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Post by baggins on Oct 19, 2021 5:04:25 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58954707Too much of the public think the pandemic is over and there’s no need for a third jab? 800k a week, who’ve had their first 2 doses, aren’t getting their 3rd dose. Extremely worrying, given the drop in effectiveness after 6 months with the delta variant. I have to say, I’d like to see more of a government push on the 3rd jab, there was a lot of strutting and chest posturing when we announced it but the government have been silent recently. Father had his Flu jab in one arm, 3rd Jab in the other a couple of weeks ago. I'll be having my 3rd when offered that's for sure. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 19, 2021 15:35:14 GMT
I still think we should be keeping some of the precautions through the winter. I've had a Department of Health letter saying that I ought to be getting my booster and to contact my GP about it.
Today's figures courtesy of Sky:
"The UK has recorded 223 COVID-19 deaths within 28 days of a positive test in the biggest daily jump since early March.
A further 43,738 coronavirus cases were also recorded.
It is the biggest jump in daily deaths from COVID-19 since 9 March, when 231 people died within 28 days of a positive test.
And it comes after the UK reported 49,156 cases of COVID-19 on Monday - the highest number since 17 July when 54,674 cases were recorded.
On Monday the UK also reported 45 deaths within 28 days of a positive test."
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Post by baggins on Oct 20, 2021 6:16:32 GMT
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Post by francegas on Oct 20, 2021 7:11:15 GMT
Just wondering why Romania and Bulgaria (both european countries) are not included on the graph? Could it be that if they were their cases per million of population lately would be far exceeding those in the UK. |
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Post by francegas on Oct 20, 2021 7:34:59 GMT
Just another question.
What are the ICU bed occupancy rates across Europe. It's a genuine question as I cant find them.
It was reported the UK rate is 17% I know France is 21% but not the others.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2021 8:27:53 GMT
Just wondering why Romania and Bulgaria (both european countries) are not included on the graph? Could it be that if they were their cases per million of population lately would be far exceeding those in the UK. Romania 19k Bulgaria 6k Maybe it’s just Western Europe . I’d hope & expect us to be much much better than the old Eastern Europe countries, wouldn’t you ? |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Oct 20, 2021 9:46:47 GMT
I see reports suggesting that large percentage of cases are amongst school kids. I believe the UK was far too slow to approve and then roll out vaccinations for over 12's. The government bang on about their world class vaccination programme but when it came to vaccinating teenagers, they have been miles behind other countries.
I don't think in the UK you will ever get restrictions such as only being allowed in restaurants, big events, to travel back without quarantine only if you're vaccinated, masks indoors etc as the uproar and protests would be massive. However, I think this does make a big difference in many other countries.
One report talking about waning immunity and whilst I can see how that's possible, I just think its being used as an excuse. For example, here in Qatar, the majority of the population over the age of 12 had been double vaccinated by early summer. So your talking 6-9 months since the most adults had their second dose and there is no sign of waning immunity.
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Post by francegas on Oct 20, 2021 9:51:12 GMT
Just wondering why Romania and Bulgaria (both european countries) are not included on the graph? Could it be that if they were their cases per million of population lately would be far exceeding those in the UK. Romania 19k Bulgaria 6k Maybe it’s just Western Europe . I’d hope & expect us to be much much better than the old Eastern Europe countries, wouldn’t you ? Based on yesterday's figures of cases per million of population.... UK.........640 Romania....992 Bulgaria...729 Or maybe they're using figures lower than the UK . Wonder why ? Why would you expect the UK to be doing better than "Old Eastern European Countries " baring in mind both these countries have been members of the EU for the past 15 years. It also states on the graph " Number of confirmed cases is lower than the number of actual cases, the main reason for that is limited testing" Baring in mind the UK has undertaken more tests than the 3 biggest countries on that graph namely Germany, France and Italy put together and over 100 million more tests than all the others put together. So could there be a small element of truth in what I've previously said "that during a pandemic the more testing you do the more chance you have of positive results" |
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Post by oldie on Oct 20, 2021 9:57:41 GMT
Romania 19k Bulgaria 6k Maybe it’s just Western Europe . I’d hope & expect us to be much much better than the old Eastern Europe countries, wouldn’t you ? Based on yesterday's figures of cases per million of population.... UK.........640 Romania....992 Bulgaria...729 Or maybe they're using figures lower than the UK . Wonder why ? Why would you expect the UK to be doing better than "Old Eastern European Countries " baring in mind both these countries have been members of the EU for the past 15 years. It also states on the graph " Number of confirmed cases is lower than the number of actual cases, the main reason for that is limited testing" Baring in mind the UK has undertaken more tests than the 3 biggest countries on that graph namely Germany, France and Italy put together and over 100 million more tests than all the others put together. So could there be a small element of truth in what I've previously said "that during a pandemic the more testing you do the more chance you have of positive results" On the last bit, of course. What are the excess deaths? |
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Post by baggins on Oct 20, 2021 10:05:45 GMT
Doesn't help the South West that 43,000 people were told they had tested negative when in fact they were positive, so went about their daily lives unknowingly spreading it.
