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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 9:01:34 GMT
Well now, CNN is a bit biased against him, so this report cannot really be taken seriously. It is not exactly impartial reporting is it.
You listened to it, you said he was talking crap, so, in your opinion, what would you do differently? You come out with these one-line attacks all the time, which quite frankly, are beginning to make you sound tiresome (shut up at the back!). I'm really interested to hear how Trump is making a world-wide pandemic worse, especially a pandemic that nobody can stop.
Biased sources? š This is the transcript, reading it as objectively as I can, I would say that he is underplaying the severity and overstating the solutions (there isn't really any yet) which will mean many will not take this seriously enough. Quite a lot of 'don't worry, America is powerful and will defeat this foreign virus'. That could lead to complacency and a more dangerous scenario with higher numbers of cases and deaths than otherwise would be. www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/11/trump-transcript-coronavirus-oval-office-126647What is worse. A degree of complacency or creating mass hysteria and panic? If complacency means people still take precautions such as better hygiene, avoidance of large social gatherings, foreign travel etc but have a degree of scepticism about the severity of the illness once contracted then perhaps that is better than stoking up hysteria and the subsequent panic buying and unnecessary time taken by the medical profession, by that I mean turning up at GPās and hospitals when they donāt need to because a politician/media has led to disproportionate fear. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 9:11:10 GMT
Havenāt had time to read in too much detail but one of the bulleted updates on the BBC website suggests the number of new cases in China has virtually halted. Is this a sign that better control is being achieved and we can expect CV to gradually disappear?
Another mention was Singapore who have stopped arrivals from certain European countries. I guess that āidiotā Trump now has jurisdiction in making decisions for other nations!
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 13, 2020 9:19:25 GMT
Havenāt had time to read in too much detail but one of the bulleted updates on the BBC website suggests the number of new cases in China has virtually halted. Is this a sign that better control is being achieved and we can expect CV to gradually disappear? Another mention was Singapore who have stopped arrivals from certain European countries. I guess that āidiotā Trump now has jurisdiction in making decisions for other nations! The issue for China will be the virus flaring up again from people going to China once travel restrictions are lifted. CV will not dissappear as it is a pandemic and now endemic in the World's population and until there is a suitable vaccine that will be the case,think of it like seasonal flu it will I'm afraid be with us every winter. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 9:45:34 GMT
Havenāt had time to read in too much detail but one of the bulleted updates on the BBC website suggests the number of new cases in China has virtually halted. Is this a sign that better control is being achieved and we can expect CV to gradually disappear? Another mention was Singapore who have stopped arrivals from certain European countries. I guess that āidiotā Trump now has jurisdiction in making decisions for other nations! The issue for China will be the virus flaring up again from people going to China once travel restrictions are lifted. CV will not dissappear as it is a pandemic and now endemic in the World's population and until there is a suitable vaccine that will be the case,think of it like seasonal flu it will I'm afraid be with us every winter. Thanks Trevor. Still quite a positive trend in China although I appreciate they are not out of the woods? Do you know what happened with the previous ones, Bird Flu, Swine Flu etc. Are they still rumbling away, were vaccines found or did they dissipate for other reasons? |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 13, 2020 9:54:06 GMT
The issue for China will be the virus flaring up again from people going to China once travel restrictions are lifted. CV will not dissappear as it is a pandemic and now endemic in the World's population and until there is a suitable vaccine that will be the case,think of it like seasonal flu it will I'm afraid be with us every winter. Thanks Trevor. Still quite a positive trend in China although I appreciate they are not out of the woods? Do you know what happened with the previous ones, Bird Flu, Swine Flu etc. Are they still rumbling away, were vaccines found or did they dissipate for other reasons? There was never a vaccine developed for those you mention as those viruses were not as easily spread and the impact was on a more regional basis. You can be sure that at some time in the future there will be further outbreaks of bird flu etc The good news is that because we have gnome technology vaccine development is much quicker so it is likely a vaccine for CV will be available sometime next year. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 10:07:28 GMT
The issue for China will be the virus flaring up again from people going to China once travel restrictions are lifted. CV will not dissappear as it is a pandemic and now endemic in the World's population and until there is a suitable vaccine that will be the case,think of it like seasonal flu it will I'm afraid be with us every winter. Thanks Trevor. Still quite a positive trend in China although I appreciate they are not out of the woods? Do you know what happened with the previous ones, Bird Flu, Swine Flu etc. Are they still rumbling away, were vaccines found or did they dissipate for other reasons? China took Draconian measures a month in, the opposite of your point earlier about creating hysteria. Despite that they have lost a number of health care professional. I listened to the UK's Chief Scientific Officer on R4 this morning. What he said made perfect sense In essence, a very large proportion of the UK population will get this and a large proportion of those will make a full recovery. In so doing we, the UK, build "herd immunity" (his words). In this method a significant number of vulnerable people will become seriously ill, and many will die. By limited suppression we flatten the curve and allow herd immunity to occur so when restrictions are eventually lifted, the viral infection does not make a big comeback. Made sense to me, a lot of how this pans out will be very much down to individuals being responsible. Meanwhile, over in the States, I spoke to my oldest son who lives there who confirmed that after Trump's farcical address from the Oval Office the place went into meltdown. I don't support Johnson as is well known, but I have to say I think he has done well. Of course, time will tell ultimately. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 13, 2020 10:59:03 GMT
