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Post by wallywalters on Jan 8, 2020 21:53:59 GMT
I'm struggling to think of a worse start to a rovers managers career? Not just the results but the performances have been shocking. Martin Dodson's? 12 games and he was gone but I doubt we were top of the current form when he took over? Youv answered your own question didn't take over a side flying and also Dobson had a 12% win ratio compared to garners 0%. For what it's worth I really want him to work out. But this start is as bad as anything I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 21:55:22 GMT
I thought the OP was controversial but then having had a prior engagement tonight I leave said engagement come on here for a browse and am reminded we had a match. Looking at the result is grim reading. Even if it was the bullshit cup we really shouldn’t be losing that at home to a team in Stevenage’s position. Made worse after reading other’s thoughts that we still aren’t playing like we have much of clue.
The pressure is already on imo, in no small part because of how nicely we were ticking along. I’d be very interested to know the full story behind Coughlan’s departure, for a start.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 8, 2020 21:56:34 GMT
What I dont understand is the commentators tonight. "Rome wasn't built in a day and all that, but you can see glimpses of what Ben Garner is trying to introduce" Can we? From what I've seen our defence is making calamitous errors, our midfield is even more disconnected from the attack than before and the attack has got even worse. I'm struggling to see any positives from Garner as manager so far tbh. The majority of the midfield has been injured or unfit. Strikers injured or unfit apart from ones that have never been able to score. So it's hardly surprising?? He needs player's back and a chance to actually take some proper training sessions.
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Post by wallywalters on Jan 8, 2020 21:56:39 GMT
I'm struggling to think of a worse start to a rovers managers career? Not just the results but the performances have been shocking. Dave Penney? Penney took over a struggling side not one flying and had a 15% win ratio to garners 0%. Just saying.
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Post by joebananas67 on Jan 8, 2020 21:57:07 GMT
Why play a winger and not give him the ball
Bennett should have been off at half time
Barrett - nice play
Victor - is not a target man and Bennett was no support
There was no grit or fight
Rollin was dreadful
Shots on target was zero arm
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 8, 2020 21:59:02 GMT
He talks a great game, Garner. So far, the words have not been backed by the performances on the pitch. HOWEVER, he's barely had any real time on the training ground to get his methods and intentions across, no less actually COACH the players so give him time to do that as well as bring in new faces/rid the deadwood. But that's just as much of a worry, Neil. He's barely had any time with the players and it's completely fallen apart. Immediately against Wimbledon the players didn't have the fight/passion/urgency they had against Peterborough or Plymouth. Garner said himself that he wouldn't rock the boat and would carry on what we're good at - so far I see literally the complete opposite of that Tbf I think tonight, from his POV, was a good opportunity to try out a new system and different players as it's a competition we're not fussed about - if we got through, great but if not like tonight I don't we'll lose sleep will we? That said, poor performance and compounded the recent misery. FWIW, the performances against Fleetwood and Coventry proved the fight and commitment is still there IMO. No one argues he's a good coach and whilst I acknowledge his start has been poor, I'm 1. reserving judgment until after the window closes and he's altered the squad (ins/outs, JCH staying/going etc.), and once he's had a consistent run of games, and 2. until he's had a solid amount of 'training ground time' to get his message across. It's been a horrendous time to join from a coaching perspective (something BG mentioned himself) as it's been constant games - on the one hand good to get out on the pitch playing but on the other, no training/preparation time. However, performances NEED to improve because, currently, they're not even remotely acceptable for a L1 team - let alone a playoff-chasing one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 21:59:08 GMT
He talks a great game, Garner. So far, the words have not been backed by the performances on the pitch. HOWEVER, he's barely had any real time on the training ground to get his methods and intentions across, no less actually COACH the players so give him time to do that as well as bring in new faces/rid the deadwood. But that's just as much of a worry, Neil. He's barely had any time with the players and it's completely fallen apart. Immediately against Wimbledon the players didn't have the fight/passion/urgency they had against Peterborough or Plymouth. Garner said himself that he wouldn't rock the boat and would carry on what we're good at - so far I see literally the complete opposite of that Oh he’s rocked the boat alright. I wonder where the likes of Moore and Nichols being told they can leave has come from? The dismantling of what has been inherited is being carried out like it needs to be doused in fire like it was bloody useless yet we were winning games. To dismantle it and replace it with defeat after defeat makes me fear that our board is going to end up presiding over another fine mess by the end of the season. From Ipswich away to this, in a matter of days.
