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Post by giles on Jan 8, 2020 22:31:47 GMT
I was at the game tonight and felt that until he was injured Kelly played well. It seems that some people are just jumping on a band wagon of picking out particular players as that is what they expect them to be like Kelly wasn’t too bad I agree but I wasn’t talking about him, maybe you quoted wrong post. Apologies .... I did reply to the wrong post!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 8, 2020 22:32:57 GMT
The thing that scares me with Garner a little bit is his honesty. We've just come out of an era where like it or loathe it we've had managers that ground us out results and move us forward. DC took us over dropping it out of the league and took us back into L1, GC in a short space of time turned us from relegation contenders to promotion contenders within L1. Both of them wouldn't dare discuss injuries, contract lengths, internal matters. Garner is all over the radio discussing everything and suddenly everything is being declared again. Is this naivety from someone fresh to the gig? I fear so.But it's all good as we like knowing these things
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Post by gasmark2 on Jan 8, 2020 22:38:47 GMT
I want to know who the other candidates for the job were because if he was the outstanding candidate the bar most of been set pretty low. That performance tonight was up there as one of the worst in recent years, most of the time you can see how a team has been set up and how they are trying to play but tonight it was just how quickly you could move the ball sideways and backwards with absolutely no clue in the final third. B G just stood in technical area the whole game doing nothing other than looking out of his depth. The only positive was that Josh Barret looked decent.
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Post by brads213 on Jan 8, 2020 22:41:04 GMT
Thanks BG for another great result, Yes you are making a mark and a big difference with your style it’s total crap and now we are a loosing team instead of a winning team, another season that offered so much until you arrived and now we are looking forward to a miserable second half of the season Yeah but we’re playing it on the deck and not playing horrible hoofball now , so now all the fans are happy and they’re all going to come back remember. I am sure that we were all a lot happier when we were dominating and winning games regardless of the football being played. If loosing and going down the league attracts more crowd then it is a funny old world
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Post by socrates on Jan 8, 2020 22:45:13 GMT
Yeah but we’re playing it on the deck and not playing horrible hoofball now , so now all the fans are happy and they’re all going to come back remember. I am sure that we were all a lot happier when we were dominating and winning games regardless of the football being played. If loosing and going down the league attracts more crowd then it is a funny old world Apparently not. It is a funny old world Footballs a funny old game.
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Post by dukegas on Jan 8, 2020 22:50:43 GMT
If BG had said before the game that he is giving several players a run out to to see how they perform because this competition is not that important , he would of been slated, the guy has come into this position with mounting injuries and had little time to work with the players, I think tonight would have given him a clear insight to those players that are not going to make it, can anyone remember the last time KB had a good game or made an impact when coming on as a sub, yes were all disappointed with the results but I’m afraid we can’t hide behind the truth there is far too many players that are not good enough or have no interest in playing for the club, they have got to be sorted and this takes time, for goodness sake he has to have the time to do this, or he could of just carried on with the same system where we would of been found out for sure and these so called players would still be with us taking the water. Time has to be given to the end of season, do we really believe we would of stayed in the top six still playing the way we were.
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Post by Icegas on Jan 8, 2020 22:57:11 GMT
As someone that was there tonight and stood behind the dugout I've gotta say Im worried already about him after tonights game.
He shows no emotion.Like none at all. He just does the modern day coaching thing - thats very wanky imho ( like on football manager the PC game) crossing of the hands and pointing once every 20 mins like he knows what he is doing.
Theres no way he could have turned a 2-0 losing position around like GC did against Southend.Or the way DC turned many games around in his first 3 years here after what he has shown here so far.
For me we have either signed a gem of a manager up and it could take him 10/15 games for results to show his style then we will be real promotion challengers next year,or we have been sucked into signing one of the tossy new modern coach's that are good at coaching at championship/premiership youth side level,but will never make it as a manager on there own.
Im more than willing to give him a chance but I saw the worst tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 23:04:13 GMT
If BG had said before the game that he is giving several players a run out to to see how they perform because this competition is not that important , he would of been slated, the guy has come into this position with mounting injuries and had little time to work with the players, I think tonight would have given him a clear insight to those players that are not going to make it, can anyone remember the last time KB had a good game or made an impact when coming on as a sub, yes were all disappointed with the results but I’m afraid we can’t hide behind the truth there is far too many players that are not good enough or have no interest in playing for the club, they have got to be sorted and this takes time, for goodness sake he has to have the time to do this, or he could of just carried on with the same system where we would of been found out for sure and these so called players would still be with us taking the water. Time has to be given to the end of season, do we really believe we would of stayed in the top six still playing the way we were. We sustained the form long enough to believe it was a distinct possibility. The side evidentally had character and resilience about it with a confidence in winning games of football. Many seem to be peddling this narrative, presented by some as fact, that it was unsustainable and that we should passively accept a rapid drop in form to allow BG to find his feet as a manager. Strange logic IMO.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 8, 2020 23:12:32 GMT
No Smith either. No little or hare and Rodman has looked tired for weeks and not got forward. That was our 12th cup game tonight. Games were always find to catch up with us. 2 draws at home to lower league clubs, in the fa cup didn't help. Think we've had 1 free midweek in about 7 or 8 weeks and that was ages ago! Other clubs moaned about the busy Christmas period, but we have had that for ages. Little & Hare were out before he joined. Rodman has just had a thread created by @neil93 about how good he was & is an unsung hero after Ipswich & Peterborough, since Garner came in he hasn’t been the same player at all. So Rodman has not looked knackered the last few games then?? He's hardly for forward and has had his worst performance's, but he's looked tired. He's not been the same player, because games have caught up with him and he's not been able to have a rest. Don't know how you can blame the manager for that, as he's not even had chance to take proper training sessions.
