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Post by francegas on Mar 7, 2021 18:57:21 GMT
Back up what you’re saying - but you can’t can you? I know several nurses, who are working long hours, 16/17 hours a day, for 6 days a week with some doing the extra 7th day overtime shift, who have struggled for ppe right from the beginning although it's much better now, and the virus has killed 120,000 people. If you still see that as "bullshit" as you so nicely put it, that's your problem. I hope you see this as me writing something constructive for the first time in my life? Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2021 19:01:45 GMT
I know several nurses, who are working long hours, 16/17 hours a day, for 6 days a week with some doing the extra 7th day overtime shift, who have struggled for ppe right from the beginning although it's much better now, and the virus has killed 120,000 people. If you still see that as "bullshit" as you so nicely put it, that's your problem. I hope you see this as me writing something constructive for the first time in my life? Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. What is it with all this “ ganging up on me “ nonsense? That’s you , oldgas & Blueridge now .
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Post by francegas on Mar 7, 2021 19:04:33 GMT
Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. What is it with all this “ ganging up on me “ nonsense? That’s you , oldgas & Blueridge now . Because Yatton the last time I tried to make a point all I got was "how can you support this government "
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 7, 2021 19:22:01 GMT
I know several nurses, who are working long hours, 16/17 hours a day, for 6 days a week with some doing the extra 7th day overtime shift, who have struggled for ppe right from the beginning although it's much better now, and the virus has killed 120,000 people. If you still see that as "bullshit" as you so nicely put it, that's your problem. I hope you see this as me writing something constructive for the first time in my life? Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. Can't speak on behalf of all nurses but I do know many that work over and above that regularly. Employment law counts for the best part of bugger all when you have the choice to walk out and leave your colleagues short staffed and under tremendous pressure or grab a bite and do a few more hours. That's the reality of it, at least in my realm. I dont doubt there are plenty of positions that don't have this mentality/strain/etc and if you wanted to walk out at 37.5 then nobody is going to stop you once your current job is done. On your covid on a death certificate, thats been debunked and thoroughly I'd suggest. Excess deaths is the giveaway here. If you live with a condition that is unlikely to kill you next month and then you get covid and die, covid killed you. Not covid per se but organ failure from bilat pneumonia from covid infection exacerbated by pre existing medical condition or similar. What is written on the death certificate is not 'covid' like people seem to think, its a lot more than that. And if its not suspected as playing a part in the death, its not included as a cause. If you have covid and get hit by a bus, the bus killed you, the covid wouldn't be a cause. As I say though, look at excess deaths. Simple as that really. If covid didn't play a part, we wouldn't see them as excess.
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Post by baggins on Mar 7, 2021 19:26:51 GMT
I know several nurses, who are working long hours, 16/17 hours a day, for 6 days a week with some doing the extra 7th day overtime shift, who have struggled for ppe right from the beginning although it's much better now, and the virus has killed 120,000 people. If you still see that as "bullshit" as you so nicely put it, that's your problem. I hope you see this as me writing something constructive for the first time in my life? Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. Hi chap, for hours worked, I think it's fairly safe to assume that with 50,000 nurses short, a deadly pandemic over a year in action here in the UK, a strict abide by the 48 hour working week went out the window a long time ago. As for figures on deaths, recoveries, how many die normally through flu etc, I really couldn't point you in the same direction as my searches, Google, Worldometer etc. Decide if you trust them or not, who really knows? Anyway, I'm off, darts is on.
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 7, 2021 19:37:42 GMT
Amazing - anyone that challenges the resident gang ( we’ve got another one !!! ) gets shouted down. The poster that has to have his posting edited by a mod and has no challenge - sums this pitiful site up - you’re pathetic the lot of you. I try to be constructive and get into some sort of debate which you find difficult because I don't have your agenda and I get shouted down by the usual suspects. I thought I’d come back and give it a go - but no, a waste of time.- and strangely I’m talking from experience - most of you lot ar’nt. This post sums it up perfectly. Far left loonies living in la la land that will shoot down anyone with a different opinion. Been a long time reader on this forum and rarely comment because of this. Just isnt worth wasting my time responding to idiotic comments like 'we have another one's Sadly its damaging for the forum as I'm sure theres plenty of others who feel the same.
