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Post by inee on Mar 16, 2020 18:22:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 18:23:50 GMT
You are on the list, and assisted suicide is illegal.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 16, 2020 20:34:31 GMT
Major backtrack today by the three musketeers following WHO advice to test test test. Whitty skirted round the question but the fact remains, they ceased testing anyone not bad enough to be hospitalised 4 days ago. The ability to track spread and isolate carriers is now nigh on impossible. Thus the guidance today to isolate families for 14 days, I assume in the effort to 1. Claw back some of the losses that no doubt occurred in the last few days and 2. Rectify the false assertion that infectivity clears up a few days after symptoms develop.
Schools remain open.
Bad science and bad strategy. All I can think that is modelled different by our experts to those experts informing the rest of the worlds countries is that they recognise our NHS is extremely fragile in comparison. Italy for example has a shortage of 3000 nurses. We have a shortage of 65000.
As I type I've just seen an NHS recruitment advert.
Sorry all but I am extremely concerned by their approach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 21:17:11 GMT
Unprecedented circumstances we are living through and it’s easy to be critical at every step taken. Everyone seems to have an opinion but as things stand I’m putting my trust in Vallance and Whitty who both appear to have the qualifications, experience and skills to guide us all through these difficult times.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 16, 2020 22:02:53 GMT
Unprecedented circumstances we are living through and it’s easy to be critical at every step taken. Everyone seems to have an opinion but as things stand I’m putting my trust in Vallance and Whitty who both appear to have the qualifications, experience and skills to guide us all through these difficult times. Yep easy pickings. Damned if they do, damned if they don't comes to mind.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Mar 16, 2020 22:20:32 GMT
Just imagine, some poor devils will soon be under curfew in BS3. Can it be any worse ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 22:36:12 GMT
Unprecedented circumstances we are living through and it’s easy to be critical at every step taken. Everyone seems to have an opinion but as things stand I’m putting my trust in Vallance and Whitty who both appear to have the qualifications, experience and skills to guide us all through these difficult times. Yep easy pickings. Dmane dif they do, damned if they don't comes to mind. A lot of the analysis and criticism is politically motivated. I think if Boris and Trump combined to find a cure for this virus plus cancer, MS, MND, paralysis etc they would still get slaughtered.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 16, 2020 23:44:41 GMT
Unprecedented circumstances we are living through and it’s easy to be critical at every step taken. Everyone seems to have an opinion but as things stand I’m putting my trust in Vallance and Whitty who both appear to have the qualifications, experience and skills to guide us all through these difficult times. Funny how their opinion differs to most of the rest of the worlds experts though wouldnt you say? I reserve my right to be critical. I am very much involved and I can very much say that the strategy has been exceptionally poor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 7:20:09 GMT
Unprecedented circumstances we are living through and it’s easy to be critical at every step taken. Everyone seems to have an opinion but as things stand I’m putting my trust in Vallance and Whitty who both appear to have the qualifications, experience and skills to guide us all through these difficult times. Funny how their opinion differs to most of the rest of the worlds experts though wouldnt you say? I reserve my right to be critical. I am very much involved and I can very much say that the strategy has been exceptionally poor. I think they had a strategy which was to sacrifice a number of us who are vulnerable for the benefit of suppressing a 2nd wave. It appears to me they became spooked when they guys at Imperial, whose modelling expertise I believe they utilise, told them they could be looking at 250,000 deaths. Nothing political in this, this is exactly what we were told last night.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 17, 2020 7:49:33 GMT
