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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 20, 2020 18:20:29 GMT
Britain making its own decisions about Britain at last. When couldn't we? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 20, 2020 18:22:43 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 20, 2020 18:27:42 GMT
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Post by Marshy on Mar 20, 2020 18:36:25 GMT
He probably doesn’t use them anyway as I notice he has a balcony. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 20, 2020 18:51:15 GMT
He probably doesn’t use them anyway as I notice he has a balcony. Ask him if he still goes on a 'shovel recce'. Would explain the molehills in the garden last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 7:01:56 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Mar 21, 2020 7:09:25 GMT
Is this right that Wetherspoons are going to open?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 8:23:24 GMT
Is this right that Wetherspoons are going to open? No, they are not. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 8:27:05 GMT
Is this right that Wetherspoons are going to open? No, they are not. I think if they tried the Police might have something to say. But Martin shows his true colours. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 21, 2020 8:37:47 GMT
I think if they tried the Police might have something to say. But Martin shows his true colours. Self publicity? |
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Post by althepirate on Mar 21, 2020 9:02:40 GMT
I think if they tried the Police might have something to say. But Martin shows his true colours. Yes, shows what would happen without law and order. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 21, 2020 9:42:51 GMT
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 21, 2020 10:27:02 GMT
Italy sadly is a pattern that we will reasonably follow and potentially worse. Their healthcare system is excellent, far better than ours. They have more people, more equipment. We are around 2 weeks away from peak in Londom and 4 in the UK generally and we face the following significant challenges: 1. Our starting point is far worse. ICU is already close to capacity in London. 2. We have less staff by tens of thousands and further still are not trained to use ventilators. 3. We do not have enough equipment, beds or ICU space generally. As mitigation we will benefit from two and potentially three things: 1. Our population is marginally younger 2. We implemented full national social distancing fractionally before they did within the pattern. 3. We are a few weeks behind meaning we are closer to any potential treatment or antibody test that if we are lucky may emerge soon. I'm doubtful of the former but more optimistic on the latter. In Italy they are having to make choices about who they try to save, based on any comorbidity, age and family status. Its not unreasonable that we have 200k cases in the UK incubating right now. In 2 weeks time, 66k will require healthcare, 22k will require hospitalization. Capacity will be entirely exhausted extremely quickly. There is a pattern of severity linked to viral load. This is significant. Family member 1 with low viral exposure becomes ill and self isolates but the second generation, family members 2 and 3 have higher viral load and become worse. Equally we are finding that sending people home who arent bad enough (many would be bad enough in normal circumstances) only means they are coming back far worse a few days later. This is particularly true for the younger patients. Mortality then will increase on three levels - higher levels of exposure, inadequate initial care and insufficient definitive care. Mortality rates will begin to rise and the age affected will begin to level out more with the exception of children who seem to be invincible to the pneumonia. All the while, heart attacks and strokes continue to happen but with less provision. I suspect we are likely on track to follow in Italys footsteps and I see every chance of us managing far worse in time. Honestly Stuart, its bleak. Really Dam bleak. I wish I could find some positive angle but there isnt one. We are going to lose tens of thousands of lives and maybe more. Guys, please. Please. Dont be a tough guy, dont gamble. Do everything you can to not get it. If you know a nurse, doctor or paramedic, look after them. Make sure they have what they need to sleep and work and encourage everyone you know to stay at home as much as they can. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 21, 2020 10:53:09 GMT
Italy sadly is a pattern that we will reasonably follow and potentially worse. Their healthcare system is excellent, far better than ours. They have more people, more equipment. We are around 2 weeks away from peak in Londom and 4 in the UK generally and we face the following significant challenges: 1. Our starting point is far worse. ICU is already close to capacity in London. 2. We have less staff by tens of thousands and further still are not trained to use ventilators. 3. We do not have enough equipment, beds or ICU space generally. As mitigation we will benefit from two and potentially three things: 1. Our population is marginally younger 2. We implemented full national social distancing fractionally before they did within the pattern. 