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Post by blueridge on Mar 7, 2021 19:39:49 GMT
I know several nurses, who are working long hours, 16/17 hours a day, for 6 days a week with some doing the extra 7th day overtime shift, who have struggled for ppe right from the beginning although it's much better now, and the virus has killed 120,000 people. If you still see that as "bullshit" as you so nicely put it, that's your problem. I hope you see this as me writing something constructive for the first time in my life? Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. francegas I have thought for a long while we are not comparing “apples with apples” in reporting UK deaths for COVID with other countries. I’ll take a snapshot of ONS figures which are not just a unique trend for the particular week I’m showing: At week ending 19th February 2021 the total number of deaths recorded in the UK was 15,577, which was 2,774 deaths higher than the previous 5 year average for this particular week, however there were 4,447 deaths attributed to COVID - I’m struggling to reconcile this. There are also deaths showing in end of life hospice care attributed to COVID - these are also on the ONS site somewhere - the figure I recall was around 3.5k without looking it up again. francegas you mention pneumonia - recently Capt Tom was admitted to hospital with pneumonia for palliative care - but the published cause of death was COVID - I find it all rather odd and I struggling to understand where the Government are coming from in their way of reporting COVID deaths.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 7, 2021 20:25:18 GMT
Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. francegas I have thought for a long while we are not comparing “apples with apples” in reporting UK deaths for COVID with other countries. I’ll take a snapshot of ONS figures which are not just a unique trend for the particular week I’m showing: At week ending 19th February 2021 the total number of deaths recorded in the UK was 15,577, which was 2,774 deaths higher than the previous 5 year average for this particular week, however there were 4,447 deaths attributed to COVID - I’m struggling to reconcile this. There are also deaths showing in end of life hospice care attributed to COVID - these are also on the ONS site somewhere - the figure I recall was around 3.5k without looking it up again. francegas you mention pneumonia - recently Capt Tom was admitted to hospital with pneumonia for palliative care - but the published cause of death was COVID - I find it all rather odd and I struggling to understand where the Government are coming from in their way of reporting COVID deaths. Well people didnt die of flu thus year which helps given the are locked up. Its a complex picture and you shouldn't expect the numbers to match exactly. That's my frustration really with all of this which is trying to apply simple logic to complex systems. It doesn't mean we are doing anything differently to anywhere else from a reporting point of view, if your stats are correct, it just has wider reaching complexities and variables at work. Out of interest what do you think was written on Captain Toms death certificate? I can guarentee it didn't simply say 'covid'.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 7, 2021 20:29:30 GMT
Amazing - anyone that challenges the resident gang ( we’ve got another one !!! ) gets shouted down. The poster that has to have his posting edited by a mod and has no challenge - sums this pitiful site up - you’re pathetic the lot of you. I try to be constructive and get into some sort of debate which you find difficult because I don't have your agenda and I get shouted down by the usual suspects. I thought I’d come back and give it a go - but no, a waste of time.- and strangely I’m talking from experience - most of you lot ar’nt. This post sums it up perfectly. Far left loonies living in la la land that will shoot down anyone with a different opinion. Been a long time reader on this forum and rarely comment because of this. Just isnt worth wasting my time responding to idiotic comments like 'we have another one's Sadly its damaging for the forum as I'm sure theres plenty of others who feel the same. What a pleasant post. Cheers for that.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2021 20:36:56 GMT
I know several nurses, who are working long hours, 16/17 hours a day, for 6 days a week with some doing the extra 7th day overtime shift, who have struggled for ppe right from the beginning although it's much better now, and the virus has killed 120,000 people. If you still see that as "bullshit" as you so nicely put it, that's your problem. I hope you see this as me writing something constructive for the first time in my life? Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. Not sure about year on year, figures fluctuate quite a lot. According to the ONS the latest figures up to August were: Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020That is, of course, not including this winter. This article in the Independent suggests the current lockdown has also suppressed flu: www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html%3famp
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2021 20:37:01 GMT
This post sums it up perfectly. Far left loonies living in la la land that will shoot down anyone with a different opinion. Been a long time reader on this forum and rarely comment because of this. Just isnt worth wasting my time responding to idiotic comments like 'we have another one's Sadly its damaging for the forum as I'm sure theres plenty of others who feel the same. What a pleasant post. Cheers for that. Its becoming a theme of anyone on the right playing a victim in here, tbh. They say they want discussion, but put in their posts "all you others gang up on me" or complain about two people replying to them as "ganging up". Basically, they may post what they like (and they can), but if you reply with an opposing view or want to debate a point - you're ganging up on them. Work that one out.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2021 20:40:37 GMT
Amazing - anyone that challenges the resident gang ( we’ve got another one !!! ) gets shouted down. The poster that has to have his posting edited by a mod and has no challenge - sums this pitiful site up - you’re pathetic the lot of you. I try to be constructive and get into some sort of debate which you find difficult because I don't have your agenda and I get shouted down by the usual suspects. I thought I’d come back and give it a go - but no, a waste of time.- and strangely I’m talking from experience - most of you lot ar’nt. This post sums it up perfectly. Far left loonies living in la la land that will shoot down anyone with a different opinion. Been a long time reader on this forum and rarely comment because of this. Just isnt worth wasting my time responding to idiotic comments like 'we have another one's Sadly its damaging for the forum as I'm sure theres plenty of others who feel the same. As a long time poster on here I'd suggest a lot is born out of frustration, I've had a few myself. Labelling people as 'far left' or 'far right' doesn't help whatever your views.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2021 20:43:15 GMT
It was actually discussed in here a while ago about deaths being counted correctly. The consensus reached (with FranceGas agreeing) was the excess deaths was the best way to measure how well a country has dealt with the pandemic. The figures speak for themselves:
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2021 20:50:41 GMT
Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. Hi chap, for hours worked, I think it's fairly safe to assume that with 50,000 nurses short, a deadly pandemic over a year in action here in the UK, a strict abide by the 48 hour working week went out the window a long time ago. As for figures on deaths, recoveries, how many die normally through flu etc, I really couldn't point you in the same direction as my searches, Google, Worldometer etc. Decide if you trust them or not, who really knows? Anyway, I'm off, darts is on. The 48 hour argument doesn't hold water tbh as it just means you can't contractually work more than 48 hours. Back in my retail days, I would regularly work 50+ hours a week as we were often short staffed or I wanted the overtime. Some times it was my decision, some times I just had to do so. No one came knocking and no letters were sent from the government - it's pretty common that people work more than 48 hours, what did people in here actually think that when it got to 48 hours, people are dying and the ward is overrun that the doctor turned round and said, "Sorry guys, got to go - can't work more than 48 hours, it's the law. Have a good weekend"?
