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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 11:08:23 GMT
Media hysteria and scaremongering is making people think someone like Hodgson ‘breaking his curfew’ would be arrested and hit with a 4 figure fine. Speak for yourself 😋 Anyone missing Brexit yet? Who said 2020 would be quiet? One issue totally dominating every news bulletin and front page immediately followed by another. Interesting times. i guess the much loved open border policy wouldn’t have have helped disease control much !! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 11:14:15 GMT
Speak for yourself 😋 Anyone missing Brexit yet? Who said 2020 would be quiet? One issue totally dominating every news bulletin and front page immediately followed by another. Interesting times. i guess the much loved open border policy wouldn’t have have helped disease control much !! Apart from the flow of cooperation and exchange of fact based knowledge....oh and countries have closed their borders in an emergency... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 17, 2020 11:17:04 GMT
One issue totally dominating every news bulletin and front page immediately followed by another. Interesting times. i guess the much loved open border policy wouldn’t have have helped disease control much !! Apart from the flow of cooperation and exchange of fact based knowledge....oh and countries have closed their borders in an emergency... Aren't we withdrawing from the early warning health system? Much to the Health Secretary's displeasure I recall. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 17, 2020 11:22:15 GMT
Speak for yourself 😋 Anyone missing Brexit yet? Who said 2020 would be quiet? One issue totally dominating every news bulletin and front page immediately followed by another. Interesting times. i guess the much loved open border policy wouldn’t have have helped disease control much !! We still need to agree an outline of a trade deal by June unless Boris changes his mind and requests a deferral. Emergency breaks were always available even within Schengen, which we and Ireland weren't part of anyway. |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 17, 2020 11:22:36 GMT
With regard to disease control has a ban on cash transactions been considered? I’ve not seen it so far but surely with the ease of contactless cards and chip and pin surely this would help? I suspect that those who insist on using cash for their day to day shopping will be the older generation who are ironically those most at risk with this virus. Perhaps there should be one single checkout at the supermarkets for cash payments? The cashier head to foot in protective clothing like they’d just walked out of Chernobyl and long queues may make people change their ways? In Joe`s Bakery, ( where I spend a happy five minutes every morning, choosing my carbohydrates and sugar ) they now have two separate tills. One for cash and one for card payments. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 12:31:43 GMT
With regard to disease control has a ban on cash transactions been considered? I’ve not seen it so far but surely with the ease of contactless cards and chip and pin surely this would help? I suspect that those who insist on using cash for their day to day shopping will be the older generation who are ironically those most at risk with this virus. Perhaps there should be one single checkout at the supermarkets for cash payments? The cashier head to foot in protective clothing like they’d just walked out of Chernobyl and long queues may make people change their ways? In Joe`s Bakery, ( where I spend a happy five minutes every morning, choosing my carbohydrates and sugar ) they now have two separate tills. One for cash and one for card payments. Not sure what good that does, unless only one person takes responsibility for cash handling, from point of sale to banking. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 12:44:31 GMT
Apart from the flow of cooperation and exchange of fact based knowledge....oh and countries have closed their borders in an emergency... Aren't we withdrawing from the early warning health system? Much to the Health Secretary's displeasure I recall. Apparently so. |
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Post by francegas on Mar 17, 2020 12:47:38 GMT
Over here in France there is now total lockdown. All Schools, Bars, Shops, Restaurants etc were previously closed . Now we are confined to our houses for a minimum of 2 weeks. We cannot leave at all without completion of a government form even just to go to the supermarket otherwise if caught we face being fined.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 13:02:21 GMT
Over here in France there is now total lockdown. All Schools, Bars, Shops, Restaurants etc were previously closed . Now we are confined to our houses for a minimum of 2 weeks. We cannot leave at all without completion of a government form even just to go to the supermarket otherwise if caught we face being fined. Does there come a point at which the damage to people’s health through isolation and long term catastrophic impact on the economy, jobs etc outweighs the benefits of this current strict method of managing the situation? If tens of thousands of businesses are forced out of existence, people lose their jobs, less tax revenue, cuts to benefits/health.....will this lead to more deaths and health issues in the longer term? |
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Post by peterparker on Mar 17, 2020 13:19:17 GMT
Over here in France there is now total lockdown. All Schools, Bars, Shops, Restaurants etc were previously closed . Now we are confined to our houses for a minimum of 2 weeks. We cannot leave at all without completion of a government form even just to go to the supermarket otherwise if caught we face being fined. Does there come a point at which the damage to people’s health through isolation and long term catastrophic impact on the economy, jobs etc outweighs the benefits of this current strict method of managing the situation? If tens of thousands of businesses are forced out of existence, people lose their jobs, less tax revenue, cuts to benefits/health.....will this lead to more deaths and health issues in the longer term? I guess that depends on what financial measures Governments are prepared to undertake.
