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Post by socrates on Jan 9, 2020 0:21:09 GMT
This is going to be the classic, Here today Garner tomorrow. Now look what you’ve done. You’ve Garner done it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 2:44:50 GMT
I want to know who the other candidates for the job were because if he was the outstanding candidate the bar most of been set pretty low. That performance tonight was up there as one of the worst in recent years, most of the time you can see how a team has been set up and how they are trying to play but tonight it was just how quickly you could move the ball sideways and backwards with absolutely no clue in the final third. B G just stood in technical area the whole game doing nothing other than looking out of his depth. The only positive was that Josh Barret looked decent. There is a certain conspiracy theory that is perhaps coming to light where BG was on the radar for some time (“I’ve seen Rovers play a lot this season”) combined with GC talking mysteriously about security etc. In terms of his profile he is exactly what our board would be after: first gig (cheap, won’t have any professional standards) works with youth (cheap playing budget). No matter who the other candidates were they probably never stood a chance and it was a box ticking exercise from the start. He is about as opposite to hiring Holloway as you could get and I don’t think there is any surprise in that. All in all it was a very unambitious hiring (from the POV of a team deciding whether to stick or twist with promotion) and was always likely to result in an immediate loss of form.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 2:57:08 GMT
Honestly, a couple of weeks back they were bricking it on Otib- all trying to convince themselves they had made peace with the prospect that we would drag ourselves to promotion through sheer bloody-mindedness in the absence of a lack of genuine quality.
And yet now they are laughing their ass off at us and rightly so because once again Rovers have inexplicably managed to shoot themselves in the Dam foot again. It beggars belief how the board have managed to have this play out. BG is fast becoming every City fans favourite Rovers manager and that is as damning as any observation on his tactics or philosophy.
But with regards to matters on the pitch he is starting to seem like a PlayStation manager, Gary Speed at Sheffield United was the archetypal PlayStation manager: first managerial gig, thinks it’s a piece of water to get players playing good football...only it’s not and the difference between the PlayStation manager and your rising lower league Guardiola is the PlayStation manager can’t get anything working through the thirds, so moves break down and Peter out with no incisiveness and their teams just pass side to side at a snails pace, thinking that at least 30 sideways passes is good football...when actually there isn’t much difference between that and a solid hoof down field after one pass.
From what I’ve seen and heard BG is definitely falling into the above trap- it.’s not as easy as he thinks it is. Has he got the nous to evolve from this? He’s under pressure to prove that he has ASAP in my view. Whether the board would sack him if he lost all his games til the end of the season I’m still not sure though.
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Post by lpgas on Jan 9, 2020 5:53:40 GMT
You're right. Bring Lines in as player manager IMO Here we go , anyone as long as he has played for the club and is a TRUE gashead
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Post by yattongas on Jan 9, 2020 6:09:00 GMT
Just a quick reminder....... start judging him after 20 games minimum and when he’s got a few of his players in the side. Writing him off now is bloody ridiculous and let’s not forget last night really was a tin pot game.
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Post by joebananas67 on Jan 9, 2020 6:13:58 GMT
His original statement on day one was that it would evolution rather than revolution
That has changed overnight to devastation from expectation
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 9, 2020 6:59:26 GMT
You're right. Bring Lines in as player manager IMO Here we go , anyone as long as he has played for the club and is a TRUE gashead Whoosh
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 9, 2020 7:17:06 GMT
Just a quick reminder....... start judging him after 20 games minimum and when he’s got a few of his players in the side. Writing him off now is bloody ridiculous and let’s not forget last night really was a tin pot game. Another 20 winless games and we could be relegated? If Mitchell-Lewis (an inferior Alfie Santos) is the calibre of signings I can't see things are going to improve once the likes of Nichols have gone. It's total madness to try and change the playing style mid season when working on a shoestring budget. The only blessing is we have a decent points cushion to the bottom 3 but that will soon disappear if we don't start winning the odd game.
