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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2020 10:00:32 GMT
You seem to be unable to understand the difference between the word entertainment and the word result. We have been utter dogshit to watch for 18 months. Yesterday was no exception. Its fairly self evident that results were better under GC. No, I specifically said that both entertainment and results are worse now. And you replied saying that I must be joking and that this was as bad as GC's offerings. It's in black and white. Just move on there's more to worry about at Rovers! |
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Post by teanbiscuits on Jan 12, 2020 10:04:38 GMT
Do you think it’s that or a lack of energy? Genuine question as I wasn’t there yesterday, but IMO a tired team can often look like one that just isn’t trying? I honestly dont know, but it looked like a lack of fight to me. It was like that from the KO. If it was 60 mins in then I could say it was due to tiredness but we started like that. The little burst of pace and energy just before half time showed me that they could do it if they wanted to. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 12, 2020 10:04:48 GMT
No, I specifically said that both entertainment and results are worse now. And you replied saying that I must be joking and that this was as bad as GC's offerings. It's in black and white. Just move on there's more to worry about at Rovers! Of all people!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😛 |
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Post by teanbiscuits on Jan 12, 2020 10:06:13 GMT
I don't know what the manager was saying but I could see more than once from the North Terrace him shouting and throwing his arms forward with the players going in the opposite way. I think that's why he gave up and went quiet.
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Post by althepirate on Jan 12, 2020 10:09:02 GMT
Cannot understand the criticism of GC. Did we expect entertaining football when we were trying to avoid relegation?
Especially when DC had wasted the budget.
Did we expect entertaining football when there was little money to spend in the transfer windows the following season?
GC achieved amazing results. Did our fans want this with amazing football?
Even then it was almost like a criticism 'we are playing above ourselves' but isn't that the sign of a good Manager?
We are seeing how well he did now by the performance of the same players, plus two additions, under the new Manager.
Some of our fans need a reality check we should be grateful for the results under GC.
Personally I go for results and success now not the 'long term plan' because success now lays the foundations for success in the long term.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 12, 2020 10:13:17 GMT
Cannot understand the criticism of GC. Did we expect entertaining football when we were trying to avoid relegation? Especially when DC had wasted the budget. Did we expect entertaining football when there was little money to spend in the transfer windows the following season? GC achieved amazing results. Did our fans want this with amazing football? Even then it was almost like a criticism 'we are playing above ourselves' but isn't that the sign of a good Manager? We are seeing how well he did now by the performance of the same players, plus two additions, under the new Manager. Some of our fans need a reality check we should be grateful for the results under GC. Personally I go for results and success now not the 'long term plan' because success now lays the foundations for success in the long term. I dont think there is a single fan that is ungrateful for the results GC brought. You cant make any justified argument against the results but it was bloody horrible football to watch. It was horrible under DC last 6 months and it's been horrible during BGs first 6 games too. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 12, 2020 10:23:19 GMT
Cannot understand the criticism of GC. Did we expect entertaining football when we were trying to avoid relegation? Especially when DC had wasted the budget. Did we expect entertaining football when there was little money to spend in the transfer windows the following season? GC achieved amazing results. Did our fans want this with amazing football? Even then it was almost like a criticism 'we are playing above ourselves' but isn't that the sign of a good Manager? We are seeing how well he did now by the performance of the same players, plus two additions, under the new Manager. Some of our fans need a reality check we should be grateful for the results under GC. Personally I go for results and success now not the 'long term plan' because success now lays the foundations for success in the long term. Agree absolutely. He kept us up last season, and may well have taken us up this season. Whatever his reasons for leaving, I`m just grateful that he left us with enough points to ( hopefully ) avoid the drop in May. |
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Post by althepirate on Jan 12, 2020 10:24:54 GMT
Cannot understand the criticism of GC. Did we expect entertaining football when we were trying to avoid relegation? Especially when DC had wasted the budget. Did we expect entertaining football when there was little money to spend in the transfer windows the following season? GC achieved amazing results. Did our fans want this with amazing football? Even then it was almost like a criticism 'we are playing above ourselves' but isn't that the sign of a good Manager? We are seeing how well he did now by the performance of the same players, plus two additions, under the new Manager. Some of our fans need a reality check we should be grateful for the results under GC. Personally I go for results and success now not the 'long term plan' because success now lays the foundations for success in the long term. I dont think there is a single fan that is ungrateful for the results GC brought. You cant make any justified argument against the results but it was bloody horrible football to watch. It was horrible under DC last 6 months and it's been horrible during BGs first 6 games too. Personally I would go for bloody horrible to watch and winning. For me football isn't an art form it's a competition. Just the same way I like my politics, reality not ideology. |
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Post by althepirate on Jan 12, 2020 10:44:04 GMT
Garner can have a million coaching badges and all the psychology degrees, but what makes players play is when you stop them going to a party (Southend)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 10:56:22 GMT
We had 4 seasons of attacking winning football in home matches under dc.