Thanks Trevor. Still quite a positive trend in China although I appreciate they are not out of the woods? Do you know what happened with the previous ones, Bird Flu, Swine Flu etc. Are they still rumbling away, were vaccines found or did they dissipate for other reasons? China took Draconian measures a month in, the opposite of your point earlier about creating hysteria. Despite that they have lost a number of health care professional. I listened to the UK's Chief Scientific Officer on R4 this morning. What he said made perfect sense In essence, a very large proportion of the UK population will get this and a large proportion of those will make a full recovery. In so doing we, the UK, build "herd immunity" (his words). In this method a significant number of vulnerable people will become seriously ill, and many will die. By limited suppression we flatten the curve and allow herd immunity to occur so when restrictions are eventually lifted, the viral infection does not make a big comeback. Made sense to me, a lot of how this pans out will be very much down to individuals being responsible. Meanwhile, over in the States, I spoke to my oldest son who lives there who confirmed that after Trump's farcical address from the Oval Office the place went into meltdown. I don't support Johnson as is well known, but I have to say I think he has done well. Of course, time will tell ultimately. I think there are 2 ways to deal with it. China or the UK version. The problem with China's version is that you need every country in the world to do the same thing. If just one breaks out we're f*cked. Getting 7 billion people to do this is basically impossible. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 11:41:01 GMT
China took Draconian measures a month in, the opposite of your point earlier about creating hysteria. Despite that they have lost a number of health care professional. I listened to the UK's Chief Scientific Officer on R4 this morning. What he said made perfect sense In essence, a very large proportion of the UK population will get this and a large proportion of those will make a full recovery. In so doing we, the UK, build "herd immunity" (his words). In this method a significant number of vulnerable people will become seriously ill, and many will die. By limited suppression we flatten the curve and allow herd immunity to occur so when restrictions are eventually lifted, the viral infection does not make a big comeback. Made sense to me, a lot of how this pans out will be very much down to individuals being responsible. Meanwhile, over in the States, I spoke to my oldest son who lives there who confirmed that after Trump's farcical address from the Oval Office the place went into meltdown. I don't support Johnson as is well known, but I have to say I think he has done well. Of course, time will tell ultimately. I think there are 2 ways to deal with it. China or the UK version. The problem with China's version is that you need every country in the world to do the same thing. If just one breaks out we're f*cked. Getting 7 billion people to do this is basically impossible. That. And by not allowing "Herd Immunity" they risk a big bounce back when Draconian restrictions are lifted. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 13, 2020 11:50:01 GMT
I think there are 2 ways to deal with it. China or the UK version. The problem with China's version is that you need every country in the world to do the same thing. If just one breaks out we're f*cked. Getting 7 billion people to do this is basically impossible. That. And by not allowing "Herd Immunity" they risk a big bounce back when Draconian restrictions are lifted. Exactly this. I used to live in Slovakia and I'm debating with my friends out there because they've completely shut the country down. No foreigners can enter unless you've got residence there. All travel in and out of the country is banned. The only things open are supermarkets and pharmacies on weekends. They some how think that the UK isn't doing anything and have it it in their minds that it's either their way or nothing. When I try explaining that this will last longer than 2 weeks and you can't get people to do this for 4 months, they just don't get it. Typically they think I'm just being a capitalist looking at the economy and they're using China as an example. They fail to grasp that this will come back to China again. As I've said with them, let's see where we are in a few weeks and next year. Will the countries shutting down just keep doing this every year? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 12:37:20 GMT
That. And by not allowing "Herd Immunity" they risk a big bounce back when Draconian restrictions are lifted. Exactly this.Ā I used to live in Slovakia and I'm debating with my friends out there because they've completely shut the country down. No foreigners can enter unless you've got residence there. All travel in and out of the country is banned. The only things open are supermarkets and pharmacies on weekends. They some how think that the UK isn't doing anything and have it it in their minds that it's either their way or nothing. When I try explaining that this will last longer than 2 weeks and you can't get people to do this for 4 months, they just don't get it. Typically they think I'm just being a capitalist looking at the economy and they're using China as an example. They fail to grasp that this will come back to China again.Ā As I've said with them, let's see where we are in a few weeks and next year. Will the countries shutting down just keep doing this every year?Ā There is the third way. The Trump method. Call it a hoax Do nothing Lie Panic. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 13, 2020 12:40:19 GMT