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Post by socrates on Jan 9, 2020 7:38:22 GMT
If BG had said before the game that he is giving several players a run out to to see how they perform because this competition is not that important , he would of been slated, the guy has come into this position with mounting injuries and had little time to work with the players, I think tonight would have given him a clear insight to those players that are not going to make it, can anyone remember the last time KB had a good game or made an impact when coming on as a sub, yes were all disappointed with the results but I’m afraid we can’t hide behind the truth there is far too many players that are not good enough or have no interest in playing for the club, they have got to be sorted and this takes time, for goodness sake he has to have the time to do this, or he could of just carried on with the same system where we would of been found out for sure and these so called players would still be with us taking the water. Time has to be given to the end of season, do we really believe we would of stayed in the top six still playing the way we were. Yes I do think we would have made top six playing that way. I think Wycombe will too.
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Post by lisbongas on Jan 9, 2020 8:01:20 GMT
Fully accept we need to give BG a chance, I confess that I was never a fan of GC but given his opportunity he kept us up and left us in a position where a win against two bottomish teams over Christmas would have put us top or at least second with a game in hand.
It was however hard to reconcile watching some really dire football managed by an unappealing Irishman but winning with a potential real crack in the second half of the season at automatic promotion or at least the playoffs. I am now at an age where a promotion campaign playing sh** football and a season of a visits to trashton, Middlesbrough, Darby, Leeds, Forest etc etc is now quite appealing.
Instead we have appointed a young highly rated manager (where these ratings come from I am never sure as no one else was at the front of the queue to sign him). We have a manager that articulates his intention during press conferences very well but has never had to translate his ideas onto the pitch as the boss. Trying to coach some of our players with a view to ball retention and playing out from the back may not be quite as easy as coaching the premiership players of WBA who were still relegated.
With GC going we had the chance to give Holloway the reins, he has watched the players regularly knows their limitations, has great connections, track record of working with lower league players, inspires, and would have added 2000+ to the gate creating a buzz in the city.
Wael and co choose not to. Instead we are now embarked on a 'project' with an inexperienced manager. The team will be taken apart again and rebuilt in time for next season hopefully to get us back to a position that a couple of wins over christmas will put us top!
Full support for BG, and hope he can turn things around quickly before we enter a complete freefall.
But Holloway was the answer.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 9, 2020 8:03:38 GMT
The loanee from Derby didn't do exactly brill.Needs to be much stronger.Lightweight like Tom and Tyler Smith.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 9, 2020 8:12:01 GMT
Just a quick reminder....... start judging him after 20 games minimum and when he’s got a few of his players in the side. Writing him off now is bloody ridiculous and let’s not forget last night really was a tin pot game. Another 20 winless games and we could be relegated? If Mitchell-Lewis (an inferior Alfie Santos) is the calibre of signings I can't see things are going to improve once the likes of Nichols have gone. It's total madness to try and change the playing style mid season when working on a shoestring budget. The only blessing is we have a decent points cushion to the bottom 3 but that will soon disappear if we don't start winning the odd game. Nice to see you writing a player off, after one game lol.
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Post by joebananas67 on Jan 9, 2020 8:50:55 GMT
Last night I started a thread about BG being out of his depth. As expected I was vilified by the chosen few but it quickly turned into a decent debate.
I have had time to think overnight and again this is my view after he has been in the job three weeks.