Funny how their opinion differs to most of the rest of the worlds experts though wouldnt you say? I reserve my right to be critical. I am very much involved and I can very much say that the strategy has been exceptionally poor. I think they had a strategy which was to sacrifice a number of us who are vulnerable for the benefit of suppressing a 2nd wave. It appears to me they became spooked when they guys at Imperial, whose modelling expertise I believe they utilise, told them they could be looking at 250,000 deaths. Nothing political in this, this is exactly what we were told last night. What we do know is this very much unchartered water and I have massive sympathy for the experts trying to manage through this crisis with raw data. No one yet knows the effect once the lock downs around the world stop ,will there be a 2nd/3rd wave as there will so little immunity in the population, my guess is yes and this virus will be with us until a vaccine is available. DomesticallyI am at a loss as to why the Government did not just close all social venues as relying on the great British public to do the right thing will not work ,witness the 10% greedy panic buyers,I will sacrifice but will be mightily watered off if my neighbour carries on as normal.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 17, 2020 8:38:06 GMT
Funny how their opinion differs to most of the rest of the worlds experts though wouldnt you say? I reserve my right to be critical. I am very much involved and I can very much say that the strategy has been exceptionally poor. I think they had a strategy which was to sacrifice a number of us who are vulnerable for the benefit of suppressing a 2nd wave. It appears to me they became spooked when they guys at Imperial, whose modelling expertise I believe they utilise, told them they could be looking at 250,000 deaths. Nothing political in this, this is exactly what we were told last night. I dont see any excuse for not recognising their modelling was off compared to everyone else. If as I suspect they went back and queried the modelling for this reason then they did the right thing and have acted on it. What I cannot justify is why they didnt do this a week ago. The measures are not particularly draconian (as he likes to say) so they should have followed suit and taken more care. Its arrogant and now we dont know where we are. They've lost the ability to track non hospitalised patients with positive results.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 9:18:45 GMT
I agree with Trevor and have sympathy for those trying to manage this awful situation. They are very much damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Everyman on the street is suddenly an expert on pandemics and this situation is being used by politically motivated individuals to attack the government.
My only expectation is that the key decision makers make the right calls with the information available to them and do so with the best intentions and with the best long term interest of the uk population. I obviously want the best possible outcome the same as everyone else but won’t rush to make any judgements, especially since the ‘final’ outcome of the measures won’t be known for quite sometime. I won’t be joining those calling for Whitty, Vallance and Boris to be hung, drawn and quartered.
One big criticism seems to be that we are not acting like sheep and copying select other countries. Imagine the criticism if all our highly regarded scientists came up with a model to follow or scientific based solution but we then decided to ignore it and blindly try and copy what others were doing and had an adverse outcome. The usual suspects would be calling for heads to roll for not following our own experts advice. Like I said damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 9:40:05 GMT
With regard to disease control has a ban on cash transactions been considered? I’ve not seen it so far but surely with the ease of contactless cards and chip and pin surely this would help? I suspect that those who insist on using cash for their day to day shopping will be the older generation who are ironically those most at risk with this virus.
Perhaps there should be one single checkout at the supermarkets for cash payments? The cashier head to foot in protective clothing like they’d just walked out of Chernobyl and long queues may make people change their ways?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 9:44:47 GMT
I had an email in work this morning. One of the major IFA’s we deal with has alerted all their business associates that they cannot guarantee that postal correspondence will be opened and actioned so instead want electronic correspondence - which most companies use as their preferred way of working in any case. Just made me think of all the items still sent by post. Should banks be instructed not to issue statements, if you want one go on line or call your bank. Likewise, how can junkmail being delivered by hand be allowed to continue? All these elderly and vulnerable people being told to self isolate having some stranger pushing unwanted bits of paper through their letterboxes!
