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Post by William Wilson on Jan 6, 2020 9:06:16 GMT
"The international coalition fighting Islamic State has suspended operations against the terrorist group so its forces can concentrate on protecting US, UK and other troops at bases in Iraq following the killing of Qassem Suleimani." Another brilliant and intelligent move by Trump...not. F Still it feeds the baying mobs in his support base who only ever read one line of analysis. I applaud Trumps response. Only bad people died in that attack, which surely is something we should be cheering about. Agreed. By his choice of actions, Suleimaniac made himself a target. If he`d opened a Halal restaurant on Stapleton Rd, he could have made a nice little living for himself, with the added bonus that he`d still be alive. Why do people choose the path of wickedness? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 14:43:18 GMT
I applaud Trumps response. Only bad people died in that attack, which surely is something we should be cheering about. Agreed. By his choice of actions, Suleimaniac made himself a target. If he`d opened a Halal restaurant on Stapleton Rd, he could have made a nice little living for himself, with the added bonus that he`d still be alive. Why do people choose the path of wickedness? "A second former acting head of the CIA from the Obama era, Michael Morell, was more brutally forthright. “There will be dead Americans, dead civilian Americans, as a result of this,” he said, adding for good measure: “I think we’ve now ended any hope of keeping Iraq out of Iran’s arms.” |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 15:07:32 GMT
Agreed. By his choice of actions, Suleimaniac made himself a target. If he`d opened a Halal restaurant on Stapleton Rd, he could have made a nice little living for himself, with the added bonus that he`d still be alive. Why do people choose the path of wickedness? "A second former acting head of the CIA from the Obama era, Michael Morell, was more brutally forthright. “There will be dead Americans, dead civilian Americans, as a result of this,” he said, adding for good measure: “I think we’ve now ended any hope of keeping Iraq out of Iran’s arms.” And, to quote "And back in the US not everyone is buying the official explanations for the killing. “[Suleimani] has been killing Americans in Iraq since 2003,” Jon Soltz, chairman of VoteVets.org and an Iraq war veteran told the New York Times. “I was in one of his attacks in Taji in 2011. They were dropping 240mm rockets on us. So this is not a surprise that he’s involved in killing Americans. “But the question is what was different last night? The onus is on Trump to prove something was different, or this is no different than another weapons of mass destruction play.” |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 6, 2020 15:20:19 GMT
Agreed. By his choice of actions, Suleimaniac made himself a target. If he`d opened a Halal restaurant on Stapleton Rd, he could have made a nice little living for himself, with the added bonus that he`d still be alive. Why do people choose the path of wickedness? "A second former acting head of the CIA from the Obama era, Michael Morell, was more brutally forthright. “There will be dead Americans, dead civilian Americans, as a result of this,” he said, adding for good measure: “I think we’ve now ended any hope of keeping Iraq out of Iran’s arms.” If we hadn`t killed him, there would have been dead Americans, dead civilian Americans. It`s what the Islamists do. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 6, 2020 16:04:09 GMT
Here`s a couple of questions for you, Oldie. Serious questions.
First off; if everything is the will of Allah, is it not a bit unfair of the Iranians to blame Donald Trump, after Allah caused him to blow up Qassem Suleimani with a Hellfire missile?
Secondly; if Suleimani is now in Paradise at Allah`s right hand side, and is, even as I type this, ploughing his way through several dozen virgins, you`d think that the locals would be happy for him.
Especially as, in the not too distant future, all his loved ones and colleagues will be reunited with him there. It`s only the most temporary of separations.
So why is everyone weeping and wailing and throwing themselves about, like my wife when the price of chocolate has just gone up?