Then last season it all went wrong under dc but coughlan came in got the team sorted out and we stayed up.
Trouble is a lot of season ticket holders were not optimistic that the football would be good to watch so they did not renew their season tickets,myself included.
coughlan did a good job in a certain style and we should have left maher/mansell in charge in the hope they could keep things going in the coughlan style.
Being more entertaining should have been put away under future projects imo.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 12, 2020 11:14:42 GMT
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 12, 2020 11:27:25 GMT
We were very poor again. Woeful first half, slightly better but still second best after the break.
The better team won.
Based on what I've seen since Coughlans departure we're lucky we have a 14 point gap to the bottom 3.
I don't think it will be as many as 14 points come May. Hopefully we're still above the line.
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 12, 2020 16:25:29 GMT
Why do so many people on here seem insistent on hammering one of our most consistent and active forum members simply because he liked the idea of Garner? Legit being singled out as if he bloody interviewed and hired him himself. It's weird. Even so, why would his u-turn be a surprise? Have you watched us under Garner? We're an absolute sh*tshow. I was pro-BG when he got appointed and I'm u-turning... you can't not after the first six games. When you get fresh information, you're allowed to change your mind - he seemed promising on paper given his coaching background but we're a travesty so far. My issue isn't he liked the idea of Garner. Although Pirate being probably the biggest supporter of Garner on this platform and with the most knowledge of him when he was actually first linked does single him out a bit. My issue is the U-Turn, and now 4 League games later and not even 3 weeks after his appointment people want him out. I can understand having doubts but I just think it's odd given a) Coughlan left us in an absolute mess off the field, whilst massively overperforming on the field b) This is Garner's first few games of management, it'll take time c) He hasn't even had a full transfer window yet. It just seems incredibly reactionary. If you didn't support Garner's appointment and now want him out, then fair play to you! The limit before you hammered the man is clearly a lot lower than people who backed Garner's appointment, but at least you're sticking to your guns, in a sense. Given how we started the season, playing just like this might I add, maybe the issue isn't Garner? Hell. I see a complete lack of willingness of people to criticise the board when it comes to Garner, if he's such an awful appointment then why would you appoint him in the first place? Me personally, I'll give Garner until the end of February to pick things up, as long as we're not in the relegation zone that is. Fair enough, good post. FWIW I'm not in any way saying I want him gone. To reiterate, I was on board with this appointment and I, like most, am totally dismayed by our current standard of performances not least the results so I don't think it's surprising that me and others (in this case, Pirate) are umming and arring about whether seems the right man for the job. I actually agree with you, end of Feb is a good point in which to reassess the situation and I really hope we're in a better position to judge by then but presently, it's not pretty to watch us or look at the scorelines at FT! |
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Post by socrates on Jan 12, 2020 19:03:18 GMT
The players have to look at themselves too. I would hate to be playing losing each week. Going home to my wife or girlfriend saying I've lost again. Need to have some pride about themselves. Can't let themselves continue to slip down the table. Watching that yesterday, I'm not convinced Garner has the dressing room. No fight, no communication on the pitch, no ideas and in some cases no effort to chase, run or go for 50/50s. I don't think they are playing for him. I was expecting the players to come firing out of the blocks in the second half because that’s what I’ve become used to this season after a poor first half but it certainly didn’t happen. We had a decent ten minute spell just before they scored but that was it . |
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