Positives 1. At least last night wasn’t a league game and only 1180 us were there to witness it. 2. If BG aim last night was to highlight to the board the importance of off loading the likes of Kelly, Victor and Bennett then it worked. 3. It also highlighted our desperate need for a striker 4. Getting rid of TN was an absolute must 5. The signing of Barrett is a good one
Negatives 1. Make no mistake a 1-0 defeat could and should have been a lot bigger but for some woeful finishing. If we had lost 4-0 last night I think BG would be under severe pressure today 2. The more interviews the guy does the more I am convinced he as a coach was able to play to the egos of mega rich premiership players. He is playing in a different playground now and needs to assert some steel into the players 3. It is also becoming apparent in his interviews he was lined up for this job a long time ago. He says he had been following us and our games for months. My first thought on that is - why? Of all the clubs in England you watch ours!! That for me suggests why GC left and why he put himself first. His working position must have been untenable 4. If he had any intention of progressing last night he would have brought JCH on. This begs the question as to whether he is already on his way or is injured. If either why was he on the bench 5. Why sign a right winger and play everything down the left wing. That is just tactically inept
I've merged this with the existing thread you reference. You don't need to start a new thread every time you have a thought. -AF
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 8:55:16 GMT
Last night I started a thread about BG being out of his depth. As expected I was vilified by the chosen few but it quickly turned into a decent debate. I have had time to think overnight and again this is my view after he has been in the job three weeks. Positives 1. At least last night wasn’t a league game and only 1180 us were there to witness it. 2. If BG aim last night was to highlight to the board the importance of off loading the likes of Kelly, Victor and Bennett then it worked. 3. It also highlighted our desperate need for a striker 4. Getting rid of TN was an absolute must 5. The signing of Barrett is a good one Negatives 1. Make no mistake a 1-0 defeat could and should have been a lot bigger but for some woeful finishing. If we had lost 4-0 last night I think BG would be under severe pressure today 2. The more interviews the guy does the more I am convinced he as a coach was able to play to the egos of mega rich premiership players. He is playing in a different playground now and needs to assert some steel into the players 3. It is also becoming apparent in his interviews he was lined up for this job a long time ago. He says he had been following us and our games for months. My first thought on that is - why? Of all the clubs in England you watch ours!! That for me suggests why GC left and why he put himself first. His working position must have been untenable 4. If he had any intention of progressing last night he would have brought JCH on. This begs the question as to whether he is already on his way or is injured. If either why was he on the bench 5. Why sign a right winger and play everything down the left wing. That is just tactically inept I fink most of us dont know what the f**k we are talking about.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2020 9:15:19 GMT
If BG had said before the game that he is giving several players a run out to to see how they perform because this competition is not that important , he would of been slated, the guy has come into this position with mounting injuries and had little time to work with the players, I think tonight would have given him a clear insight to those players that are not going to make it, can anyone remember the last time KB had a good game or made an impact when coming on as a sub, yes were all disappointed with the results but I’m afraid we can’t hide behind the truth there is far too many players that are not good enough or have no interest in playing for the club, they have got to be sorted and this takes time, for goodness sake he has to have the time to do this, or he could of just carried on with the same system where we would of been found out for sure and these so called players would still be with us taking the water. Time has to be given to the end of season, do we really believe we would of stayed in the top six still playing the way we were. Big fat NO !
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2020 9:17:54 GMT
Last night I started a thread about BG being out of his depth. As expected I was vilified by the chosen few but it quickly turned into a decent debate. I have had time to think overnight and again this is my view after he has been in the job three weeks. Positives 1. At least last night wasn’t a league game and only 1180 us were there to witness it. 2. If BG aim last night was to highlight to the board the importance of off loading the likes of Kelly, Victor and Bennett then it worked. 3. It also highlighted our desperate need for a striker 4. Getting rid of TN was an absolute must 5. The signing of Barrett is a good one Negatives 1. Make no mistake a 1-0 defeat could and should have been a lot bigger but for some woeful finishing. If we had lost 4-0 last night I think BG would be under severe pressure today 2. The more interviews the guy does the more I am convinced he as a coach was able to play to the egos of mega rich premiership players. He is playing in a different playground now and needs to assert some steel into the players 3. It is also becoming apparent in his interviews he was lined up for this job a long time ago. He says he had been following us and our games for months. My first thought on that is - why? Of all the clubs in England you watch ours!! That for me suggests why GC left and why he put himself first. His working position must have been untenable 4. If he had any intention of progressing last night he would have brought JCH on. This begs the question as to whether he is already on his way or is injured. If either why was he on the bench 5. Why sign a right winger and play everything down the left wing. That is just tactically inept I've merged this with the existing thread you reference. You don't need to start a new thread every time you have a thought. -AFWell done that you and Roversdrive have had time to think about things ..........maybe think a bit longer still like a couple months before you cast your vote on our new manager !