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Post by milesy83 on Jan 8, 2020 22:01:59 GMT
I thought the OP was controversial but then having had a prior engagement tonight I leave said engagement come on here for a browse and am reminded we had a match. Looking at the result is grim reading. Even if it was the bullshit cup we really shouldn’t be losing that at home to a team in Stevenage’s position. Made worse after reading other’s thoughts that we still aren’t playing like we have much of clue. The pressure is already on imo, in no small part because of how nicely we were ticking along. I’d be very interested to know the full story behind Coughlan’s departure, for a start. I've heard the owners were pretty much picking the team and Coughlin didn't like it. Didn't want certain players playing because of triggering bonuses and contracts.
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Post by aforce on Jan 8, 2020 22:02:22 GMT
I think even jurgen klopp would struggle to get a result with Bennett and adebayo up top
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Post by Gassy on Jan 8, 2020 22:03:05 GMT
What I dont understand is the commentators tonight. "Rome wasn't built in a day and all that, but you can see glimpses of what Ben Garner is trying to introduce" Can we? From what I've seen our defence is making calamitous errors, our midfield is even more disconnected from the attack than before and the attack has got even worse. I'm struggling to see any positives from Garner as manager so far tbh. The majority of the midfield has been injured or unfit. Strikers injured or unfit apart from ones that have never been able to score. So it's hardly surprising?? He needs player's back and a chance to actually take some proper training sessions. Clarke has been out for quite a bit this season, so the main change has really been Ogogo. JCH has been unfiit/injured all season so no change there. The defence hasn't changed at all but are now completely disjointed and making mistakes. If we were playing some ok football but things just weren't going right for us, I'd be more sympathetic. The football has been terrible, everything that we were before (hard working, passionate, urgent) has disappeared completely - that's nothing to do with injuries, that's motivation. I (and I assume many other Rovers fans) don't mind about results within reason, I just want my team to give 100%. If we lose to the better team but we gave it our all then fair play. But players coming out not fighting and can't even get a cross, pass or corner past the first man? That's f*cking pathetic.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 8, 2020 22:03:08 GMT
Maybe. But it’s far, far, far, far too early to sensibly say one way or the other at this stage, IMO.
Can’t we just be patient and see where we go under Garner until at least the end of the season?
Or at least until the end of his first month! Blimey.
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Post by 1986gashead on Jan 8, 2020 22:03:32 GMT
The substitutions today were a joke, and then going one up front with a very poor Victor when JCH was on the bench, no no no you can say give him a chance all you want but how do you excuse such poor decisions as these?? Went down to a very poor Stevenage side today with barely a fight put up, have no choice but to give him time as he’s got the job now but my faith in him took a massive hit today
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 8, 2020 22:04:41 GMT
Maybe. But it’s far, far, far, far too early to sensibly say one way or the other at this stage, IMO. Can’t we just be patient and see where we go under Garner until at least the end of the season? Or at least until the end of his first month! Blimey. Ollie, please stop posting sensible opinions, they're unfitting of this forum. Thanks.