Macron has been emphatic no business will be allowed to fail. Whether that is achievable who know, but he has tried to be confident and reassure the French nation. currently in the UK it's all a bit wishy washy and non committal
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 13:36:10 GMT
Does there come a point at which the damage to people’s health through isolation and long term catastrophic impact on the economy, jobs etc outweighs the benefits of this current strict method of managing the situation? If tens of thousands of businesses are forced out of existence, people lose their jobs, less tax revenue, cuts to benefits/health.....will this lead to more deaths and health issues in the longer term? I guess that depends on what financial measures Governments are prepared to undertake.
Macron has been emphatic no business will be allowed to fail. Whether that is achievable who know, but he has tried to be confident and reassure the French nation. currently in the UK it's all a bit wishy washy and non committal
A nightmare set of decisions to be made and a need to get a reasonable balance. It’s all very well Macron sending a message that no business will be allowed to fail but how can such a commitment be possible when nobody knows how long this is going to go on and how many businesses could be in jeopardy. Seems a bit of a selfish and self centred with no understanding of whether he can back it up. He might look a hero to some now but what happens in 3, 6, 9 months when his promises backfire? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 17, 2020 13:56:49 GMT
Does there come a point at which the damage to people’s health through isolation and long term catastrophic impact on the economy, jobs etc outweighs the benefits of this current strict method of managing the situation? If tens of thousands of businesses are forced out of existence, people lose their jobs, less tax revenue, cuts to benefits/health.....will this lead to more deaths and health issues in the longer term? I guess that depends on what financial measures Governments are prepared to undertake.
Macron has been emphatic no business will be allowed to fail. Whether that is achievable who know, but he has tried to be confident and reassure the French nation. currently in the UK it's all a bit wishy washy and non committal
Depends how you look at it? I'd rather them be honest than make promises they know they won't be able to keep to. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 13:58:38 GMT
I guess that depends on what financial measures Governments are prepared to undertake.
Macron has been emphatic no business will be allowed to fail. Whether that is achievable who know, but he has tried to be confident and reassure the French nation. currently in the UK it's all a bit wishy washy and non committal
A nightmare set of decisions to be made and a need to get a reasonable balance. It’s all very well Macron sending a message that no business will be allowed to fail but how can such a commitment be possible when nobody knows how long this is going to go on and how many businesses could be in jeopardy. Seems a bit of a selfish and self centred with no understanding of whether he can back it up. He might look a hero to some now but what happens in 3, 6, 9 months when his promises backfire? On the presumption that he has some idea of what he is committing to, surely his response has been better than ours? For example Johnson ADVISING people to not go to pubs and restaurants which kills them stone dead with no back up. If he had MANDATED closure there was a fair chance that "Business Interruption" insurance would have kicked in. Now it will not. Great move....not |
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Post by peterparker on Mar 17, 2020 14:05:38 GMT
I guess that depends on what financial measures Governments are prepared to undertake.