Exactly this. I used to live in Slovakia and I'm debating with my friends out there because they've completely shut the country down. No foreigners can enter unless you've got residence there. All travel in and out of the country is banned. The only things open are supermarkets and pharmacies on weekends. They some how think that the UK isn't doing anything and have it it in their minds that it's either their way or nothing. When I try explaining that this will last longer than 2 weeks and you can't get people to do this for 4 months, they just don't get it. Typically they think I'm just being a capitalist looking at the economy and they're using China as an example. They fail to grasp that this will come back to China again. As I've said with them, let's see where we are in a few weeks and next year. Will the countries shutting down just keep doing this every year? There is the third way. The Trump method. Call it a hoax Do nothing Lie Panic. You missed out blame |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 12:45:24 GMT
There is the third way. The Trump method. Call it a hoax Do nothing Lie Panic. You missed out blame Oh yes, silly me. The "foreign virus" |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 15, 2020 9:37:55 GMT
To be fair they are a nightmare at the best of the times over there, I was only saying yesterday how bad it must be with Covid 19 too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 10:03:44 GMT
To be fair they are a nightmare at the best of the times over there, I was only saying yesterday how bad it must be with Covid 19 too. There is no excuse for not planning for the outcomes of policy decisions, even if the decision is incoherent |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 15, 2020 10:08:39 GMT
To be fair they are a nightmare at the best of the times over there, I was only saying yesterday how bad it must be with Covid 19 too. There is no excuse for not planning for the outcomes of policy decisions, even if the decision is incoherent Not making excuse, just could see it happening as their airports are a nightmare anyway to get in and out of. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 22:26:40 GMT
Is the likely self isolation for the over 70ās going to be mandatory or advisory? Would seem very harsh to have this forced upon them, One of my former neighbours is over 70 and several times per week sets off on his own bird watching and will walk well over 10 miles each time, heās also never drank or smoked. Will he now be imprisoned in his own home which will have an adverse effect on his general health whereas an under 70 with an underlying health problem or in poor physical health through poor lifestyle will continue to be able to go about their usual business?
I donāt know what the answer is and it is hard set a black and white set of rules. Have there been any other alternatives suggested?
With regard to idiotic panic buying should there be enforced rations on certain products? Can the selfish bar stewards loading up on hand washes etc and then selling them on at inflated prices be prosecuted. Bring in some emergency legislation if necessary.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 15, 2020 23:20:29 GMT
Is the likely self isolation for the over 70ās going to be mandatory or advisory? Would seem very harsh to have this forced upon them, One of my former neighbours is over 70 and several times per week sets off on his own bird watching and will walk well over 10 miles each time, heās also never drank or smoked. Will he now be imprisoned in his own home which will have an adverse effect on his general health whereas an under 70 with an underlying health problem or in poor physical health through poor lifestyle will continue to be able to go about their usual business? I donāt know what the answer is and it is hard set a black and white set of rules. Have there been any other alternatives suggested? With regard to idiotic panic buying should there be enforced rations on certain products? Can the selfish bar stewards loading up on hand washes etc and then selling them on at inflated prices be prosecuted. Bring in some emergency legislation if necessary. Advisory, it is intended to prevent their exposure and contact with others who may have it. More of a safe house than prison. Scotland is recommending family visits but "no pub or bingo". My neighbour has been advised to stay away from her 90 year old mum who is in a care home and she is worried she may never see her again. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 23:27:58 GMT
Is the likely self isolation for the over 70ās going to be mandatory or advisory? Would seem very harsh to have this forced upon them, One of my former neighbours is over 70 and several times per week sets off on his own bird watching and will walk well over 10 miles each time, heās also never drank or smoked. Will he now be imprisoned in his own home which will have an adverse effect on his general health whereas an under 70 with an underlying health problem or in poor physical health through poor lifestyle will continue to be able to go about their usual business? I donāt know what the answer is and it is hard set a black and white set of rules. Have there been any other alternatives suggested? With regard to idiotic panic buying should there be enforced rations on certain products? Can the selfish bar stewards loading up on hand washes etc and then selling them on at inflated prices be prosecuted. Bring in some emergency legislation if necessary. Advisory, it is intended to prevent their exposure and contact with others who may have it. More of a safe house than prison. Scotland is recommending family visits but "no pub or bingo". My neighbour has been advised to stay away from her 90 year old mum who is in a care home and she is worried she may never see her again. Glad it appears advisory. All the headlines are about the 70+ being confined to their homes but more probably needs to be made of those in general poor physical condition or having underlying medical conditions. |
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