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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 11:36:40 GMT
the thoughts of an experienced pro He said: "Yeah they're different, they're different people, different characters. In football I've had loads of different managers and coaches, you see this, it's just about getting your name and playing well when they do come in because you want to impress.
"I think it is pressure, because a couple of bad games and you'll be in trouble. You have to hit the ground running with new managers and whether they've seen you play before or not, it's always good to get yourself out there. "It's quite different (to Coughlan). There's a lot of tactical and very technical play. I think things we can definitely do more of, we can definitely be better on the ball. Everyone has to want the ball at all times for that to happen and I think that's something he want to see."It makes my life easier when I've got the ball and I've got five or six options and it's all about training ground and getting on there and putting in the work. "You see them patterns in training and you bring it into matches. I said in an interview a couple of weeks ago that you have to be adaptable and sometimes the old manager we went directly and I do fit into that system as well, but ideally I like to get the ball down and play and that is my game. "The more we can do that the better but it's just all about getting results." Everything he says he then undermines by saying “the more we can do that the better but it’s just all about getting results”. Because Coughlan was getting results. Getting the ball down and passing it around to no great effect isn’t. It’s an interesting insight though- perhaps he’s trying to educate the players at too high a degree, he hasn’t got any pedigree of coaching pros at our level. I’ve said before his application of his ideas reminds me a lot of Gary Speed at Sheffield United and that seemed to be an issue for him as a former premiership stalwart trying to coach players at the bottom end of the championship.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 10, 2020 11:45:31 GMT
Ollie would have been the perfect short term fit. We’ll never know. I am sure the Grimsby fans will be ecstatic with Ollie doing a column in the Bristol Post every week
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2020 12:09:16 GMT
Ollie would have been the perfect short term fit. We’ll never know. I am sure the Grimsby fans will be ecstatic with Ollie doing a column in the Bristol Post every week I'm sure they couldn't care less if he keeps producing results for them.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 10, 2020 12:10:55 GMT
I am sure the Grimsby fans will be ecstatic with Ollie doing a column in the Bristol Post every week I'm sure they couldn't care less if he keeps producing results for them.
Bath to Grimsby, what a horrible journey that is to have to make. At least Holloway has a brand new Merc to get him there and back. Probably would have been a Ford Cortina with us...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 12:17:43 GMT
I'm sure they couldn't care less if he keeps producing results for them.
Bath to Grimsby, what a horrible journey that is to have to make. At least Holloway has a brand new Merc to get him there and back. Probably would have been a Ford Cortina with us...
All the compo he has received will have paid for that...
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 10, 2020 12:38:10 GMT
I get what you’re saying to an extent, but let’s not forget that Garner has coached under the likes of Pulis, Holloway & Pardew - the sort of managers who exude leadership & passion from every pore. Garner’s a bright bloke. I just don’t believe that he’s spent years working alongside blokes like that and not picked up on any of the intangibles that help to make a team successful. Which begs the question can leadership be learnt or is it an inherent trait? He strikes me as an introvert and a reflector which aren't bad traits by any means, I'm just doubtful that they go hand in hand with effective lower league management. He's clearly articulate and talks a good game, and no doubt has some really interesting experience and perspectives given the diverse roles he's fulfilled to date. For all his flaws GC exuded leadership qualities as he did throughout his playing career, which no doubt helped him in the dressing room and gave him a level of authority. BG doesn't strike me as the type of person who would play bad cop and galvanise an ineffective side, and if he did, I wonder how it would be perceived given his lack of any kind of management credentials or playing career. Let's hope the results pick up and these doubts get brushed aside quickly. Nice post and all fair points. Very interested to see where BG goes from here. Perhaps we could do with a more pragmatic, old-school leader-type number two?
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Post by Marshy on Jan 10, 2020 12:39:53 GMT
Which begs the question can leadership be learnt or is it an inherent trait? He strikes me as an introvert and a reflector which aren't bad traits by any means, I'm just doubtful that they go hand in hand with effective lower league management. He's clearly articulate and talks a good game, and no doubt has some really interesting experience and perspectives given the diverse roles he's fulfilled to date. For all his flaws GC exuded leadership qualities as he did throughout his playing career, which no doubt helped him in the dressing room and gave him a level of authority. BG doesn't strike me as the type of person who would play bad cop and galvanise an ineffective side, and if he did, I wonder how it would be perceived given his lack of any kind of management credentials or playing career. Let's hope the results pick up and these doubts get brushed aside quickly. Nice post and all fair points. Very interested to see where BG goes from here. Perhaps we could do with a more pragmatic, old-school leader-type number two? We are playing like number twos at the moment.
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 10, 2020 12:45:53 GMT
Nice post and all fair points. Very interested to see where BG goes from here. Perhaps we could do with a more pragmatic, old-school leader-type number two? We are playing like number twos at the moment. Nearly all Managers in any industry and I include football should have the ability to display and deploy " Situational Leadership" ,this will enable them to have adaptive leadership styles to deal with the vast majority of situations they will come across. The days of one dimensional managers with only one style are I hope rapidly being consigned to the dustbin.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 10, 2020 12:58:27 GMT
We are playing like number twos at the moment. Nearly all Managers in any industry and I include football should have the ability to display and deploy " Situational Leadership" ,this will enable them to have adaptive leadership styles to deal with the vast majority of situations they will come across. The days of one dimensional managers with only one style are I hope rapidly being consigned to the dustbin.