3. We are a few weeks behind meaning we are closer to any potential treatment or antibody test that if we are lucky may emerge soon. I'm doubtful of the former but more optimistic on the latter. In Italy they are having to make choices about who they try to save, based on any comorbidity, age and family status. Its not unreasonable that we have 200k cases in the UK incubating right now. In 2 weeks time, 66k will require healthcare, 22k will require hospitalization. Capacity will be entirely exhausted extremely quickly. There is a pattern of severity linked to viral load. This is significant. Family member 1 with low viral exposure becomes ill and self isolates but the second generation, family members 2 and 3 have higher viral load and become worse. Equally we are finding that sending people home who arent bad enough (many would be bad enough in normal circumstances) only means they are coming back far worse a few days later. This is particularly true for the younger patients. Mortality then will increase on three levels - higher levels of exposure, inadequate initial care and insufficient definitive care. Mortality rates will begin to rise and the age affected will begin to level out more with the exception of children who seem to be invincible to the pneumonia. All the while, heart attacks and strokes continue to happen but with less provision. I suspect we are likely on track to follow in Italys footsteps and I see every chance of us managing far worse in time. Honestly Stuart, its bleak. Really f**king bleak. I wish I could find some positive angle but there isnt one. We are going to lose tens of thousands of lives and maybe more. Guys, please. Please. Dont be a tough guy, dont gamble. Do everything you can to not get it. If you know a nurse, doctor or paramedic, look after them. Make sure they have what they need to sleep and work and encourage everyone you know to stay at home as much as they can. Thanks, appreciate the honesty. Sorry I can't give you a 'like' though. 🙁 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 10:53:51 GMT
I think if they tried the Police might have something to say. But Martin shows his true colours. Yes, shows what would happen without law and order. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins Correct me if I wrong Al, but I think you have misinterpreted that book. The Selfish Gene relates to the survival of the fittest. Both physically and intellectually. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 10:59:46 GMT
Italy sadly is a pattern that we will reasonably follow and potentially worse. Their healthcare system is excellent, far better than ours. They have more people, more equipment. We are around 2 weeks away from peak in Londom and 4 in the UK generally and we face the following significant challenges: 1. Our starting point is far worse. ICU is already close to capacity in London. 2. We have less staff by tens of thousands and further still are not trained to use ventilators. 3. We do not have enough equipment, beds or ICU space generally. As mitigation we will benefit from two and potentially three things: 1. Our population is marginally younger 2. We implemented full national social distancing fractionally before they did within the pattern. 3. We are a few weeks behind meaning we are closer to any potential treatment or antibody test that if we are lucky may emerge soon. I'm doubtful of the former but more optimistic on the latter. In Italy they are having to make choices about who they try to save, based on any comorbidity, age and family status. Its not unreasonable that we have 200k cases in the UK incubating right now. In 2 weeks time, 66k will require healthcare, 22k will require hospitalization. Capacity will be entirely exhausted extremely quickly. There is a pattern of severity linked to viral load. This is significant. Family member 1 with low viral exposure becomes ill and self isolates but the second generation, family members 2 and 3 have higher viral load and become worse. Equally we are finding that sending people home who arent bad enough (many would be bad enough in normal circumstances) only means they are coming back far worse a few days later. This is particularly true for the younger patients. Mortality then will increase on three levels - higher levels of exposure, inadequate initial care and insufficient definitive care. Mortality rates will begin to rise and the age affected will begin to level out more with the exception of children who seem to be invincible to the pneumonia. All the while, heart attacks and strokes continue to happen but with less provision. I suspect we are likely on track to follow in Italys footsteps and I see every chance of us managing far worse in time. Honestly Stuart, its bleak. Really f**king bleak. I wish I could find some positive angle but there isnt one. We are going to lose tens of thousands of lives and maybe more. Guys, please. Please. Dont be a tough guy, dont gamble. Do everything you can to not get it. If you know a nurse, doctor or paramedic, look after them. Make sure they have what they need to sleep and work and encourage everyone you know to stay at home as much as they can. Thanks, appreciate the honesty. Sorry I can't give you a 'like' though. 🙁 Yes, same here. It's good to have someone on the frontline posting here, whatever the reality. Once this is done, what price then for funding our health service properly? Note. I am not suggesting for a moment any level would have stopped this, but a better funded and properly resourced NHS may well have ameliorated the worse outcomes. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 21, 2020 11:39:26 GMT
Italy sadly is a pattern that we will reasonably follow and potentially worse. Their healthcare system is excellent, far better than ours. They have more people, more equipment. We are around 2 weeks away from peak in Londom and 4 in the UK generally and we face the following significant challenges: 1. Our starting point is far worse. ICU is already close to capacity in London. 2. We have less staff by tens of thousands and further still are not trained to use ventilators. 3. We do not have enough equipment, beds or ICU space generally. As mitigation we will benefit from two and potentially three things: 1. Our population is marginally younger 2. We implemented full national social distancing fractionally before they did within the pattern. 