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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 10:33:30 GMT
The irony of so many toys being thrown out of the pram over a game in a meaningless competition, for which games there is often hardly even a match thread posted on here. Why then suddenly do we care so much about this now? Was everyone that was so quick to put the boot in, at the game, amongst the few hundred? We always put out weakened teams in this competition and rightly so. Garner did just that, probably thinking it would be enough to progress but unfortunately it wasn’t to be. But it did enable him to rest players like Leahy, Rodman, JCH and Hargreaves. One of our biggest problems right now is there is no bite in central midfield. When I saw the teamsheet yesterday I thought we’d struggle. Ogogo and Clarke are sorely missed as they do add that bite and energy. Hargreaves would also have added something but I can well understand him being rested at this stage of his career. Putting out a ramshackle team at least gives us a chance on Saturday. There are clear and obvious reasons why we might be struggling at the moment. The team needs our support, not for us to be taking cheap shots at the manager. Of course he’s inexperienced and will make some mistakes early on, but give the bloke a chance to do his job. Like it or not, his appointment was not designed for the short term. Things might well yet get worse. JCH could be sold and there’s every chance we will have no adequate replacement immediately. That’s the way it is. Everything has context. Any ire should be for the board. There is a strong case to say Garner should not be judged until October. You can't really dress up a defeat at home to a team heading for the conference no matter what competition. Last night's result is no better than losing to the likes of Chesham. DC got away with the awful cup defeats though because he had a pedigree and we could trust him to get a win in the league the following weekend and see it as all some part of a master plan. And that's the key word 'trust'. We can have very little trust that Garner knows what he's doing because he has yet to manage a win and in his position a game like last night was a god-send to get some credit in the bank with supporters if nothing. That he used it to fanny about with selection and players is just dopey. With the run of games we've got we might not win another 7, certainly it would go against the form for us to win one of them. We could have had a confidence boosting win last night, instead we got a morale sapping defeat.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 9, 2020 10:38:31 GMT
Major game for Mr Garner this Sat.We don't score and don't win so another defeat Sat in which we fail to score would be somewhat disconcerting.Football like life thrives on confidence so we do need to up our game against Donny.Both on and off the pitch our club is not progressing.
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Post by Congas on Jan 9, 2020 10:41:01 GMT
What pedigree was that at the time? He played for Hartlepool, got Salisbury up to the Conference on bags of money, assisted Ward for a short while and took us down when it would have been easier to keep us up. He had no regard for cup competitions.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 9, 2020 10:42:33 GMT
This is going to be the classic, Here today Garner tomorrow. Now look what you’ve done. You’ve Garner done it now. He should be put on Garnering leave
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 9, 2020 10:45:19 GMT
Mixed thoughts on this. Clearly he should be given time but do we really need to change tactics when we were 4th ? also with the lack of training time surely a senior team should have played against Stevenage to get used to the new system, afterall, they will be the ones playing it. A win is also urgently required to rejuvenate the team, revitalise the fans and restore some faith in our new manager Ideally yes, we would have played a full strength team to get used to a possible new system. To put it in context, though, that game was our 8th in 28 days. We have a small squad with lots of injuries. We’re also going to be playing Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday coming up. We had to rest some players. By the end of that run it is likely that the likes of Craig and Kilgour will have played 11 in 38 days. Unfortunately they’re not all built like those two and I hope to God they come through unscathed! We are in serious danger of losing more to injury. Before anyone says it’s the same for everyone, Doncaster have played 6 games in the same amount of time as we have played 8. Coventry, who we play on 15th, will have played 6 games in the period we will have played 9. Rotherham, who we play on 18th, will have played 7 games in the period we will have played 10. These things do make a difference, especially when all those teams have a bigger squad than us.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 9, 2020 10:53:52 GMT
There is always going to be some criticism of Garner given the start, but I don't think you can lay everything at his door
IF GC was still here, even if we were grinding out results we would still have had a bare bones squad and sooner or later it would have caught up with us physically and mentally IMO.
GC would have been looking to add players in January same as BG. Thankfully we have acted quickly (for once some would say) and got in 2 new players.