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Post by Gassy on Jan 9, 2020 9:17:55 GMT
If BG had said before the game that he is giving several players a run out to to see how they perform because this competition is not that important , he would of been slated, the guy has come into this position with mounting injuries and had little time to work with the players, I think tonight would have given him a clear insight to those players that are not going to make it, can anyone remember the last time KB had a good game or made an impact when coming on as a sub, yes were all disappointed with the results but I’m afraid we can’t hide behind the truth there is far too many players that are not good enough or have no interest in playing for the club, they have got to be sorted and this takes time, for goodness sake he has to have the time to do this, or he could of just carried on with the same system where we would of been found out for sure and these so called players would still be with us taking the water. Time has to be given to the end of season, do we really believe we would of stayed in the top six still playing the way we were. Big fat NO ! Really? I saw no problem with it. It was clinical & effective football. I see no reason why we wouldn't have carried on in the top 6
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Post by brads213 on Jan 9, 2020 9:20:10 GMT
Last night I started a thread about BG being out of his depth. As expected I was vilified by the chosen few but it quickly turned into a decent debate. I have had time to think overnight and again this is my view after he has been in the job three weeks. Positives 1. At least last night wasn’t a league game and only 1180 us were there to witness it. 2. If BG aim last night was to highlight to the board the importance of off loading the likes of Kelly, Victor and Bennett then it worked. 3. It also highlighted our desperate need for a striker 4. Getting rid of TN was an absolute must 5. The signing of Barrett is a good one Negatives 1. Make no mistake a 1-0 defeat could and should have been a lot bigger but for some woeful finishing. If we had lost 4-0 last night I think BG would be under severe pressure today 2. The more interviews the guy does the more I am convinced he as a coach was able to play to the egos of mega rich premiership players. He is playing in a different playground now and needs to assert some steel into the players 3. It is also becoming apparent in his interviews he was lined up for this job a long time ago. He says he had been following us and our games for months. My first thought on that is - why? Of all the clubs in England you watch ours!! That for me suggests why GC left and why he put himself first. His working position must have been untenable 4. If he had any intention of progressing last night he would have brought JCH on. This begs the question as to whether he is already on his way or is injured. If either why was he on the bench 5. Why sign a right winger and play everything down the left wing. That is just tactically inept I fink most of us dont know what the f**k we are talking about. And BG tops that list
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 9, 2020 9:55:38 GMT
The irony of so many toys being thrown out of the pram over a game in a meaningless competition, for which games there is often hardly even a match thread posted on here. Why then suddenly do we care so much about this now? Was everyone that was so quick to put the boot in, at the game, amongst the few hundred?
We always put out weakened teams in this competition and rightly so. Garner did just that, probably thinking it would be enough to progress but unfortunately it wasn’t to be. But it did enable him to rest players like Leahy, Rodman, JCH and Hargreaves. One of our biggest problems right now is there is no bite in central midfield. When I saw the teamsheet yesterday I thought we’d struggle. Ogogo and Clarke are sorely missed as they do add that bite and energy. Hargreaves would also have added something but I can well understand him being rested at this stage of his career. Putting out a ramshackle team at least gives us a chance on Saturday.
There are clear and obvious reasons why we might be struggling at the moment. The team needs our support, not for us to be taking cheap shots at the manager. Of course he’s inexperienced and will make some mistakes early on, but give the bloke a chance to do his job. Like it or not, his appointment was not designed for the short term. Things might well yet get worse. JCH could be sold and there’s every chance we will have no adequate replacement immediately. That’s the way it is. Everything has context. Any ire should be for the board. There is a strong case to say that, the appointment having been made, Garner should not be judged until October.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jan 9, 2020 10:27:56 GMT
Mixed thoughts on this. Clearly he should be given time but do we really need to change tactics when we were 4th ? also with the lack of training time surely a senior team should have played against Stevenage to get used to the new system, afterall, they will be the ones playing it. A win is also urgently required to rejuvenate the team, revitalise the fans and restore some faith in our new manager
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