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Post by gruad on Jan 8, 2020 23:13:12 GMT
I remember DC's first results in the Vanarama and saying "he hasn't got a clue"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 23:14:22 GMT
I remember DC's first results in the Vanarama and saying "he hasn't got a clue" The difference being he had form to back up his management credentials.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 8, 2020 23:15:05 GMT
I remember DC's first results in the Vanarama and saying "he hasn't got a clue" Wasn't me personally but DC had promotions to his name and a good record at that level with Salisbury.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 8, 2020 23:15:11 GMT
No Smith either. No little or hare and Rodman has looked tired for weeks and not got forward. That was our 12th cup game tonight. Games were always find to catch up with us. 2 draws at home to lower league clubs, in the fa cup didn't help. Think we've had 1 free midweek in about 7 or 8 weeks and that was ages ago! Other clubs moaned about the busy Christmas period, but we have had that for ages. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Sick to death of it to be honest. It's how it is though. It's obvious games were going to catch up with them. We always go on bad runs, when playing lots of games in a row. Sometimes I wonder if our fans have any basic knowledge on how the body works or football in general lol
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 8, 2020 23:16:38 GMT
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Sick to death of it to be honest. It's how it is though. It's obvious games were going to catch up with them. We always go on bad runs, when playing lots of games in a row. Sometimes I wonder if our fans have any basic knowledge on how the body works or football in general lol Sorry but you're the biggest happy clapper going, and that's why it's all excuses to me.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 8, 2020 23:21:13 GMT
It's how it is though. It's obvious games were going to catch up with them. We always go on bad runs, when playing lots of games in a row. Sometimes I wonder if our fans have any basic knowledge on how the body works or football in general lol Sorry but you're the biggest happy clapper going, and that's why it's all excuses to me. What ever you say. I have slagged manager's and the board off in the past. It's too early to judge at the moment though and I thought we would struggle lately. So how am I a happy clapper?? I thought we would struggle this season. But we have over achieved, but now we have an injury hit squad. We have player's playing who need a rest, player's playing with knocks etc. I say it as it is and don't jump on the bandwagon like many. You have obviously already made up your mind and don't want to debate. Say why bother coming in here???
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 23:22:00 GMT
I remember DC's first results in the Vanarama and saying "he hasn't got a clue" DC's first 6 games in Vanarama 2 win, 2 draws and 2 defeats. BG's start is unfortunately a lot worse than our start in the conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 23:30:15 GMT
I'm behind Ben and am perfectly prepared to give him the time he needs to impose the style of play he wants. I want to see a more pleasing on the eye style of football. The time to judge him, in my opinion, is the end of next season, i.e. when he has had a full season with what will by then be a side mostly made up of his players and worked on the style in pre-season.
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He does need to balance that long term plan with an element of short termism, because if he doesn't, and results don't improve, football fans being what they are will mean he's not here to implement a long term plan. I fully approve of him experimenting with different shapes and styles, but he must learn from the inevitable mistakes that will be made along the way.
For example, tonight was unacceptable. No problem with trying 4-4-2, but to do so by using a left sided centre half at right back, then replacing him with a right winger isn't the way to do it. Neither is not changing the shape in the 2nd half when it clearly wasn't working. Neither is bringing on a left back for a left back when we needed a goal. That last one is the worst for me, because it suggests that tonight's result wasn't important to Ben and that the game was purely about experimentation. Ok, that's £7 you owe me then.
Anyway, what have we learned tonight?
Defensively, we don't currently have the players to play four at the back unless we sign a right back on loan. Alfie did ok tonight, but he's a very good, young centre half. Leave him there and let him develop. Rollin has done well, but needs a rest as soon as Davies is ready to slot back in. Kelly is nowhere near League 1 level. Personally, whilst I get that Ben might want to go to four at the back, the time to try it again is probably in pre-season, when there's time to work on it and the result doesn't matter.
In midfield, he has to find the right blend of three from Upson, Sercombe, Ogogo, Clarke and Barrett. Based only on tonight, the latter looks an absolute player that we should look to build a tram around. JML however looks an odd signing, unless Ben's intention is to play 4-4-2 (which for reasons above doesn't feel right yet) or he can play further forward in a front 3. As it is, his inclusion doesn't appear to be worth more than what we lose defensively by switching from a back 3. And Bennett's time is up. Sad, because he can play, but he's lost his way for whatever reason and a parting of the ways is a must.
Up top, after todays announcement, we have just three strikers. Smith is injured, JCH is barely fit and Victor, sad to say, isn't good enough. JCH can't play on his own up there, and certainly doesn't have the fitness to do so week in, week out. We need a striker, preferably one with pace, and soon.
So, by all means experiment from time to time, but please Ben, learn from what didn't work. If we play that shape against Doncaster we will be torn to shreds. Oh, and fine Ed a weeks wages for that needless sending off. Just what we need when we're struggling with availability.
For Donny, assuming Upson is banned and Ogogo still not fit, I'd go with (3-4-2-1):
JVS. Davies, Craig, Kilgour. Rodman, Sercombe, Hargreaves, Leahy. Barrett, Tomlinson. JCH.
Andre, Menayese, THD, Clarke (if fit enough),JML, Adeboyejo, Phillips.
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Post by gasstrictband on Jan 8, 2020 23:30:34 GMT
This is going to be the classic, Here today Garner tomorrow.
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Post by socrates on Jan 9, 2020 0:19:28 GMT
This is going to be the classic, Here today Garner tomorrow. He needs to turn this form around quick or our play off chances are Garner be gone.
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Post by socrates on Jan 9, 2020 0:20:24 GMT
Are we Garner sign anymore players in the next couple of weeks ?
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