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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 9, 2020 17:16:34 GMT
If there is wide scale social disruption, what good is loo roll if you dont have any food?
Jokes aside though, it is abundantly clear to me that we are not able to contain this one. I suspect we will be close to 1000 confirmed cases by the end of the week. I'd whole heartedly recommend stocking up on the basics like food and medicines. Particularly now as supply issues have already started due to the 'panic-buying'.
There has undoubtedly been scaremongering but anyone who suggests this is purely scaremongering is mistaken. Look at Italy - 6 million people being quarterentined as we speak. The death rates from Italy where healthcare is generally quite good have been higher than what has been *reported* in China. The incidence of bilateral interstitial pneumonia is also far higher. Perhaps no surprise. It's still very low for the young and healthy (1%) but as the total average is 6%, naturally on the other end of that scale the elderly and sick are up at around 9-10%. In an NHS that was already at crisis point, a proposed 30% of the population requiring healthcare for a new issue is going to be very difficult to handle.
Expect the next couple of days to show no acceleration in confirmed daily cases in UK and then an enormous spike. Just a hunch...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 17:30:52 GMT
If there is wide scale social disruption, what good is loo roll if you dont have any food? Jokes aside though, it is abundantly clear to me that we are not able to contain this one. I suspect we will be close to 1000 confirmed cases by the end of the week. I'd whole heartedly recommend stocking up on the basics like food and medicines. Particularly now as supply issues have already started due to the 'panic-buying'. There has undoubtedly been scaremongering but anyone who suggests this is purely scaremongering is mistaken. Look at Italy - 6 million people being quarterentined as we speak. The death rates from Italy where healthcare is generally quite good have been higher than what has been *reported* in China. The incidence of bilateral interstitial pneumonia is also far higher. Perhaps no surprise. It's still very low for the young and healthy (1%) but as the total average is 6%, naturally on the other end of that scale the elderly and sick are up at around 9-10%. In an NHS that was already at crisis point, a proposed 30% of the population requiring healthcare for a new issue is going to be very difficult to handle. Expect the next couple of days to show no acceleration in confirmed daily cases in UK and then an enormous spike. Just a hunch... This virus is obviously worse than the Chinese have let on. The speed at which China locked down cities and provences indicate they knew what they were dealing with, with the obvious follow on question, is this something that escaped from their lab? Containment is impossible. Even today there are regular flights into and out of Northern Italy, with no medical checks at places like Heathrow for those coming in.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 9, 2020 17:34:07 GMT
If there is wide scale social disruption, what good is loo roll if you dont have any food? Jokes aside though, it is abundantly clear to me that we are not able to contain this one. I suspect we will be close to 1000 confirmed cases by the end of the week. I'd whole heartedly recommend stocking up on the basics like food and medicines. Particularly now as supply issues have already started due to the 'panic-buying'. There has undoubtedly been scaremongering but anyone who suggests this is purely scaremongering is mistaken. Look at Italy - 6 million people being quarterentined as we speak. The death rates from Italy where healthcare is generally quite good have been higher than what has been *reported* in China. The incidence of bilateral interstitial pneumonia is also far higher. Perhaps no surprise. It's still very low for the young and healthy (1%) but as the total average is 6%, naturally on the other end of that scale the elderly and sick are up at around 9-10%. In an NHS that was already at crisis point, a proposed 30% of the population requiring healthcare for a new issue is going to be very difficult to handle. Expect the next couple of days to show no acceleration in confirmed daily cases in UK and then an enormous spike. Just a hunch... This virus is obviously worse than the Chinese have let on. The speed at which China locked down cities and provences indicate they knew what they were dealing with, with the obvious follow on question, is this something that escaped from their lab? Containment is impossible. Even today there are regular flights into and out of Northern Italy, with no medical checks at places like Heathrow for those coming in.
Isolation guidance is also poor. Self isolate if you've been to a hot zone or if you've been in contact with a co formed case. But those that have been in contact with those self isolating recieve no guidance. And we know you can transmit it when not showing symptoms. So some of those self isolating will be passing it on to those in close proximity. And they my friend are in the supermarket buying loo roll. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 17:45:03 GMT
This virus is obviously worse than the Chinese have let on. The speed at which China locked down cities and provences indicate they knew what they were dealing with, with the obvious follow on question, is this something that escaped from their lab? Containment is impossible. Even today there are regular flights into and out of Northern Italy, with no medical checks at places like Heathrow for those coming in.
Isolation guidance is also poor. Self isolate if you've been to a hot zone or if you've been in contact with a co formed case. But those that have been in contact with those self isolating recieve no guidance. And we know you can transmit it when not showing symptoms. So some of those self isolating will be passing it on to those in close proximity. And they my friend are in the supermarket buying loo roll. Correct. Just look at the cruise liner experience. Everyone isolated in their cabins, and yet practically everyone on board ended up with the virus! |
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Post by turdburger on Mar 9, 2020 18:22:33 GMT
Plastic would be a poor choice to start a fire in a forest. At least use a decent example you wet wipe plastic is a good way to start and keep a fire going in a forest (allegedly) ,varoius types of plastic are very flammable Petrol is better. So I'm told |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2020 19:18:01 GMT
I’m wondering if there are still people on here denying how serious it is?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 19:30:20 GMT
This virus is obviously worse than the Chinese have let on. The speed at which China locked down cities and provences indicate they knew what they were dealing with, with the obvious follow on question, is this something that escaped from their lab? Containment is impossible. Even today there are regular flights into and out of Northern Italy, with no medical checks at places like Heathrow for those coming in.
