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Post by yattongas on Oct 15, 2021 21:44:11 GMT
Proper ventilation measures in schools , masks in indoor places , proof of vaccination to go to public events etc ? I’m all for going back to normal ASAP but if cases are high and still rising as we go into winter a few mitigating measures would help . I get it that everyone is thoroughly bored rigid with it but just because people have had enough doesn’t make it go away. A COVID jab doesn’t make you immune , it’s great but not full proof . Where do you think most transmission takes place? It’s not public transport or shops, it’s private homes, bars/clubs etc. Even if masks are effective, they wouldn’t be used where they would make a difference. Covid passports don’t do all that much when the vaccines aren’t great at stopping the transmission of delta. Wales/Scotland/NI have the measures you describe, and how are they doing? Worse than England for the most part. I’m sure if it was the other way around people would be using it as evidence to bring those measures in, but what’s your explanation now? While deaths are sad, 150 a day in a population of 68m isn’t that much, similar numbers to how many die a day from flu on average winter, for which no one bats an eyelid. Most of those deaths are unvaccinated, and now people have the choice to protect themselves, the rest of us shouldn’t have to change our lives to protect those who willingly accept the risk. You can nosh yourself off to all the fear porn you can find every day, but for the rest of us life goes on and this **** is over. Ah right , you’re just a selfish twat . Cool 😎 Ps you’re wrong on so many levels with your ‘facts’ . Is it worth my time and effort educating an idiot ? Nope . Have a good day . |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 15, 2021 21:56:39 GMT
Yay ! It’s over 🙄
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 15, 2021 23:22:06 GMT
Where do you think most transmission takes place? It’s not public transport or shops, it’s private homes, bars/clubs etc. Even if masks are effective, they wouldn’t be used where they would make a difference. Covid passports don’t do all that much when the vaccines aren’t great at stopping the transmission of delta. Wales/Scotland/NI have the measures you describe, and how are they doing? Worse than England for the most part. I’m sure if it was the other way around people would be using it as evidence to bring those measures in, but what’s your explanation now? While deaths are sad, 150 a day in a population of 68m isn’t that much, similar numbers to how many die a day from flu on average winter, for which no one bats an eyelid. Most of those deaths are unvaccinated, and now people have the choice to protect themselves, the rest of us shouldn’t have to change our lives to protect those who willingly accept the risk. You can nosh yourself off to all the fear porn you can find every day, but for the rest of us life goes on and this **** is over. Ah right , you’re just a selfish twat . Cool 😎 Ps you’re wrong on so many levels with your ‘facts’ . Is it worth my time and effort educating an idiot ? Nope . Have a good day . . I’m wrong yet you don’t (/can’t) tell me why, how convenient. No, your time is much better spent watching the news/Twitter all day and posting endless negativity. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 16, 2021 5:30:22 GMT
Ah right , you’re just a selfish twat . Cool 😎 Ps you’re wrong on so many levels with your ‘facts’ . Is it worth my time and effort educating an idiot ? Nope . Have a good day . . I’m wrong yet you don’t (/can’t) tell me why, how convenient. No, your time is much better spent watching the news/Twitter all day and posting endless negativity. 🙄 Ok , here’s your first fact destroyed. “ it’s no worse than flu” A *bad* flu season will see 30,000 deaths . We’re on approx 150 deaths a day , or 1050 a week ….. 54.6k a year . |
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Post by baggins on Oct 16, 2021 5:31:46 GMT
Proper ventilation measures in schools , masks in indoor places , proof of vaccination to go to public events etc ? I’m all for going back to normal ASAP but if cases are high and still rising as we go into winter a few mitigating measures would help . I get it that everyone is thoroughly bored rigid with it but just because people have had enough doesn’t make it go away. A COVID jab doesn’t make you immune , it’s great but not full proof . 150 aren't dying of Covid everyday. That's the daily death count for everyone after testing positive within the last 28 days. Ventilation in Schools? Good luck with that as Winter hits. Masks? Great if you've got Covid to prevent you spreading it to others, but not much else. Correct, jabs don't you immune, but until the whole virus is eradicated, which won't be for some time, if ever, get the vaccine, get on with it. |
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 16, 2021 6:18:26 GMT
. I’m wrong yet you don’t (/can’t) tell me why, how convenient. No, your time is much better spent watching the news/Twitter all day and posting endless negativity. 🙄 Ok , here’s your first fact destroyed. “ it’s no worse than flu” A *bad* flu season will see 30,000 deaths . We’re on approx 150 deaths a day , or 1050 a week ….. 54.6k a year . If you're going to scream BS at least read what I wrote properly. Generally, when you use quotation marks it's to quote something that's actually been written. I did not say it's no worse than flu, and I said that its a similar numbers as die from flu in WINTER, which is 90 days where the majority of the fly deaths occur at about 150 a day. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 16, 2021 8:11:36 GMT