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 7, 2021 20:52:34 GMT
Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. What is it with all this “ ganging up on me “ nonsense? That’s you , oldgas & Blueridge now . Says more about you than it does us.
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 7, 2021 20:56:27 GMT
What a pleasant post. Cheers for that. Its becoming a theme of anyone on the right playing a victim in here, tbh. They say they want discussion, but put in their posts "all you others gang up on me" or complain about two people replying to them as "ganging up". Basically, they may post what they like (and they can), but if you reply with an opposing view or want to debate a point - you're ganging up on them. Work that one out. I'm more than happy to have a balanced debate with different views but how does 'we have another one' offer anything? As mentioned isnt worth waste any time on it.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 7, 2021 20:57:04 GMT
What is it with all this “ ganging up on me “ nonsense? That’s you , oldgas & Blueridge now . Says more about you than it does us. 'us'. Your 'gang' you mean then? Just post what you want. We all have quite different views even if you are quite happy to label us all the loony left.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 7, 2021 20:58:56 GMT
Hi Bags. Let me start by saying I'm not accusing you of BS. I would however agree with Blueridge. According to the RCN the maximum hours per week is 48. You can however work more if you choose to by personally writing to your employer to opt out. Your employer can not enforce you to work longer hours. Also if you work a 12 hour shift you have to have to have a break of 11 hours before the next 12 hour shift, so there's not enough hours in a week to work 16/17 hours per day with a break of 11 hours in between. So I would say the nurses you know must be in the minority and not the norm. Perhaps OB can confirm this. In respect of deaths I still dispute the UK figures. And before Yatton and all you others gang up on me let me explain. 1. Can anyone tell me the death figures over the winter for flu deaths. 2. Can you give me the figures for pneumonia deaths over 2020 compared to previous years. My wife and I today had lunch with our French friends who work in the health service. Of course the subject of covid came up and they could not believe that we record a covid death for any reason if someone had a positive covid test in the past 28 days. As in their words is it any wonder the UK has one of if not the highest death rates in the world. They also said if France used the same measure their declared death would be far higher than the UK. Can I ask OB there is a statement that many men die with prostate cancer as opposed to from Prostate cancer. So is it right that many death certificates state the cause of death as covid when in effect many people die from other causes but may have a positive covid test in past 28 days. This has been highlighted last week when numerous reports stated many families are fighting to get loved ones death certificates changed from the cause of death from covid to the actual cause of death. This is in no way supportive of the government I'm just trying to clarify what peoples views are. Tin hat on awaiting the replies. Not sure about year on year, figures fluctuate quite a lot. According to the ONS the latest figures up to August were: Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020That is, of course, not including this winter. This article in the Independent suggests the current lockdown has also suppressed flu: www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html%3fampDelivered with far more eloquence than I can muster these days as per usual stu
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2021 20:58:58 GMT
Its becoming a theme of anyone on the right playing a victim in here, tbh. They say they want discussion, but put in their posts "all you others gang up on me" or complain about two people replying to them as "ganging up". Basically, they may post what they like (and they can), but if you reply with an opposing view or want to debate a point - you're ganging up on them. Work that one out. I'm more than happy to have a balanced debate with different views but how does 'we have another one' offer anything? As mentioned isnt worth waste any time on it. Are you? Seems to me that you pick one post and then sling insults at anyone not on the right of being "far left loonies". I agree it doesn't add much to debate, but you seem to be wasting your time focusing on the post rather than entering actual debate, which is kinda ironic from what you've just said.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2021 21:05:06 GMT
What is it with all this “ ganging up on me “ nonsense? That’s you , oldgas & Blueridge now . Says more about you than it does us. You’ll have to explain ?
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