It makes little sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 16:24:46 GMT
"A second former acting head of the CIA from the Obama era, Michael Morell, was more brutally forthright. “There will be dead Americans, dead civilian Americans, as a result of this,” he said, adding for good measure: “I think we’ve now ended any hope of keeping Iraq out of Iran’s arms.” And, to quote "And back in the US not everyone is buying the official explanations for the killing. “[Suleimani] has been killing Americans in Iraq since 2003,” Jon Soltz, chairman of VoteVets.org and an Iraq war veteran told the New York Times. “I was in one of his attacks in Taji in 2011. They were dropping 240mm rockets on us. So this is not a surprise that he’s involved in killing Americans. “But the question is what was different last night? The onus is on Trump to prove something was different, or this is no different than another weapons of mass destruction play.” So it was ok to let him continue to kill Americans......is that what you are saying? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 16:35:18 GMT
Here`s a couple of questions for you, Oldie. Serious questions. First off; if everything is the will of Allah, is it not a bit unfair of the Iranians to blame Donald Trump, after Allah caused him to blow up Qassem Suleimani with a Hellfire missile? Secondly; if Suleimani is now in Paradise at Allah`s right hand side, and is, even as I type this, ploughing his way through several dozen virgins, you`d think that the locals would be happy for him. Especially as, in the not too distant future, all his loved ones and colleagues will be reunited with him there. It`s only the most temporary of separations. So why is everyone weeping and wailing and throwing themselves about, like my wife when the price of chocolate has just gone up? It makes little sense to me. I cannot for the life of me understand how you would consider those to be serious questions, especially when asked of an atheist. Those are also literal interpretations of the Quran propagated by the Wahabbi sect, a sect to which no self respecting Shia would ever bear allegiance to. For a broader understanding of Persian culture I would encourage you to read the poetry of Hafez. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HafezAnd just for you, a link to be able to buy the latest translation. I bought mine in Iran many moons ago. www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQQmyoUbqiGQT9yqgnnUXVsm7xDuQ%3A1578328280647&ei=2GATXr6IJ8Sm_QaWyJ6gAg&q=divan+hafez&oq=Divan+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.0i67j0j46i67j0j0i10i67j0i131j0l2.21616.27809..30227...1.0..0.263.1423.1j9j1......0....1.......8..46i39i275j0i7i30j46i20i263j0i20i263j46i10i67j46i131j46j35i39j35i362i39j46i362i39.fMEimWbv-uI |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 16:47:19 GMT
And, to quote "And back in the US not everyone is buying the official explanations for the killing. “[Suleimani] has been killing Americans in Iraq since 2003,” Jon Soltz, chairman of VoteVets.org and an Iraq war veteran told the New York Times. “I was in one of his attacks in Taji in 2011. They were dropping 240mm rockets on us. So this is not a surprise that he’s involved in killing Americans. “But the question is what was different last night? The onus is on Trump to prove something was different, or this is no different than another weapons of mass destruction play.” So it was ok to let him continue to kill Americans......is that what you are saying? I want to believe that you know the calculation is far more complicated than this simplistic response. Of course it's not ok for anyone to be killed, including Kurds along the border of Iraq and Syria who Trump betrayed after more than a few gave their lives pushing back ISIS. No, the question is what is the strategy when it comes to the Middle East from the Americans? How does the assassination of this Iranian General fit into that strategy? After all UK troops are exposed as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 21:47:40 GMT
So it was ok to let him continue to kill Americans......is that what you are saying? I want to believe that you know the calculation is far more complicated than this simplistic response. Of course it's not ok for anyone to be killed, including Kurds along the border of Iraq and Syria who Trump betrayed after more than a few gave their lives pushing back ISIS. No, the question is what is the strategy when it comes to the Middle East from the Americans? How does the assassination of this Iranian General fit into that strategy? After all UK troops are exposed as well. It quite easy to understand if you just look at a map. Iran and the Saudis. Not best of chums are they due to the different flavours of Islam. Iran are already waging war against the Saudis via Yemen. Once they have taken Iraq, which is looking more and more likely, then they are on the front doorstep of Saudi. If they take Saudi, then all the other Arab states will fall, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait etc etc. When that happens, Iran will be able to control the Red Sea, including the Suez Canal. They will also bring another front to Israel. They are already in Syria and Lebenon. They supply weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah and the rebels in Yemen amongst many others. I don't know what the US policy in the region is, but I'd take a guess and say it was to stop all of this happening. It's a long game being played. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 22:07:34 GMT