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2020 22:05:54 GMT
As someone who never wanted him here in the first place, I'd say give him a decent chance before starting the witch hunt. And bear this in mind going forward, too. Maybe it's not always the best policy to insult our managers just coz we don't win a game. Yeah got to give him time. It looks as if at least one of his new signings this week is quality from what I saw tonight.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 8, 2020 22:06:53 GMT
The majority of the midfield has been injured or unfit. Strikers injured or unfit apart from ones that have never been able to score. So it's hardly surprising?? He needs player's back and a chance to actually take some proper training sessions. Clarke has been out for quite a bit this season, so the main change has really been Ogogo. JCH has been unfiit/injured all season so no change there. The defence hasn't changed at all but are now completely disjointed and making mistakes. If we were playing some ok football but things just weren't going right for us, I'd be more sympathetic. The football has been terrible, everything that we were before (hard working, passionate, urgent) has disappeared completely - that's nothing to do with injuries, that's motivation. I (and I assume many other Rovers fans) don't mind about results within reason, I just want my team to give 100%. If we lose to the better team but we gave it our all then fair play. But players coming out not fighting and can't even get a cross, pass or corner past the first man? That's f*cking pathetic. No Smith either. No little or hare and Rodman has looked tired for weeks and not got forward. That was our 12th cup game tonight. Games were always find to catch up with us. 2 draws at home to lower league clubs, in the fa cup didn't help. Think we've had 1 free midweek in about 7 or 8 weeks and that was ages ago! Other clubs moaned about the busy Christmas period, but we have had that for ages.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 8, 2020 22:07:07 GMT
Will we all feel better when a fresh JCH bangs in a treble on Saturday to propel us back into the play offs?
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Post by gaschat on Jan 8, 2020 22:09:00 GMT
I thought the OP was controversial but then having had a prior engagement tonight I leave said engagement come on here for a browse and am reminded we had a match. Looking at the result is grim reading. Even if it was the bullshit cup we really shouldn’t be losing that at home to a team in Stevenage’s position. Made worse after reading other’s thoughts that we still aren’t playing like we have much of clue. The pressure is already on imo, in no small part because of how nicely we were ticking along. I’d be very interested to know the full story behind Coughlan’s departure, for a start. I always thought we were punching well above our weight under Coughlan, so this is no surprise is it? We’ll be lower mid table by April.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 8, 2020 22:10:23 GMT
From the match day thread:
Perspective!
We're 5 games in, I said give him at least 10. A fair deal have been cup games of different sorts.
I was negative about his appointment, and so far I've seen what I expected has been. I wanted, and still do, to be so wrong about this appointment. So far it looks as if he thinks he's playing football manager. That sh** won't wash. This isn't premier league any more Ben.
However, he's saying the right things, he appears to be doing the right thing in the transfer market. Barrett looked very good tonight. Most of us would have moved on Tom Nichols (although we'd have been a bit quicker to move on players like Bennett).
It's also the Micky mouse cup, where we have done poorly previously under a manager many would consider to be up there with the all time best (if not!)
He deserves until the end of January until we stick the knife in on here.
He also deserves nothing but our support at the Memorial Stadium.
It does really frustrate me that he came out and said that he would treat each game just as important as any other, and we put out that sh** and our last substitution is THD. I rate Tomlinson, I rate THD, I've had a few beers so don't remember our first sub but don't bring on THD when we're one down against a team at the ass end of L2 in the EFL trophy at home, when Adeboyajo (send back, now!) is our lone striker.
What frustrates me is that we have a real chance for doing something this season. Expectations are raised, it's no excuse. He's clearly been given budget to go somewhere too so lets try getting somewhere.
And with Tom Nichols, yes he can't score for sh** but at least he plays good football and brings other players into the game and gets assists. What about the rest of our strikers apart from JCH?! Get better players in first.
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Post by aforce on Jan 8, 2020 22:11:04 GMT
Will we all feel better when a fresh JCH bangs in a treble on Saturday to propel us back into the play offs? Amen il forgive a loss tonight for a win Saturday and would have before tonight as well. Come on ⛽️
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:11:29 GMT
I miss gwaham. X
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