🙄 Ok , here’s your first fact destroyed. “ it’s no worse than flu” A *bad* flu season will see 30,000 deaths . We’re on approx 150 deaths a day , or 1050 a week ….. 54.6k a year . If you're going to scream BS at least read what I wrote properly. Generally, when you use quotation marks it's to quote something that's actually been written. I did not say it's no worse than flu, and I said that its a similar numbers as die from flu in WINTER, which is 90 days where the majority of the fly deaths occur at about 150 a day. You’re quite an angry man aren’t you ? 😂 You said flu is similar deaths numbers to covid . It isn’t . We’re not even into winter yet . Like I said , really can’t be arsed to go back & forth with idiots . Have a good day . |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 16, 2021 8:19:02 GMT
Proper ventilation measures in schools , masks in indoor places , proof of vaccination to go to public events etc ? I’m all for going back to normal ASAP but if cases are high and still rising as we go into winter a few mitigating measures would help . I get it that everyone is thoroughly bored rigid with it but just because people have had enough doesn’t make it go away. A COVID jab doesn’t make you immune , it’s great but not full proof . 150 aren't dying of Covid everyday. That's the daily death count for everyone after testing positive within the last 28 days. Ventilation in Schools? Good luck with that as Winter hits. Masks? Great if you've got Covid to prevent you spreading it to others, but not much else. Correct, jabs don't you immune, but until the whole virus is eradicated, which won't be for some time, if ever, get the vaccine, get on with it. Don’t understand your point that 150 aren’t dying a day from covid. Are they just inventing the numbers ? A death by covid is a death by covid , that’s how it is recorded. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 16, 2021 8:26:00 GMT
150 aren't dying of Covid everyday. That's the daily death count for everyone after testing positive within the last 28 days. Ventilation in Schools? Good luck with that as Winter hits. Masks? Great if you've got Covid to prevent you spreading it to others, but not much else. Correct, jabs don't you immune, but until the whole virus is eradicated, which won't be for some time, if ever, get the vaccine, get on with it. Don’t understand your point that 150 aren’t dying a day from covid. Are they just inventing the numbers ? A death by covid is a death by covid , that’s how it is recorded. That's the problem. Even when the figure appears on BBC Evening News, it states, 150 deaths today, after testing positive within the last 28 days. It doesn't stipulate what they've died of. This came up months ago that the figures weren't accurate as they included all deaths as long as you've had covid within a month. I get the ventilation issue, but there's no way you can expect any School to open all it's windows and doors when it's freezing cold? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 16, 2021 8:54:08 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54599593Don’t understand your point that 150 aren’t dying a day from covid. Are they just inventing the numbers ? A death by covid is a death by covid , that’s how it is recorded. That's the problem. Even when the figure appears on BBC Evening News, it states, 150 deaths today, after testing positive within the last 28 days. It doesn't stipulate what they've died of. This came up months ago that the figures weren't accurate as they included all deaths as long as you've had covid within a month. I get the ventilation issue, but there's no way you can expect any School to open all it's windows and doors when it's freezing cold? heres the number where it was recorded on death certificate by a Doctor. coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths |
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Post by oldie on Oct 16, 2021 9:50:12 GMT
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Post by baggins on Oct 16, 2021 10:05:09 GMT
That's the problem. Even when the figure appears on BBC Evening News, it states, 150 deaths today, after testing positive within the last 28 days. It doesn't stipulate what they've died of. This came up months ago that the figures weren't accurate as they included all deaths as long as you've had covid within a month. I get the ventilation issue, but there's no way you can expect any School to open all it's windows and doors when it's freezing cold? heres the number where it was recorded on death certificate by a Doctor. coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deathsI get that, but I'm sure there were problems with deaths which were not due to Covid, still having Covid on the death certificate because you'd tested positive within the 28 day period? |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 16, 2021 10:06:09 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54599593Don’t understand your point that 150 aren’t dying a day from covid. Are they just inventing the numbers ? A death by covid is a death by covid , that’s how it is recorded. That's the problem. Even when the figure appears on BBC Evening News, it states, 150 deaths today, after testing positive within the last 28 days. It doesn't stipulate what they've died of. This came up months ago that the figures weren't accurate as they included all deaths as long as you've had covid within a month. I get the ventilation issue, but there's no way you can expect any School to open all it's windows and doors when it's freezing cold? There’s a bit more that can be done for ventilation than just opening a window Bags . |
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Post by baggins on Oct 16, 2021 10:47:50 GMT