3. We are a few weeks behind meaning we are closer to any potential treatment or antibody test that if we are lucky may emerge soon. I'm doubtful of the former but more optimistic on the latter. In Italy they are having to make choices about who they try to save, based on any comorbidity, age and family status. Its not unreasonable that we have 200k cases in the UK incubating right now. In 2 weeks time, 66k will require healthcare, 22k will require hospitalization. Capacity will be entirely exhausted extremely quickly. There is a pattern of severity linked to viral load. This is significant. Family member 1 with low viral exposure becomes ill and self isolates but the second generation, family members 2 and 3 have higher viral load and become worse. Equally we are finding that sending people home who arent bad enough (many would be bad enough in normal circumstances) only means they are coming back far worse a few days later. This is particularly true for the younger patients. Mortality then will increase on three levels - higher levels of exposure, inadequate initial care and insufficient definitive care. Mortality rates will begin to rise and the age affected will begin to level out more with the exception of children who seem to be invincible to the pneumonia. All the while, heart attacks and strokes continue to happen but with less provision. I suspect we are likely on track to follow in Italys footsteps and I see every chance of us managing far worse in time. Honestly Stuart, its bleak. Really f**king bleak. I wish I could find some positive angle but there isnt one. We are going to lose tens of thousands of lives and maybe more. Guys, please. Please. Dont be a tough guy, dont gamble. Do everything you can to not get it. If you know a nurse, doctor or paramedic, look after them. Make sure they have what they need to sleep and work and encourage everyone you know to stay at home as much as they can. Thanks, appreciate the honesty. Sorry I can't give you a 'like' though. 🙁 Yeah I'm sorry too. I saw pictures of people on 'one last night out' last night. I dont think people have grasped what is coming. As someone far more eloquent than I put it, we are the people on the beach marvelling at the tide pulling back half a mile, completely unaware of what it means. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 21, 2020 11:47:56 GMT
Thanks, appreciate the honesty. Sorry I can't give you a 'like' though. 🙁 Yeah I'm sorry too. I saw pictures of people on 'one last night out' last night. I dont think people have grasped what is coming. As someone far more eloquent than I put it, we are the people on the beach marvelling at the tide pulling back half a mile, completely unaware of what it means. My daughter (aged 7) had her last day at school yesterday, she came home and said to me that her friend told her "children don't get Coronavirus." |
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Post by althepirate on Mar 21, 2020 12:49:57 GMT
Yes, shows what would happen without law and order. The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins Correct me if I wrong Al, but I think you have misinterpreted that book. The Selfish Gene relates to the survival of the fittest. Both physically and intellectually. It's about I'll help you if by doing so it will help me. If it doesn't help me I won't help you. It's about selfishness being a weak quality and the opposite being a strength. Right now if the healthcare workers had a selfish gene they would give up their jobs and think purely about themselves. I don't personally consider that strong or fit. For me their strength is their unselfishness. |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 21, 2020 16:47:04 GMT
Italy sadly is a pattern that we will reasonably follow and potentially worse. Their healthcare system is excellent, far better than ours. They have more people, more equipment. We are around 2 weeks away from peak in Londom and 4 in the UK generally and we face the following significant challenges: 1. Our starting point is far worse. ICU is already close to capacity in London. 2. We have less staff by tens of thousands and further still are not trained to use ventilators. 3. We do not have enough equipment, beds or ICU space generally. As mitigation we will benefit from two and potentially three things: 1. Our population is marginally younger 2. We implemented full national social distancing fractionally before they did within the pattern. 3. We are a few weeks behind meaning we are closer to any potential treatment or antibody test that if we are lucky may emerge soon. I'm doubtful of the former but more optimistic on the latter. In Italy they are having to make choices about who they try to save, based on any comorbidity, age and family status. Its not unreasonable that we have 200k cases in the UK incubating right now. In 2 weeks time, 66k will require healthcare, 22k will require hospitalization. Capacity will be entirely exhausted extremely quickly. There is a pattern of severity linked to viral load. This is significant. Family member 1 with low viral exposure becomes ill and self isolates but the second generation, family members 2 and 3 have higher viral load and become worse. Equally we are finding that sending people home who arent bad enough (many would be bad enough in normal circumstances) only means they are coming back far worse a few days later. This is particularly true for the younger patients. Mortality then will increase on three levels - higher levels of exposure, inadequate initial care and insufficient definitive care. Mortality rates will begin to rise and the age affected will begin to level out more with the exception of children who seem to be invincible to the pneumonia. All the while, heart attacks and strokes continue to happen but with less provision. I suspect we are likely on track to follow in Italys footsteps and I see every chance of us managing far worse in time. Honestly Stuart, its bleak. Really f**king bleak. I wish I could find some positive angle but there isnt one. We are going to lose tens of thousands of lives and maybe more. Guys, please. Please. Dont be a tough guy, dont gamble. Do everything you can to not get it. If you know a nurse, doctor or paramedic, look after them. Make sure they have what they need to sleep and work and encourage everyone you know to stay at home as much as they can. Well, that`s not so bad. I was starting to get worried. |
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