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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 8, 2020 22:12:54 GMT
Clarke has been out for quite a bit this season, so the main change has really been Ogogo. JCH has been unfiit/injured all season so no change there. The defence hasn't changed at all but are now completely disjointed and making mistakes. If we were playing some ok football but things just weren't going right for us, I'd be more sympathetic. The football has been terrible, everything that we were before (hard working, passionate, urgent) has disappeared completely - that's nothing to do with injuries, that's motivation. I (and I assume many other Rovers fans) don't mind about results within reason, I just want my team to give 100%. If we lose to the better team but we gave it our all then fair play. But players coming out not fighting and can't even get a cross, pass or corner past the first man? That's f*cking pathetic. No Smith either. No little or hare and Rodman has looked tired for weeks and not got forward. That was our 12th cup game tonight. Games were always find to catch up with us. 2 draws at home to lower league clubs, in the fa cup didn't help. Think we've had 1 free midweek in about 7 or 8 weeks and that was ages ago! Other clubs moaned about the busy Christmas period, but we have had that for ages. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Sick to death of it to be honest.
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2020 22:14:43 GMT
Will we all feel better when a fresh JCH bangs in a treble on Saturday to propel us back into the play offs? If we play a back four with mayenese and Craig in the middle then we’ll lose 3-4
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Post by Gassy on Jan 8, 2020 22:16:10 GMT
Clarke has been out for quite a bit this season, so the main change has really been Ogogo. JCH has been unfiit/injured all season so no change there. The defence hasn't changed at all but are now completely disjointed and making mistakes. If we were playing some ok football but things just weren't going right for us, I'd be more sympathetic. The football has been terrible, everything that we were before (hard working, passionate, urgent) has disappeared completely - that's nothing to do with injuries, that's motivation. I (and I assume many other Rovers fans) don't mind about results within reason, I just want my team to give 100%. If we lose to the better team but we gave it our all then fair play. But players coming out not fighting and can't even get a cross, pass or corner past the first man? That's f*cking pathetic. No Smith either. No little or hare and Rodman has looked tired for weeks and not got forward. That was our 12th cup game tonight. Games were always find to catch up with us. 2 draws at home to lower league clubs, in the fa cup didn't help. Think we've had 1 free midweek in about 7 or 8 weeks and that was ages ago! Other clubs moaned about the busy Christmas period, but we have had that for ages. Little & Hare were out before he joined. Rodman has just had a thread created by @neil93 about how good he was & is an unsung hero after Ipswich & Peterborough, since Garner came in he hasn’t been the same player at all.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 8, 2020 22:17:09 GMT
I’d guess a few players that played tonight won’t be seen in a Rovers side again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:18:51 GMT
I’m still behind him ... I have to be as he is our manager.
I am disappointed though that he said Pregame he was looking to win and advance in the competition... his team choice showed words and figures differed.
I would have had more respect if he fronted up and said ... I’m giving game time to fringe players who I may well be moving on if they don’t shape up !
Never going to happen I know ... but from the moment the team sheet came out I thought we would struggle.
We need to get to 54 points ASAP ...
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 8, 2020 22:19:02 GMT
I’d guess a few players that played tonight won’t be seen in a Rovers side again. Rightly so. People will complain that he's playing with fire by ripping up some of this squad but certain players just need to be gone, unfortunately.
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Post by turdburger on Jan 8, 2020 22:20:41 GMT
I’d guess a few players that played tonight won’t be seen in a Rovers side again. Rightly so. People will complain that he's playing with fire by ripping up some of this squad but certain players just need to be gone, unfortunately. bennet and adebayajo for starters
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Post by axegas on Jan 8, 2020 22:23:16 GMT
Also let’s not forget that there was no Rodman, JCH, Davies, Jaakkola, Ogogo, Hare or THD to name a few tonight. Would be unfair to judge Garner too harshly on what was quite a rotated side, would it not?
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Post by yattongas on Jan 8, 2020 22:23:20 GMT
I’d guess a few players that played tonight won’t be seen in a Rovers side again. Rightly so. People will complain that he's playing with fire by ripping up some of this squad but certain players just need to be gone, unfortunately. It was last chance saloon for a few and tonight would of confirmed his thinking. Bye bye Victor , Kyle & M Kelly would be my guess.
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2020 22:24:23 GMT
Rightly so. People will complain that he's playing with fire by ripping up some of this squad but certain players just need to be gone, unfortunately. bennet and adebayajo for starters Yeah I mean I know Nichols doesn’t score enough and is a bit lightweight and I don’t mind if he leaves but he’s twice the player Adeboyjo is. Bennet has got good close control but slows it down every time , never scores , too lightweight , again , worst than Nichols. If we had to keep one out of the three I’d keep Nichols because the other two are much worse.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 8, 2020 22:25:52 GMT
I’m still behind him ... I have to be as he is our manager. I am disappointed though that he said Pregame he was looking to win and advance in the competition... his team choice showed words and figures differed. I would have had more respect if he fronted up and said ... I’m giving game time to fringe players who I may well be moving on if they don’t shape up ! Never going to happen I know ... but from the moment the team sheet came out I thought we would struggle. We need to get to 54 points ASAP ... Ever worked with someone that talked the talk but didn't back it up by actually doing what was necessary to get results? I judge people by their actions and not what they've got to say and their CV.