Isolation guidance is also poor. Self isolate if you've been to a hot zone or if you've been in contact with a co formed case. But those that have been in contact with those self isolating recieve no guidance. And we know you can transmit it when not showing symptoms. So some of those self isolating will be passing it on to those in close proximity. And they my friend are in the supermarket buying loo roll. Had a rather ironic phone conversation today with my son who resides in Singapore. Last week he was in New York about to be party to a presentation to IBM in New York. He arrived just after the loonie Trump was making all kinds of strange statements about the issue, the meeting was due to be held last Monday. Over the preceding weekend Trump's bs was found out as figures exploded. The yanks refused (the yanks in his company that is) to meet face to face and went to Chicago. The meeting was held over video conferencing. He left but when he got back, his company quarantined him to home (Singapore) because of the outbreak in Westchester where he was staying. The irony was laughable, the difference in the leadership in Singapore and the clown in the White House brought in to sharp relief. I am, personally, glad he is in Singapore rather at the whim of the incompetent in the USA. Let's hope we don't have to suffer our version here. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 20:13:27 GMT
Isolation guidance is also poor. Self isolate if you've been to a hot zone or if you've been in contact with a co formed case. But those that have been in contact with those self isolating recieve no guidance. And we know you can transmit it when not showing symptoms. So some of those self isolating will be passing it on to those in close proximity. And they my friend are in the supermarket buying loo roll. Had a rather ironic phone conversation today with my son who resides in Singapore. Last week he was in New York about to be party to a presentation to IBM in New York. He arrived just after the loonie Trump was making all kinds of strange statements about the issue, the meeting was due to be held last Monday. Over the preceding weekend Trump's bs was found out as figures exploded. The yanks refused (the yanks in his company that is) to meet face to face and went to Chicago. The meeting was held over video conferencing. He left but when he got back, his company quarantined him to home (Singapore) because of the outbreak in Westchester where he was staying. The irony was laughable, the difference in the leadership in Singapore and the clown in the White House brought in to sharp relief. I am, personally, glad he is in Singapore rather at the whim of the incompetent in the USA. Let's hope we don't have to suffer our version here. Seriously, you're trying to blame Trump ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 20:51:27 GMT
Had a rather ironic phone conversation today with my son who resides in Singapore. Last week he was in New York about to be party to a presentation to IBM in New York. He arrived just after the loonie Trump was making all kinds of strange statements about the issue, the meeting was due to be held last Monday. Over the preceding weekend Trump's bs was found out as figures exploded. The yanks refused (the yanks in his company that is) to meet face to face and went to Chicago. The meeting was held over video conferencing. He left but when he got back, his company quarantined him to home (Singapore) because of the outbreak in Westchester where he was staying. The irony was laughable, the difference in the leadership in Singapore and the clown in the White House brought in to sharp relief. I am, personally, glad he is in Singapore rather at the whim of the incompetent in the USA. Let's hope we don't have to suffer our version here. Seriously, you're trying to blame Trump ? How can I possibly blame him for viral epidemic. What I can and do blame him for are his utterly misleading comments over the last couple of weeks, his complete inaction to the point that the USA did not have enough capacity to even test suspected cases. Of course, in that vacuum, a lot of yanks just panicked when they realised this was real, down their Street and not a, to quote, "Democratic Party Hoax" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 21:20:52 GMT
Seriously, you're trying to blame Trump ? How can I possibly blame him for viral epidemic. What I can and do blame him for are his utterly misleading comments over the last couple of weeks, his complete inaction to the point that the USA did not have enough capacity to even test suspected cases. Of course, in that vacuum, a lot of yanks just panicked when they realised this was real, down their Street and not a, to quote, "Democratic Party Hoax" I think you are letting your hatred of Trump cloud your judgement. If your son's company had any sense then they would not have sent a team from Singapore to the US in the current climate. Did your Son's company believe what Trump said? Do they not have any possibilty of thinking for themselves? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 21:30:11 GMT
Had a rather ironic phone conversation today with my son who resides in Singapore. Last week he was in New York about to be party to a presentation to IBM in New York. He arrived just after the loonie Trump was making all kinds of strange statements about the issue, the meeting was due to be held last Monday. Over the preceding weekend Trump's bs was found out as figures exploded. The yanks refused (the yanks in his company that is) to meet face to face and went to Chicago. The meeting was held over video conferencing. He left but when he got back, his company quarantined him to home (Singapore) because of the outbreak in Westchester where he was staying. The irony was laughable, the difference in the leadership in Singapore and the clown in the White House brought in to sharp relief. I am, personally, glad he is in Singapore rather at the whim of the incompetent in the USA. Let's hope we don't have to suffer our version here. Seriously, you're trying to blame Trump ? All these “high flyers” helping to destroy the planet with unnecessary travel. Not a care for the youngsters who will have to live with the devastation caused by today’s current selfish inhabitants. I presume Oldie will put this right and have strong words with his son - or perhaps he won’t! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 21:44:50 GMT
