chance (he is on record as being very disappointed that Southend never made him manager). Of course he was not going to rock any boats at that point. He can now though. This is the perfect chance to ask for more and/or some understanding of what the future will bring (e.g. trg ground, contract for JCH). Will be interesting how this plays out. Football is a game. Contracts are a game. It's all a game. But there are also human / family decisions to make. Exactly! Just don’t comment. That’s why it’s got me wound up- it’s like he.’s too big for us now when 12 months ago he was glad just to be given a chance. You don’t turn into a world beater over night and he would do well to remember that.
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Post by axegas on Dec 14, 2019 21:46:10 GMT
The thing I don’t get is that Coughlan has spent a year with us, 8 years at Southend and 2 years at Shrewsbury, all in the south. He hasn’t had a job in the north since 2008, so if this is geographical, why now when he is at the height of his managerial powers? If it was a simple as him wanting to be closer to his family, why didn’t he come out and say that in his interview instead of venting his frustration at the direction the club was moving in?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 14, 2019 21:48:34 GMT
But none of this explains (to me) why he said what he said, when he said it. Surely the right thing to do was discuss this in the background without public spotlight on it? The other thing is that with a contract in place I thought there were protocols in place as to how a club could/should approach another club about their current manager? Without knowing how much there has been of this discussion in the confines of the club its difficult to fully understand for me. Either he still has a decision to make, in which case if it is to stay why go public now as he has said things that may make his position awkward at best in the future. Or if he is going - why say he has a decision to make when it has already been made in his mind (and I assume the owners have agreed the compensation for someone under contract.) All very odd to me. You know what it's like, you don't just tell your wife, 'I'm off to Prague on a three day bender.' You say, Someone said Dave was thinking about having a stag do. Then a few days later, Dave's stag is gonna be in Czech or somewhere, sounds a bit boring. Then, Dave said he really wants me to go on his stag with him, unfortunately. etc.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 14, 2019 21:50:00 GMT
The thing I don’t get is that Coughlan has spent a year with us, 8 years at Southend and 2 years at Shrewsbury, all in the south. He hasn’t had a job in the north since 2008, so if this is geographical, why now when he is at the height of his managerial powers? If it was a simple as him wanting to be closer to his family, why didn’t he come out and say that in his interview instead of venting his frustration at the direction the club was moving in? Shrewsbury is definitely not in the south.
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Post by axegas on Dec 14, 2019 21:50:51 GMT
The thing I don’t get is that Coughlan has spent a year with us, 8 years at Southend and 2 years at Shrewsbury, all in the south. He hasn’t had a job in the north since 2008, so if this is geographical, why now when he is at the height of his managerial powers? If it was a simple as him wanting to be closer to his family, why didn’t he come out and say that in his interview instead of venting his frustration at the direction the club was moving in? Shrewsbury is definitely not in the south. Ok it’s in the middle but my point still stands.
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