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Post by brads213 on Jan 8, 2020 22:27:14 GMT
Thanks BG for another great result, Yes you are making a mark and a big difference with your style it’s total crap and now we are a loosing team instead of a winning team, another season that offered so much until you arrived and now we are looking forward to a miserable second half of the season
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2020 22:27:21 GMT
Also let’s not forget that there was no Rodman, JCH, Davies, Jaakkola, Ogogo, Hare or THD to name a few tonight. Would be unfair to judge Garner too harshly on what was quite a rotated side, would it not? I would never judge a manager on one game, I can see what Garners trying to do totally I just think he should have waited until the summer to do it. If he can turn our squad in to a play off contender side by changing the formation , type of players, and style of play in January then he’s a very good coach / manager and if he gets us in the top 6 come May then I’ll be very impressed.
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Post by turdburger on Jan 8, 2020 22:28:17 GMT
bennet and adebayajo for starters Yeah I mean I know Nichols doesn’t score enough and is a bit lightweight and I don’t mind if he leaves but he’s twice the player Adeboyjo is. Bennet has got good close control but slows it down every time , never scores , too lightweight , again , worst than Nichols. If we had to keep one out of the three I’d keep Nichols because the other two are much worse. your quite right. nicholls link up play would definately be worth keeping but his downfall is that he is paid to score goals. would have him on the pitch over any of our attacking options currently
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 8, 2020 22:28:17 GMT
Rightly so. People will complain that he's playing with fire by ripping up some of this squad but certain players just need to be gone, unfortunately. It was last chance saloon for a few and tonight would of confirmed his thinking. Bye bye Victor , Kyle & M Kelly would be my guess. I still have a giggle every now and then when remembering half this forum/local journos thought Kelly was going to West Ham lol
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Post by giles on Jan 8, 2020 22:29:05 GMT
bennet and adebayajo for starters Yeah I mean I know Nichols doesn’t score enough and is a bit lightweight and I don’t mind if he leaves but he’s twice the player Adeboyjo is. Bennet has got good close control but slows it down every time , never scores , too lightweight , again , worst than Nichols. If we had to keep one out of the three I’d keep Nichols because the other two are much worse. I was at the game tonight and felt that until he was injured Kelly played well. It seems that some people are just jumping on a band wagon of picking out particular players as that is what they expect them to be like
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2020 22:29:10 GMT
Thanks BG for another great result, Yes you are making a mark and a big difference with your style it’s total crap and now we are a loosing team instead of a winning team, another season that offered so much until you arrived and now we are looking forward to a miserable second half of the season Yeah but we’re playing it on the deck and not playing horrible hoofball now , so now all the fans are happy and they’re all going to come back remember.
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2020 22:30:25 GMT
Yeah I mean I know Nichols doesn’t score enough and is a bit lightweight and I don’t mind if he leaves but he’s twice the player Adeboyjo is. Bennet has got good close control but slows it down every time , never scores , too lightweight , again , worst than Nichols. If we had to keep one out of the three I’d keep Nichols because the other two are much worse. I was at the game tonight and felt that until he was injured Kelly played well. It seems that some people are just jumping on a band wagon of picking out particular players as that is what they expect them to be like Kelly wasn’t too bad I agree but I wasn’t talking about him, maybe you quoted wrong post.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 8, 2020 22:30:26 GMT
The thing that scares me with Garner a little bit is his honesty.
We've just come out of an era where like it or loathe it we've had managers that ground us out results and move us forward. DC took us over dropping it out of the league and took us back into L1, GC in a short space of time turned us from relegation contenders to promotion contenders within L1.
Both of them wouldn't dare discuss injuries, contract lengths, internal matters. Garner is all over the radio discussing everything and suddenly everything is being declared again. Is this naivety from someone fresh to the gig? I fear so.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jan 8, 2020 22:31:40 GMT
In my opinion there’s a huge amount of pressure on Ben. Taking over a winning side is a difficult thing to do. Usually, new managers are picking up the pieces and are afforded time. Unfortunately for Ben, he’s going to be asked why he can’t get this team winning when someone else could. The players have shown over a period of 12 months that they are capable under a successful manager.
I will give Garner my full backing and I think he deserves time to find his feet as a manager. We’ve gone down the inexperienced route so that’s all we can do.
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