Macron has been emphatic no business will be allowed to fail. Whether that is achievable who know, but he has tried to be confident and reassure the French nation. currently in the UK it's all a bit wishy washy and non committal
Depends how you look at it? I'd rather them be honest than make promises they know they won't be able to keep to. I wouldn't disagree, but currently we have neither in the UK |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 14:24:00 GMT
Once again though, they have to be careful what they promise. What if a company were to go bust, and blame it on the virus, when in reality it was a bad business that would have gone bust anyway? Should the taxpayer pay for the losses? They cannot stand up and promise to compensate every business that goes bust.I
Then again, look at Branson. The bloke pays no Tax in the UK, his health division sued the NHS in court, yet he is demanding that the UK government provide billions to prop up his airline! Why should the taxpayer help that lady garden? Don't get me wrong as I am fully aware that Virgin employ a lot of people, but you do have to wonder if he is just playing the system, especially with his apparent dodgy dealings with the airline that went bust a few weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 14:28:50 GMT
Once again though, they have to be careful what they promise. What if a company were to go bust, and blame it on the virus, when in reality it was a bad business that would have gone bust anyway? Should the taxpayer pay for the losses? They cannot stand up and promise to compensate every business that goes bust.I Then again, look at Branson. The bloke pays no Tax in the UK, his health division sued the NHS in court, yet he is demanding that the UK government provide billions to prop up his airline! Why should the taxpayer help that lady garden? Don't get me wrong as I am fully aware that Virgin employ a lot of people, but you do have to wonder if he is just playing the system, especially with his apparent dodgy dealings with the airline that went bust a few weeks ago. Balance Sheets are there for all to see, so it shouldn't be hard. Smaller businesses that run on cashflow almost week to week will be harder to evaluate. But in the end it's a judgement call on how much the economy will shrink if support is not there. France have made their call, ok let's see what our Government announces this afternoon. I believe the chancellor is taking part in the briefing |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 14:32:51 GMT
Once again though, they have to be careful what they promise. What if a company were to go bust, and blame it on the virus, when in reality it was a bad business that would have gone bust anyway? Should the taxpayer pay for the losses? They cannot stand up and promise to compensate every business that goes bust.I Then again, look at Branson. The bloke pays no Tax in the UK, his health division sued the NHS in court, yet he is demanding that the UK government provide billions to prop up his airline! Why should the taxpayer help that lady garden? Don't get me wrong as I am fully aware that Virgin employ a lot of people, but you do have to wonder if he is just playing the system, especially with his apparent dodgy dealings with the airline that went bust a few weeks ago. Willie Walsh put him in his place. WTF was Thornberry on about in the house today? Embarrassing performance trying to play up to the Trump haters rather than making a useful contribution to a national crisis. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 14:39:43 GMT
Once again though, they have to be careful what they promise. What if a company were to go bust, and blame it on the virus, when in reality it was a bad business that would have gone bust anyway? Should the taxpayer pay for the losses? They cannot stand up and promise to compensate every business that goes bust.I Then again, look at Branson. The bloke pays no Tax in the UK, his health division sued the NHS in court, yet he is demanding that the UK government provide billions to prop up his airline! Why should the taxpayer help that lady garden? Don't get me wrong as I am fully aware that Virgin employ a lot of people, but you do have to wonder if he is just playing the system, especially with his apparent dodgy dealings with the airline that went bust a few weeks ago. Willie Walsh put him in his place. WTF was Thornberry on about in the house today? Embarrassing performance trying to play up to the Trump haters rather than making a useful contribution to a national crisis. For someone who complains loudly about bringing "politics" into this discussion you do it yourself at every opportunity it seems |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 17, 2020 17:10:29 GMT
I like the sound of this new test that can tell if someone has had the virus already. This will be a game changer, I really hope it comes out soon.
I get the strategy we're going for. It's exceptionally risky, but I do feel we were too slow in our transition from contain to delay. On Friday, the advice for over 70's to not go onto cruise ships was beyond laughable. Yesterdays announcements are much more welcome.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 17, 2020 17:11:41 GMT
Rishi Sunak "Whatever it takes"
Rishi Sunak announces £330bn loan scheme - equivalent to 15% of GDP. Says he is willing to go further if needed.
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