I want to believe that you know the calculation is far more complicated than this simplistic response. Of course it's not ok for anyone to be killed, including Kurds along the border of Iraq and Syria who Trump betrayed after more than a few gave their lives pushing back ISIS. No, the question is what is the strategy when it comes to the Middle East from the Americans? How does the assassination of this Iranian General fit into that strategy? After all UK troops are exposed as well. It quite easy to understand if you just look at a map. Iran and the Saudis. Not best of chums are they due to the different flavours of Islam. Iran are already waging war against the Saudis via Yemen. Once they have taken Iraq, which is looking more and more likely, then they are on the front doorstep of Saudi. If they take Saudi, then all the other Arab states will fall, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait etc etc. When that happens, Iran will be able to control the Red Sea, including the Suez Canal. They will also bring another front to Israel. They are already in Syria and Lebenon. They supply weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah and the rebels in Yemen amongst many others. I don't know what the US policy in the region is, but I'd take a guess and say it was to stop all of this happening. It's a long game being played. And Iranian Shia make the Hajj to Mecca every year in their thousands. If trying to push back on Iranian ambition in the Middle East is the objective then killing this guy and making him a martyr is counter productive. Its unleashed nationalism in Tehran at a time when there has been brewing social unrest, there has been demonstrations in Baghdad by locals fed up with the current regime which, although propped up by the west has tacitly complied with Iranian controlled militia in its territory, particularly in the South. Now the Shia in the region stand as one, from Damascus to Baghdad, fro Beirut to Basra. Well done Trump. In the meantime the populations of Iraq I am told are completely without hope, the Iranian economy is crippled with critical shortages of medicines and key maintenance supplies, Lebanon is in disarray (again), Turkey, released by Trump is killing Kurds and has interfered with the powder keg on Libya (causing chaos across northern Africa). Well done Trump indeed. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 6, 2020 22:44:50 GMT
Here`s a couple of questions for you, Oldie. Serious questions. First off; if everything is the will of Allah, is it not a bit unfair of the Iranians to blame Donald Trump, after Allah caused him to blow up Qassem Suleimani with a Hellfire missile? Secondly; if Suleimani is now in Paradise at Allah`s right hand side, and is, even as I type this, ploughing his way through several dozen virgins, you`d think that the locals would be happy for him. Especially as, in the not too distant future, all his loved ones and colleagues will be reunited with him there. It`s only the most temporary of separations. So why is everyone weeping and wailing and throwing themselves about, like my wife when the price of chocolate has just gone up? It makes little sense to me. I'm no fan of radical Islamists, but their beliefs are barely less credible than American Christian fundamentalists, who put their faith in their lord. Why take it out on the Muslims if Jesus or his dad decided it was ok to allow some people to fly planes into the twin towers? Perhaps God was having a nap at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 22:51:44 GMT
Here`s a couple of questions for you, Oldie. Serious questions. First off; if everything is the will of Allah, is it not a bit unfair of the Iranians to blame Donald Trump, after Allah caused him to blow up Qassem Suleimani with a Hellfire missile? Secondly; if Suleimani is now in Paradise at Allah`s right hand side, and is, even as I type this, ploughing his way through several dozen virgins, you`d think that the locals would be happy for him. Especially as, in the not too distant future, all his loved ones and colleagues will be reunited with him there. It`s only the most temporary of separations. So why is everyone weeping and wailing and throwing themselves about, like my wife when the price of chocolate has just gone up? It makes little sense to me. I'm no fan of radical Islamists, but their beliefs are barely less credible than American Christian fundamentalists, who put their faith in their lord. Why take it out on the Muslims if Jesus or his dad decided it was ok to allow some people to fly planes into the twin towers? Perhaps God was having a nap at the time. 🤣🤣🤣 That did make me smile |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 6, 2020 22:59:26 GMT
Here`s a couple of questions for you, Oldie. Serious questions. First off; if everything is the will of Allah, is it not a bit unfair of the Iranians to blame Donald Trump, after Allah caused him to blow up Qassem Suleimani with a Hellfire missile? Secondly; if Suleimani is now in Paradise at Allah`s right hand side, and is, even as I type this, ploughing his way through several dozen virgins, you`d think that the locals would be happy for him. Especially as, in the not too distant future, all his loved ones and colleagues will be reunited with him there. It`s only the most temporary of separations. So why is everyone weeping and wailing and throwing themselves about, like my wife when the price of chocolate has just gone up? It makes little sense to me. I'm no fan of radical Islamists, but their beliefs are barely less credible than American Christian fundamentalists, who put their faith in their lord. Why take it out on the Muslims if Jesus or his dad decided it was ok to allow some people to fly planes into the twin towers? Perhaps God was having a nap at the time. Did anyone see Trump taking part in prayers yesterday? The preacher was OTT about God making America great again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 7:32:13 GMT
It quite easy to understand if you just look at a map. Iran and the Saudis. Not best of chums are they due to the different flavours of Islam. Iran are already waging war against the Saudis via Yemen. Once they have taken Iraq, which is looking more and more likely, then they are on the front doorstep of Saudi. If they take Saudi, then all the other Arab states will fall, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait etc etc. When that happens, Iran will be able to control the Red Sea, including the Suez Canal. They will also bring another front to Israel. They are already in Syria and Lebenon. They supply weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah and the rebels in Yemen amongst many others. I don't know what the US policy in the region is, but I'd take a guess and say it was to stop all of this happening. It's a long game being played. And Iranian Shia make the Hajj to Mecca every year in their thousands. If trying to push back on Iranian ambition in the Middle East is the objective then killing this guy and making him a martyr is counter productive. Its unleashed nationalism in Tehran at a time when there has been brewing social unrest, there has been demonstrations in Baghdad by locals fed up with the current