Seriously, you're trying to blame Trump ? All these “high flyers” helping to destroy the planet with unnecessary travel. Not a care for the youngsters who will have to live with the devastation caused by today’s current selfish inhabitants. I presume Oldie will put this right and have strong words with his son - or perhaps he won’t! My company has banned all business travel. Teams at the central location have been split up and are now working from either two or three locations. Also, a team of engineers have been to my house to install a PC with five monitors in my man cave as it is expected that we will all have to work from home pretty soon. The seven P's, Proper Planning & Preparation Prevent water Poor Performance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 21:48:55 GMT
All these “high flyers” helping to destroy the planet with unnecessary travel. Not a care for the youngsters who will have to live with the devastation caused by today’s current selfish inhabitants. I presume Oldie will put this right and have strong words with his son - or perhaps he won’t! My company has banned all business travel. Teams at the central location have been split up and are now working from either two or three locations. Also, a team of engineers have been to my house to install a PC with five monitors in my man cave as it is expected that we will all have to work from home pretty soon. The seven P's, Proper Planning & Preparation Prevent water Poor Performance.
The seven P’s approach seems a bit OTT when it’s easier to just blame Trump! In all seriousness why is anyone still undertaking unnecessary business travel, or personal travel for that matter. Bloody selfish and irresponsible. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 9, 2020 21:57:49 GMT
Please, no apostrophes when pluralising. Thank you. 😡
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 10, 2020 9:39:49 GMT
My company has banned all business travel. Teams at the central location have been split up and are now working from either two or three locations. Also, a team of engineers have been to my house to install a PC with five monitors in my man cave as it is expected that we will all have to work from home pretty soon. The seven P's, Proper Planning & Preparation Prevent water Poor Performance.
The seven P’s approach seems a bit OTT when it’s easier to just blame Trump! In all seriousness why is anyone still undertaking unnecessary business travel, or personal travel for that matter. Bloody selfish and irresponsible. The government are resigned to significant spread and loss of life. They also know we will soon not be able to cope with healthcare demand. So the priority isnt really the individual, it's social harmony and the economy. People are doing what they are told to do by the gov. Keep working, going to school etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 9:46:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 9:51:26 GMT
The seven P’s approach seems a bit OTT when it’s easier to just blame Trump! In all seriousness why is anyone still undertaking unnecessary business travel, or personal travel for that matter. Bloody selfish and irresponsible. The government are resigned to significant spread and loss of life. They also know we will soon not be able to cope with healthcare demand. So the priority isnt really the individual, it's social harmony and the economy. People are doing what they are told to do by the gov. Keep working, going to school etc. I have had it on good authority that it is now official government strategy. In the budget it will be labelled, "Pension Liability Reduction Programme". The Government, impressed by the ability of the Chinese, Japanese and Italian governments to deal with their looming demographic time bomb by this method have decided to follow suit. 😜😜 |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 10, 2020 10:02:58 GMT
The government are resigned to significant spread and loss of life. They also know we will soon not be able to cope with healthcare demand. So the priority isnt really the individual, it's social harmony and the economy. People are doing what they are told to do by the gov. Keep working, going to school etc. I have had it on good authority that it is now official government strategy. In the budget it will be labelled, "Pension Liability Reduction Programme". The Government, impressed by the ability of the Chinese, Japanese and Italian governments to deal with their looming demographic time bomb by this method have decided to follow suit. 😜😜 And in true form, will have overlooked the assessment of impact to their voting demographic! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 10, 2020 10:06:00 GMT
I have had it on good authority that it is now official government strategy. In the budget it will be labelled, "Pension Liability Reduction Programme". The Government, impressed by the ability of the Chinese, Japanese and Italian governments to deal with their looming demographic time bomb by this method have decided to follow suit. 😜😜 And in true form, will have overlooked the assessment of impact to their voting demographic! Nice to see they are listening to the experts though, wonder if Michael Gove is taking notes. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:19:22 GMT
All these “high flyers” helping to destroy the planet with unnecessary travel. Not a care for the youngsters who will have to live with the devastation caused by today’s current selfish inhabitants. I presume Oldie will put this right and have strong words with his son - or perhaps he won’t! My company has banned all business travel. Teams at the central location have been split up and are now working from either two or three locations. Also, a team of engineers have been to my house to install a PC with five monitors in my man cave as it is expected that we will all have to work from home pretty soon. The seven P's, Proper Planning & Preparation Prevent water Poor Performance.
Not to be outdone by Nobby, I have had 7, sees his 5, monitors installed at home. Now, the question is, wtf do I do with them. |
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