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Post by blueridge on Mar 9, 2021 12:06:18 GMT
Really don't see the need to apologise francegas - the original poster didn't mention Tory voters - the aim was at Tory politicians. Even Baggins who I wouldn't see as a Tory voter agrees that Inheritance Tax should be abolished - maybe a tax that will impact on him at some time - so its not exclusive to Tory voters. Not sure if I'm just drunk or something but Grover literally said, "It's embarrassing that no Tory voters seem to have issues with the crony capitalism either." Again, unless I misunderstood I didn't think the point was specifically about inheritance tax, but rather about ignoring other issues that many/most would condemn, unless if effects you personally. I also agree that inheritance tax should be abolished or at least raise the threshold considerably, I'm not sure it's a specific Tory thought process though. Gassy - francegas's response was to a comment by Grover "Tory politicians can do what they like as long as they don't touch my families stuff" which I responded to>
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 12:10:37 GMT
Not sure if I'm just drunk or something but Grover literally said, "It's embarrassing that no Tory voters seem to have issues with the crony capitalism either." Again, unless I misunderstood I didn't think the point was specifically about inheritance tax, but rather about ignoring other issues that many/most would condemn, unless if effects you personally. I also agree that inheritance tax should be abolished or at least raise the threshold considerably, I'm not sure it's a specific Tory thought process though. Gassy - francegas's response was to a comment by Grover "Tory politicians can do what they like as long as they don't touch my families stuff" which I responded to> Well there you have it, I must be drunk then
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 9, 2021 12:17:51 GMT
I'm a little worried about the schools. Transmission increases are more acceptable now with less translation in to mortality due to vaccines, I understand that. Surely though the more transmission the more likely a mutation that could counter that?
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Post by baggins on Mar 9, 2021 13:19:29 GMT
Gassy - francegas's response was to a comment by Grover "Tory politicians can do what they like as long as they don't touch my families stuff" which I responded to> Well there you have it, I must be drunk then Rovers on later, probably for the best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 14:24:08 GMT
It's embarrassing that no Tory voters seem to have issues with the crony capitalism either. Seems the deal is - "Tory politicians can do what they like, as long as they don't touch my families stuff." I'm assuming Grover that your last paragraph is a dig at me because I believe inheritance tax to be unjust as the money has already been taxed at 20% or more and then when you pass away it's taxed at a further 40%. What is so wrong with someone who has worked hard all their life, paid all their taxes be it standard rate or higher tax being able to pass on what they have to their children without it being taxed a second time. Why is that so wrong ?? You don't have to be a Tory voter to have that view as when it was discussed I believe it was Baggins who agreed with me, and he's certainly no Tory voter! It seems certain individuals from the left really are bitter and jealous of anyone who has something. What was it Maggie Thatcher said about socialism...... "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" I really don't get the confusion. People vote to the right because it's the politics of self interest. People vote to the left because it's the politics of the people. All I was saying was that Tory voters seem perfectly fine with the way the last 12 months has been handled.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 15:39:03 GMT
I'm a little worried about the schools. Transmission increases are more acceptable now with less translation in to mortality due to vaccines, I understand that. Surely though the more transmission the more likely a mutation that could counter that? Problem is OB, what’s the solution?
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Post by baggins on Mar 9, 2021 15:41:32 GMT
I'm a little worried about the schools. Transmission increases are more acceptable now with less translation in to mortality due to vaccines, I understand that. Surely though the more transmission the more likely a mutation that could counter that? Problem is OB, what’s the solution? Unless someone finds a mega vaccine that will wipe it out 100%, this is as good as it gets.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 9, 2021 21:33:06 GMT
See EU have claimed that the UK has a total ban on any vaccine made in the UK being available for export. Outrageous attempt at deflection for their ongoing f..k up over their vaccine roll out. Raab has summoned EU representative to FO tomorrow for dressing down,they have screwed up big time which is bad news for us as the German Health Minister said it's a complete shitfest!!