regime which, although propped up by the west has tacitly complied with Iranian controlled militia in its territory, particularly in the South. Now the Shia in the region stand as one, from Damascus to Baghdad, fro Beirut to Basra. Well done Trump. In the meantime the populations of Iraq I am told are completely without hope, the Iranian economy is crippled with critical shortages of medicines and key maintenance supplies, Lebanon is in disarray (again), Turkey, released by Trump is killing Kurds and has interfered with the powder keg on Libya (causing chaos across northern Africa). Well done Trump indeed. Wow, I didn't realise that the whole region was full of peace and light but that now it is in turmoil because of the death of an innocent officer. The Iranian economy is crippled you say, well, if they wound their necks in, stopped spreading death and destruction everywhere, then the sanctions could be lifted. The ball is in their court. It's their choice. The Iraqis are watered off with Iran meddling in their country? Good oh, then Iran should just feck off then. Don't forget, General Salami was killed in Iraq. Just what was he doing there? Lebenon in disarray? Iran should leave it alone then and get out. You forgot to mention Yemen, where Iran are fighting a proxy war against Saudi. You forgot to mention that Iran supply the weapons for Hamas and Hezbollah to fight Israel. Can't you see the pattern? Wherever Iran are involved, then death and destruction and economic ruin are sure to follow. They're like the Islamic version of the Labour Party ! Don't criticize Trump for killing a bloodthirsty nasty piece of work. Instead, why don't you criticize Iran for the killing of thousands upon thousands and spreading hate, death and destruction throughout the region. PS - It was interesting to hear the first reactions of Iran. It was all 'death to America' and they were also going to bomb Tel Aviv. Just what have the poor Israelis got to do with this? |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 7, 2020 8:56:17 GMT
I want to believe that you know the calculation is far more complicated than this simplistic response. Of course it's not ok for anyone to be killed, including Kurds along the border of Iraq and Syria who Trump betrayed after more than a few gave their lives pushing back ISIS. No, the question is what is the strategy when it comes to the Middle East from the Americans? How does the assassination of this Iranian General fit into that strategy? After all UK troops are exposed as well. It quite easy to understand if you just look at a map. Iran and the Saudis. Not best of chums are they due to the different flavours of Islam. Iran are already waging war against the Saudis via Yemen. Once they have taken Iraq, which is looking more and more likely, then they are on the front doorstep of Saudi. If they take Saudi, then all the other Arab states will fall, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait etc etc. When that happens, Iran will be able to control the Red Sea, including the Suez Canal. They will also bring another front to Israel. They are already in Syria and Lebenon. They supply weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah and the rebels in Yemen amongst many others. I don't know what the US policy in the region is, but I'd take a guess and say it was to stop all of this happening. It's a long game being played. I don`t think it will be that long a game, Nobby. I don`t know how close Iran is to building itself The Bomb, but terminal action will be taken against them before it`s allowed to happen. When the Saudis and the Israelis clamber into bed together to conspire against you, then you have got problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 9:06:11 GMT
It quite easy to understand if you just look at a map. Iran and the Saudis. Not best of chums are they due to the different flavours of Islam. Iran are already waging war against the Saudis via Yemen. Once they have taken Iraq, which is looking more and more likely, then they are on the front doorstep of Saudi. If they take Saudi, then all the other Arab states will fall, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait etc etc. When that happens, Iran will be able to control the Red Sea, including the Suez Canal. They will also bring another front to Israel. They are already in Syria and Lebenon. They supply weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah and the rebels in Yemen amongst many others. I don't know what the US policy in the region is, but I'd take a guess and say it was to stop all of this happening. It's a long game being played. I don`t think it will be that long a game, Nobby. I don`t know how close Iran is to building itself The Bomb, but terminal action will be taken against them before it`s allowed to happen. When the Saudis and the Israelis clamber into bed together to conspire against you, then you have got problems. Totally agree. Israel has fabulous intelligence gathering options. They know exactly where Iran are in their nuclear weapons programme, and you can bet your bottom sheckle that they will stop the Iranians developing a nuclear weapon, unless the US stop them first. I have no doubt that Saudi will turn a blind eye to Israeli aircraft flying over Saudi airspace if they need to do so. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 7, 2020 23:49:51 GMT
Reports of al-Asad airbase under attack. Hopefully a token act to save face for domestic consumption.
Could escalate though, so cool heads needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 2:54:19 GMT
Reports of al-Asad airbase under attack. Hopefully a token act to save face for domestic consumption. Could escalate though, so cool heads needed. 12 missile hits being reported on two air bases. No American casualties reported. Let's hope Trump does not retaliate. |
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Post by axegas on Jan 8, 2020 2:57:59 GMT
Reports of al-Asad airbase under attack. Hopefully a token act to save face for domestic consumption. Could escalate though, so cool heads needed. 12 missile hits being reported on two air bases. No American casualties reported. Let's hope Trump does not retaliate. Let’s be honest we all know he will. Presidents with weak foreign policies don’t get re-elected. The question is when and how severely. |
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