I’m sure there are plenty of other examples.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Mar 17, 2020 9:54:01 GMT
That’s a disgrace but unfortunately not surprising in this society. Really should be punishing such people - perhaps some self isolation at Her Majesty’s pleasure is called for? I mentioned this t'udder day ,the worst bit is in northampton hosp people were taking the sanitiser from the beds of their family and friends. I can't imagine what i would do if i was in hosp and a friend or family member stole the sanitiser, To me thats far worse than a stranger taking it. Prison i read somewhere that if it continues they may end up releasing prisoners. Over 70's self isolating for 4 months, what happens to those that are still working with a mortgage or rent to pay, or those that do not use a computer, those who are housebound, i also read something about putting a sign on your door saying you are isolating and to knock and leave post etc outside the door, in the words of alexi sayle "Might as well put a sign in the window saying come and steal my video" . As you can guarantee some asswipe will take advantage Also saw that over 70's who don't isolate may be fined a grand, and face arrest. The closing schools is a hard decision as most will be out all day probably getting more exposure to the virus than if they were at school How would that they work out for Roy Hodgeson? He's what 72? If he has to self-isolate, how does he manage Crystal Palace, or does he get special dispensation?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 10:11:49 GMT
I think they had a strategy which was to sacrifice a number of us who are vulnerable for the benefit of suppressing a 2nd wave. It appears to me they became spooked when they guys at Imperial, whose modelling expertise I believe they utilise, told them they could be looking at 250,000 deaths. Nothing political in this, this is exactly what we were told last night. I dont see any excuse for not recognising their modelling was off compared to everyone else. If as I suspect they went back and queried the modelling for this reason then they did the right thing and have acted on it. What I cannot justify is why they didnt do this a week ago. The measures are not particularly draconian (as he likes to say) so they should have followed suit and taken more care. Its arrogant and now we dont know where we are. They've lost the ability to track non hospitalised patients with positive results. I think they were balancing economic and morbidity impacts. The latter then scared them when Imperial informed of the likely morbidity numbers. It's a hard one. I get why front line NHS Staff would find this frustrating, but we do have to consider the impact on the economy of a shut down. In a worse case scenario there would be much reduced funding capacity for the NHS.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 17, 2020 10:17:23 GMT
I mentioned this t'udder day ,the worst bit is in northampton hosp people were taking the sanitiser from the beds of their family and friends. I can't imagine what i would do if i was in hosp and a friend or family member stole the sanitiser, To me thats far worse than a stranger taking it. Prison i read somewhere that if it continues they may end up releasing prisoners. Over 70's self isolating for 4 months, what happens to those that are still working with a mortgage or rent to pay, or those that do not use a computer, those who are housebound, i also read something about putting a sign on your door saying you are isolating and to knock and leave post etc outside the door, in the words of alexi sayle "Might as well put a sign in the window saying come and steal my video" . As you can guarantee some asswipe will take advantage Also saw that over 70's who don't isolate may be fined a grand, and face arrest. The closing schools is a hard decision as most will be out all day probably getting more exposure to the virus than if they were at school How would that they work out for Roy Hodgeson? He's what 72? If he has to self-isolate, how does he manage Crystal Palace, or does he get special dispensation? He's over 70 so would be like everybody else in that age bracket. He's not treated differently just because he's a football manager. The obvious thing for me would be for the assistant to take over and have regular contact with Hodgson over the phone/video conferencing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 10:33:11 GMT
You have to remember that not everything is black & white. Over 70's staying at home is just a guideline. I bet Roy at 72 is probably fitter that a lot of guys of 62! You have to use common sense in the current situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 10:55:17 GMT
You have to remember that not everything is black & white. Over 70's staying at home is just a guideline. I bet Roy at 72 is probably fitter that a lot of guys of 62! You have to use common sense in the current situation. Media hysteria and scaremongering is making people think someone like Hodgson ‘breaking his curfew’ would be arrested and hit with a 4 figure fine.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 17, 2020 11:01:08 GMT
You have to remember that not everything is black & white. Over 70's staying at home is just a guideline. I bet Roy at 72 is probably fitter that a lot of guys of 62! You have to use common sense in the current situation. Media hysteria and scaremongering is making people think someone like Hodgson ‘breaking his curfew’ would be arrested and hit with a 4 figure fine. Speak for yourself 😋 Anyone missing Brexit yet? Who said 2020 would be quiet?
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