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 21:38:10 GMT
See EU have claimed that the UK has a total ban on any vaccine made in the UK being available for export. Outrageous attempt at deflection for their ongoing f..k up over their vaccine roll out. Raab has summoned EU representative to FO tomorrow for dressing down,they have screwed up big time which is bad news for us as the German Health Minister said it's a complete shitfest!! Where did they say that? I thought it was getting better now? When I say that, the only info I have to go from is that my friend told me Slovakia is getting 800k vaccines from the US/EU/UK companies any day now (for a population of 5m is pretty decent)
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 9, 2021 21:42:14 GMT
See EU have claimed that the UK has a total ban on any vaccine made in the UK being available for export. Outrageous attempt at deflection for their ongoing f..k up over their vaccine roll out. Raab has summoned EU representative to FO tomorrow for dressing down,they have screwed up big time which is bad news for us as the German Health Minister said it's a complete shitfest!! Where did they say that? I thought it was getting better now? When I say that, the only info I have to go from is that my friend told me Slovakia is getting 800k vaccines from the US/EU/UK companies any day now (for a population of 5m is pretty decent) It's on the BBC website re the false claim,the shitfest comment was in the Politico.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 21:45:49 GMT
Where did they say that? I thought it was getting better now? When I say that, the only info I have to go from is that my friend told me Slovakia is getting 800k vaccines from the US/EU/UK companies any day now (for a population of 5m is pretty decent) It's on the BBC website re the false claim,the shitfest comment was in the Politico. Just read it, what an absolute bellend.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 9, 2021 21:49:57 GMT
It's on the BBC website re the false claim,the shitfest comment was in the Politico. Just read it, what an absolute bellend. Aye not sure how that helps the post Brexit relationship,we deserve each other 😆😆
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 10, 2021 13:52:51 GMT
I'm a little worried about the schools. Transmission increases are more acceptable now with less translation in to mortality due to vaccines, I understand that. Surely though the more transmission the more likely a mutation that could counter that? Problem is OB, what’s the solution? I honestly don't know.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 13:56:40 GMT
Problem is OB, what’s the solution? I honestly don't know. The surge of cases in Europe is very concerning,Italy up to 20k cases yesterday,the vaccination failure has unfortunately delivered a huge problem for individual Country's.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 10, 2021 14:03:28 GMT
The surge of cases in Europe is very concerning,Italy up to 20k cases yesterday,the vaccination failure has unfortunately delivered a huge problem for individual Country's. Agreed. The handling of vaccination in Europe has been diabolical in my opinion. From procurement down to rhetoric and even the effect on confidence levels, almost entirely instigated by politicians too. I suspect their way back will be longer than ours and we are at least managing some redemption with our vaccine rollout. I wouldnt be surprised to see us drop down in the league tables for mortality if it carries on. That said, you have the golden countries with such low transmission that vaccine issues aren't really causing them concern - that's ideally where you want to be but so so, we are where we are and at least we are making a good go of it now.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 14:07:44 GMT
The surge of cases in Europe is very concerning,Italy up to 20k cases yesterday,the vaccination failure has unfortunately delivered a huge problem for individual Country's. Agreed. The handling of vaccination in Europe has been diabolical in my opinion. From procurement down to rhetoric and even the effect on confidence levels, almost entirely instigated by politicians too. I suspect their way back will be longer than ours and we are at least managing some redemption with our vaccine rollout. I wouldnt be surprised to see us drop down in the league tables for mortality if it carries on. That said, you have the golden countries with such low transmission that vaccine issues aren't really causing them concern - that's ideally where you want to be but so so, we are where we are and at least we are making a good go of it now. Agreed, how do you see us managing this in the medium term.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 10, 2021 14:18:11 GMT
Agreed. The handling of vaccination in Europe has been diabolical in my opinion. From procurement down to rhetoric and even the effect on confidence levels, almost entirely instigated by politicians too. I suspect their way back will be longer than ours and we are at least managing some redemption with our vaccine rollout. I wouldnt be surprised to see us drop down in the league tables for mortality if it carries on. That said, you have the golden countries with such low transmission that vaccine issues aren't really causing them concern - that's ideally where you want to be but so so, we are where we are and at least we are making a good go of it now. Agreed, how do you see us managing this in the medium term. Up and down for a while I suspect. They are desperate to introduce regional changes rather than national ones so I suspect we could see that re-emerge. There will be another wave in the next couple of months most likely but perhaps more modest and one that hopefully won't translate in to hospitalisations and deaths. That might be what pushes them in to regional strategies. Its almost inevitable with schools and workplaces opening up. The border control and testing will need to remain for some time until everyone else catches up and mutation chance reduces as transmission drops globally. There's no guarentee of that so vaccine passports and border tests etc are inevitable I think for the next 12 months at least. If there's a difficult strain that emerges, its anyones game.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 14:22:09 GMT
I'm assuming Grover that your last paragraph is a dig at me because I believe inheritance tax to be unjust as the money has already been taxed at 20% or more and then when you pass away it's taxed at a further 40%. What is so wrong with someone who has worked hard all their life, paid all their taxes be it standard rate or higher tax being able to pass on what they have to their children without it being taxed a second time. Why is that so wrong ?? You don't have to be a Tory voter to have that view as when it was discussed I believe it was Baggins who agreed with me, and he's certainly no Tory voter! It seems certain individuals from the left really are bitter and jealous of anyone who has something. What was it Maggie Thatcher said about socialism...... "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" I really don't get the confusion. People vote to the right because it's the politics of self interest. People vote to the left because it's the politics of the people. All I was saying was that Tory voters seem perfectly fine with the way the last 12 months has been handled. Is your first paragraph substantiated by anything or just your opinion.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 14:25:41 GMT
Agreed, how do you see us managing this in the medium term. Up and down for a while I suspect. They are desperate to introduce regional changes rather than national ones so I suspect we could see that re-emerge. There will be another wave in the next couple of months most likely but perhaps more modest and one that hopefully won't translate in to hospitalisations and deaths. That might be what pushes them in to regional strategies. Its almost inevitable with schools and workplaces opening up. The border control and testing will need to remain for some time until everyone else catches up and mutation chance reduces as transmission drops globally. There's no guarentee of that so vaccine passports and border tests etc are inevitable I think for the next 12 months at least. If there's a difficult strain that emerges, its anyones game. Thanks for that,it concerns me that we will see creeping complacency because of the vaccine which could bite us in the bump.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 10, 2021 14:44:35 GMT
Up and down for a while I suspect. They are desperate to introduce regional changes rather than national ones so I suspect we could see that re-emerge. There will be another wave in the next couple of months most likely but perhaps more modest and one that hopefully won't translate in to hospitalisations and deaths. That might be what pushes them in to regional strategies. Its almost inevitable with schools and workplaces opening up. The border control and testing will need to remain for some time until everyone else catches up and mutation chance reduces as transmission drops globally. There's no guarentee of that so vaccine passports and border tests etc are inevitable I think for the next 12 months at least. If there's a difficult strain that emerges, its anyones game. Thanks for that,it concerns me that we will see creeping complacency because of the vaccine which could bite us in the bump. Far smarter people than me will be advising about psychologically driven shift in behaviours. Just hoping they pay heed.
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