I think a lot of problems would be the same if GC was still here, you could say they have just been added to by GC going and having to get a new manager who has their own wants and needs
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:13:12 GMT
There is always going to be some criticism of Garner given the start, but I don't think you can lay everything at his door IF GC was still here, even if we were grinding out results we would still have had a bare bones squad and sooner or later it would have caught up with us physically and mentally IMO. GC would have been looking to add players in January same as BG. Thankfully we have acted quickly (for once some would say) and got in 2 new players. I think a lot of problems would be the same if GC was still here, you could say they have just been added to by GC going and having to get a new manager who has their own wants and needs Everyone is talking with absolute certainty that GC was going to start losing matches, how can people know this? How about if I start talking with absolute certainty that Garner is going to lose his next 10 matches and so we might as well just sack him now. What's the difference?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 9, 2020 11:16:54 GMT
There is always going to be some criticism of Garner given the start, but I don't think you can lay everything at his door IF GC was still here, even if we were grinding out results we would still have had a bare bones squad and sooner or later it would have caught up with us physically and mentally IMO. GC would have been looking to add players in January same as BG. Thankfully we have acted quickly (for once some would say) and got in 2 new players. I think a lot of problems would be the same if GC was still here, you could say they have just been added to by GC going and having to get a new manager who has their own wants and needs Everyone is talking with absolute certainty that GC was going to start losing matches, how can people know this? How about if I start talking with absolute certainty that Garner is going to lose his next 10 matches and so we might as well just sack him now. What's the difference? Yep the old "it was always going to happen" That's our Dan's favourite.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 9, 2020 11:18:15 GMT
There is always going to be some criticism of Garner given the start, but I don't think you can lay everything at his door IF GC was still here, even if we were grinding out results we would still have had a bare bones squad and sooner or later it would have caught up with us physically and mentally IMO. GC would have been looking to add players in January same as BG. Thankfully we have acted quickly (for once some would say) and got in 2 new players. I think a lot of problems would be the same if GC was still here, you could say they have just been added to by GC going and having to get a new manager who has their own wants and needs Everyone is talking with absolute certainty that GC was going to start losing matches, how can people know this? How about if I start talking with absolute certainty that Garner is going to lose his next 10 matches and so we might as well just sack him now. What's the difference? I can't say for certain we would have started losing under GC.
I (and anybody that has watched us I would hope) can see that we have been relying on the same 13/14 players most of the season and I wold think sooner or later fatigue physically and mentally would have set in due to the way we were playing and grinding out results
There is only so much you can give
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 9, 2020 11:21:12 GMT
It makes no difference whether we lost or even won 10-0, as true Gasheads we would have still taken the water out of him for the red ring around his head during the post match interview. I hope he kept his hat on whilst administering half time & full time bollocikings,
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 9, 2020 11:29:46 GMT
Everyone is talking with absolute certainty that GC was going to start losing matches, how can people know this? How about if I start talking with absolute certainty that Garner is going to lose his next 10 matches and so we might as well just sack him now. What's the difference? I can't say for certain we would have started losing under GC.
I (and anybody that has watched us I would hope) can see that we have been relying on the same 13/14 players most of the season and I wold think sooner or later fatigue physically and mentally would have set in due to the way we were playing and grinding out results
There is only so much you can give
When GC departed we were top of the current form and he was odds on to be MotM, JD & Maher kept that run going, but as soon BG arrived the wheels have come off the wagon and we're now probably bottom of the current form. I can't see that would have happened under GC, plus he may well have brought in new players on the 1st Jan if he'd stayed. The big worry for me is Donny will do their usual and beat us, Coventry will outplay us as they did at on Sunday, then next up is form team Rotherham!! Where's our next win coming from against Fleetwood or Coventry at the Mem?
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Post by garystash on Jan 9, 2020 11:47:31 GMT
Way too early to say if BG is out if his depth.
I think the main difference, and the reason he can't play GC's way, is his personality.
GC "loved the fight", and could motivate players with his attitude.
BG's attitude appears more laid back, and it may be bleeding through to the players performances.