Coughlan went to Mansfield not the dustbin, although ive heard Mansfield described as a tip before
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Post by xenongas on Jan 10, 2020 13:13:31 GMT
Which begs the question can leadership be learnt or is it an inherent trait? He strikes me as an introvert and a reflector which aren't bad traits by any means, I'm just doubtful that they go hand in hand with effective lower league management. He's clearly articulate and talks a good game, and no doubt has some really interesting experience and perspectives given the diverse roles he's fulfilled to date. For all his flaws GC exuded leadership qualities as he did throughout his playing career, which no doubt helped him in the dressing room and gave him a level of authority. BG doesn't strike me as the type of person who would play bad cop and galvanise an ineffective side, and if he did, I wonder how it would be perceived given his lack of any kind of management credentials or playing career. Let's hope the results pick up and these doubts get brushed aside quickly. Nice post and all fair points. Very interested to see where BG goes from here. Perhaps we could do with a more pragmatic, old-school leader-type number two? What is Mayer like as a personality? Was he an integral part of what seems like Coughlan-old-school-blood-and-guts approach? Genuine question because I have Mansell down as passionate but not authoritarian and they are the two bigger names that have remained as coaching staff.
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Post by legas on Jan 10, 2020 13:21:49 GMT
Ollie would have been the perfect short term fit. We’ll never know. I am sure the Grimsby fans will be ecstatic with Ollie doing a column in the Bristol Post every week Print that bast&@d!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 13:28:01 GMT
We are playing like number twos at the moment. Nearly all Managers in any industry and I include football should have the ability to display and deploy " Situational Leadership" ,this will enable them to have adaptive leadership styles to deal with the vast majority of situations they will come across. The days of one dimensional managers with only one style are I hope rapidly being consigned to the dustbin. Over 12 months we were top of the current form table and still in both cups, whatever GC's managerial style was it was clearly working at Rovers.
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Post by baggins on Jan 10, 2020 13:31:53 GMT
Nearly all Managers in any industry and I include football should have the ability to display and deploy " Situational Leadership" ,this will enable them to have adaptive leadership styles to deal with the vast majority of situations they will come across. The days of one dimensional managers with only one style are I hope rapidly being consigned to the dustbin. Over 12 months we were top of the current form table and still in both cups, whatever GC's managerial style was it was clearly working at Rovers. And then he dumped us and sodded off. We'll pick up the pieces and carry on, as we do.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 10, 2020 15:24:13 GMT
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Post by lpgas on Jan 10, 2020 17:33:29 GMT
I liked Coughlin, and the football. Hitting the Shrews for four was brill, beating Ipswich even better. You have to be hard and know what you are doing to be successful. I had hoped that he would have stayed until the end of the season as I think he would have got us in to the play offs. At the moment I cannot see us getting in the top half of the table
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 17:55:33 GMT
Ollie would have been the perfect short term fit. We’ll never know. Love Ollie, but would he have been a good fit? Would he have been willing to allow Widdrington to run the recruitment side of things? We'll never know, as you say, but it's too easy and convenient a stick to bash Garner with.
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Post by socrates on Jan 10, 2020 17:58:02 GMT
Nearly all Managers in any industry and I include football should have the ability to display and deploy " Situational Leadership" ,this will enable them to have adaptive leadership styles to deal with the vast majority of situations they will come across. The days of one dimensional managers with only one style are I hope rapidly being consigned to the dustbin. Over 12 months we were top of the current form table and still in both cups, whatever GC's managerial style was it was clearly working at Rovers. Good football is winning football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 18:04:24 GMT
Over 12 months we were top of the current form table and still in both cups, whatever GC's managerial style was it was clearly working at Rovers. Good football is winning football. I get that to a point, but in an entertainment industry, if we're all bored of watching it, it kind of defeats the object. The key for me is evolving it slowly. Don't make too many changes too quickly. Easy on the eye football can and does produce winning football too. It just won't happen overnight.
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Post by Big Jock on Jan 10, 2020 18:08:23 GMT
Good football is winning football. I get that to a point, but in an entertainment industry, if we're all bored of watching it, it kind of defeats the object. The key for me is evolving it slowly. Don't make too many changes too quickly. Easy on the eye football can and does produce winning football too. It just won't happen overnight. I can see where yer coming from, but ta me pal - we will never afford th quality of players that will play exciting an winning football. Thats why although it wasnae pretty GC had a formula that MIGHT just have got us promoted with lesser players which happens ta be all we can afford.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 18:14:47 GMT
I get that to a point, but in an entertainment industry, if we're all bored of watching it, it kind of defeats the object. The key for me is evolving it slowly. Don't make too many changes too quickly. Easy on the eye football can and does produce winning football too. It just won't happen overnight. I can see where yer coming from, but ta me pal - we will never afford th quality of players that will play exciting an winning football. Thats why although it wasnae pretty GC had a formula that MIGHT just have got us promoted with lesser players which happens ta be all we can afford. GC like Francis was brilliant at getting the best out of his sqaud, perhaps when Bennett & co are moved off the wage bill we can get some footballers in to replace them but now we're stuck with GC's squad trying to play football they clearly can't play. Probably the only "footballer" in the entire starting 11 is Sercombe! Plus THD if he ever gets fully fit.
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