That's the problem. Even when the figure appears on BBC Evening News, it states, 150 deaths today, after testing positive within the last 28 days. It doesn't stipulate what they've died of. This came up months ago that the figures weren't accurate as they included all deaths as long as you've had covid within a month. I get the ventilation issue, but there's no way you can expect any School to open all it's windows and doors when it's freezing cold? There’s a bit more that can be done for ventilation than just opening a window Bags . Any ventilation bringing in fresh air from outside is going to be cold in winter. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 16, 2021 10:49:41 GMT
I get that, but I'm sure there were problems with deaths which were not due to Covid, still having Covid on the death certificate because you'd tested positive within the 28 day period? Youd expect excess deaths to be neutral then if you think other causes killed them. I lost someone after the 28 day period. Not accounted for in the figures but got covid, developed pneumonia, struggled for 4 weeks and then suffocated. I see the flu argument a lot. Flu doesn't typically kill people, deaths are very low. Pneumonia on the back of it is what kills you and thats where the figures quoted above by others come from. It takes a while to die of covid typically. Get it, hospitalised after 10 days, a week on ICU, die. 28 days isn't far off really. The fact is that its worse than flu, kills more than flu (or did, at least, until vaccine rollout and will again as vaccine effectiveness dissipates with time) and you can't argue with the death certs. Deatg rates are likely also lower now because a lot of people are already dead. That said, I also believe you cannot fight nature. The whole idea was to buy time to allow for a vaccine and we have one and its pretty good. We will all get infected in the end. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 16, 2021 11:00:31 GMT
I get that, but I'm sure there were problems with deaths which were not due to Covid, still having Covid on the death certificate because you'd tested positive within the 28 day period? Youd expect excess deaths to be neutral then if you think other causes killed them. I lost someone after the 28 day period. Not accounted for in the figures but got covid, developed pneumonia, struggled for 4 weeks and then suffocated. I see the flu argument a lot. Flu doesn't typically kill people, deaths are very low. Pneumonia on the back of it is what kills you and thats where the figures quoted above by others come from. It takes a while to die of covid typically. Get it, hospitalised after 10 days, a week on ICU, die. 28 days isn't far off really. The fact is that its worse than flu, kills more than flu (or did, at least, until vaccine rollout and will again as vaccine effectiveness dissipates with time) and you can't argue with the death certs. Deatg rates are likely also lower now because a lot of people are already dead. That said, I also believe you cannot fight nature. The whole idea was to buy time to allow for a vaccine and we have one and its pretty good. We will all get infected in the end. I understand the flu v Covid argument and it's severity, but not where the death certificate states Covid when in fact you died of something else. Sorry to hear of your loss chap. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 16, 2021 11:58:56 GMT
Youd expect excess deaths to be neutral then if you think other causes killed them. I lost someone after the 28 day period. Not accounted for in the figures but got covid, developed pneumonia, struggled for 4 weeks and then suffocated. I see the flu argument a lot. Flu doesn't typically kill people, deaths are very low. Pneumonia on the back of it is what kills you and thats where the figures quoted above by others come from. It takes a while to die of covid typically. Get it, hospitalised after 10 days, a week on ICU, die. 28 days isn't far off really. The fact is that its worse than flu, kills more than flu (or did, at least, until vaccine rollout and will again as vaccine effectiveness dissipates with time) and you can't argue with the death certs. Deatg rates are likely also lower now because a lot of people are already dead. That said, I also believe you cannot fight nature. The whole idea was to buy time to allow for a vaccine and we have one and its pretty good. We will all get infected in the end. I understand the flu v Covid argument and it's severity, but not where the death certificate states Covid when in fact you died of something else. Sorry to hear of your loss chap. Death certificates wouldn't say covid where it wasn't a factor. You could probably do a search in this thread and find an old post of mine where I explain how they are formed. Might be of interest. And thanks, one of very many. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 16, 2021 12:03:55 GMT
I understand the flu v Covid argument and it's severity, but not where the death certificate states Covid when in fact you died of something else. Sorry to hear of your loss chap. Death certificates wouldn't say covid where it wasn't a factor. You could probably do a search in this thread and find an old post of mine where I explain how they are formed. Might be of interest. And thanks, one of very many. I probably won't do that, it is what it is, we all deal with it differently and get through it and back to normal as we see fit. Onwards, with health. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 7:12:50 GMT
statutory sick pay in the UK people happily vote for this, scummy behaviour if you ask me. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 18, 2021 18:48:27 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58954707Too much of the public think the pandemic is over and there’s no need for a third jab? 800k a week, who’ve had their first 2 doses, aren’t getting their 3rd dose. Extremely worrying, given the drop in effectiveness after 6 months with the delta variant. I have to say, I’d like to see more of a government push on the 3rd jab, there was a lot of strutting and chest posturing when we announced it but the government have been silent recently.
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