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Post by socrates on Jan 9, 2020 11:58:00 GMT
Mixed thoughts on this. Clearly he should be given time but do we really need to change tactics when we were 4th ? also with the lack of training time surely a senior team should have played against Stevenage to get used to the new system, afterall, they will be the ones playing it. A win is also urgently required to rejuvenate the team, revitalise the fans and restore some faith in our new manager Ideally yes, we would have played a full strength team to get used to a possible new system. To put it in context, though, that game was our 8th in 28 days. We have a small squad with lots of injuries. We’re also going to be playing Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday coming up. We had to rest some players. By the end of that run it is likely that the likes of Craig and Kilgour will have played 11 in 38 days. Unfortunately they’re not all built like those two and I hope to God they come through unscathed! We are in serious danger of losing more to injury. Before anyone says it’s the same for everyone, Doncaster have played 6 games in the same amount of time as we have played 8. Coventry, who we play on 15th, will have played 6 games in the period we will have played 9. Rotherham, who we play on 18th, will have played 7 games in the period we will have played 10. These things do make a difference, especially when all those teams have a bigger squad than us. Just as well we got knocked out of the shitfest cup last night. Our best chance of not dropping down the league is probably lose to Coventry too although it’s natural to want to win every game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 12:11:40 GMT
Ideally yes, we would have played a full strength team to get used to a possible new system. To put it in context, though, that game was our 8th in 28 days. We have a small squad with lots of injuries. We’re also going to be playing Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday coming up. We had to rest some players. By the end of that run it is likely that the likes of Craig and Kilgour will have played 11 in 38 days. Unfortunately they’re not all built like those two and I hope to God they come through unscathed! We are in serious danger of losing more to injury. Before anyone says it’s the same for everyone, Doncaster have played 6 games in the same amount of time as we have played 8. Coventry, who we play on 15th, will have played 6 games in the period we will have played 9. Rotherham, who we play on 18th, will have played 7 games in the period we will have played 10. These things do make a difference, especially when all those teams have a bigger squad than us. Just as well we got knocked out of the shitfest cup last night. Our best chance of not dropping down the league is probably lose to Coventry too although it’s natural to want to win every game. It says it all about how things have changed in the blink of an eye when going out of both cups can be seen as a positive as it helps us concentrate on avoiding relegation.
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Post by socrates on Jan 9, 2020 12:55:03 GMT
Just as well we got knocked out of the shitfest cup last night. Our best chance of not dropping down the league is probably lose to Coventry too although it’s natural to want to win every game. It says it all about how things have changed in the blink of an eye when going out of both cups can be seen as a positive as it helps us concentrate on avoiding relegation. I reckon we only need 12 points to stay up we should manage that if we don’t then Garner will go down as our worst ever manager id imagine.
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Post by sipirate on Jan 9, 2020 13:03:41 GMT
I have not seen any positives in the 6 games watched since Garner has taken over. Why are we so cursed as a club. How long do you give him without winning a game before we do start to ask questions?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 9, 2020 13:15:36 GMT
Personally speaking, I didn’t agree with the appointment of Garner - I thought he was the wrong profile of manager brought in at the wrong time.
HOWEVER, now the appointment has been made, which was clearly an appointment made with a view to the long-term, we have to give it time IMO. Certainly a lot longer than 17 days.
I always thought it was going to be a tough job for any external manager coming in. There was never going to be a ‘new manager bounce’ for a side that had just won away at 2nd in the league to go 4th. There just wasn’t.
Not to mention we’re currently suffering what must be one of our worst periods in terms of injury in a long, long time. It’s hardly surprising that we’re lacking the steel and bite of the GC days when the two players who gave us that bite and steel in midfield - Clarke & Ogogo - have barely been fit since BG arrived.
But the biggest reason of all to give this appointment time is that as of yet, the manager we hired has had almost no time at all to use what must be his biggest strength - his coaching. To appoint a Premier League level coach and then get on his back before he’s even been able to use his skillset properly is madness, IMO.
I understand the doubts (I have some of them myself) and I understand the unhappiness at seeing what was a very promising league position slip away since he got the job, but to call for Garner’s head now is perhaps the biggest knee-jerk reaction I can ever remember - even for our toys-out-the-pram fanbase.
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Post by baggins on Jan 9, 2020 13:18:19 GMT
I have not seen any positives in the 6 games watched since Garner has taken over. Why are we so cursed as a club. How long do you give him without winning a game before we do start to ask questions? We gave Nicholls 3 years.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 9, 2020 13:19:44 GMT
I have not seen any positives in the 6 games watched since Garner has taken over. Why are we so cursed as a club. How long do you give him without winning a game before we do start to ask questions? Ha ha, START to ask questions? Have a look at this thread! The poor bugger hasn’t been here long, give the man a chance.
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Post by sipirate on Jan 9, 2020 13:23:35 GMT
I have not seen any positives in the 6 games watched since Garner has taken over. Why are we so cursed as a club. How long do you give him without winning a game before we do start to ask questions? Ha ha, START to ask questions? Have a look at this thread! The poor bugger hasn’t been here long, give the man a chance. He just strikes me as a soft touch, not very authoritative at all. I hope he turns it around but at the moment hes on thin medium sized ice
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