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Post by francegas on Oct 20, 2021 10:08:38 GMT
Based on yesterday's figures of cases per million of population.... UK.........640 Romania....992 Bulgaria...729 Or maybe they're using figures lower than the UK . Wonder why ? Why would you expect the UK to be doing better than "Old Eastern European Countries " baring in mind both these countries have been members of the EU for the past 15 years. It also states on the graph " Number of confirmed cases is lower than the number of actual cases, the main reason for that is limited testing" Baring in mind the UK has undertaken more tests than the 3 biggest countries on that graph namely Germany, France and Italy put together and over 100 million more tests than all the others put together. So could there be a small element of truth in what I've previously said "that during a pandemic the more testing you do the more chance you have of positive results" On the last bit, of course. What are the excess deaths? Thank you Oldie for agreeing with the last bit. When I've previously stated that all I've received is disagreement. In respect of excess deaths I have no idea. I did previously ask but no one was able to come up with figures. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2021 10:22:08 GMT
Romania 19k Bulgaria 6k Maybe it’s just Western Europe . I’d hope & expect us to be much much better than the old Eastern Europe countries, wouldn’t you ? Based on yesterday's figures of cases per million of population.... UK.........640 Romania....992 Bulgaria...729 Or maybe they're using figures lower than the UK . Wonder why ? Why would you expect the UK to be doing better than "Old Eastern European Countries " baring in mind both these countries have been members of the EU for the past 15 years. It also states on the graph " Number of confirmed cases is lower than the number of actual cases, the main reason for that is limited testing" Baring in mind the UK has undertaken more tests than the 3 biggest countries on that graph namely Germany, France and Italy put together and over 100 million more tests than all the others put together. So could there be a small element of truth in what I've previously said "that during a pandemic the more testing you do the more chance you have of positive results" This is hard work 😓 We’ve tested more because more people think they might have covid , so more people go for a test . As for the Eastern European countries and their infrastructure etc I would of thought that was quite obvious. |
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Post by francegas on Oct 20, 2021 10:31:30 GMT
Doesn't help the South West that 43,000 people were told they had tested negative when in fact they were positive, so went about their daily lives unknowingly spreading it. I agree with you Bags but how is that the Governments fault ? baring in mind the "Technical issues" which gave incorrect results were at a "private" laboratory in Wolverhampton. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 20, 2021 10:32:56 GMT
Doesn't help the South West that 43,000 people were told they had tested negative when in fact they were positive, so went about their daily lives unknowingly spreading it. I agree with you Bags but how is that the Governments fault ? baring in mind the "Technical issues" which gave incorrect results were at a "private" laboratory in Wolverhampton. For once, I don't think it is the Govts fault. Wonder if heads will roll at the Laboratory? |
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Post by francegas on Oct 20, 2021 10:39:38 GMT
Based on yesterday's figures of cases per million of population.... UK.........640 Romania....992 Bulgaria...729 Or maybe they're using figures lower than the UK . Wonder why ? Why would you expect the UK to be doing better than "Old Eastern European Countries " baring in mind both these countries have been members of the EU for the past 15 years. It also states on the graph " Number of confirmed cases is lower than the number of actual cases, the main reason for that is limited testing" Baring in mind the UK has undertaken more tests than the 3 biggest countries on that graph namely Germany, France and Italy put together and over 100 million more tests than all the others put together. So could there be a small element of truth in what I've previously said "that during a pandemic the more testing you do the more chance you have of positive results" This is hard work 😓 We’ve tested more because more people think they might have covid , so more people go for a test . As for the Eastern European countries and their infrastructure etc I would of thought that was quite obvious. No it's not hard work Yatton. If we stopped the mass testing in schools confirmed cases would drop as not every person who tests positive has symptoms. So what your saying across Europe only people who have symptoms go for a test. Blimey the UK should take that stance and our numbers would drop significantly. Or maybe Covid has gone away across Europe except the UK. Disagree in respect of Romania and Bulgaria. They have been members of the EU for 15 years so have received sufficient funding to improve infrastructure etc than they had as the old Eastern Block Countries . |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2021 12:00:25 GMT
This is hard work 😓 We’ve tested more because more people think they might have covid , so more people go for a test . As for the Eastern European countries and their infrastructure etc I would of thought that was quite obvious. No it's not hard work Yatton. If we stopped the mass testing in schools confirmed cases would drop as not every person who tests positive has symptoms. So what your saying across Europe only people who have symptoms go for a test. Blimey the UK should take that stance and our numbers would drop significantly. Or maybe Covid has gone away across Europe except the UK. Disagree in respect of Romania and Bulgaria. They have been members of the EU for 15 years so have received sufficient funding to improve infrastructure etc than they had as the old Eastern Block Countries . Believe what you like mate but you’re wrong . |
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Post by baggins on Oct 20, 2021 12:56:18 GMT
Covid announcement, 5pm, can't wait.
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Post by oldie on Oct 20, 2021 13:44:34 GMT
Covid announcement, 5pm, can't wait. All men will have to wear jock straps. You heard it hear first |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2021 14:05:17 GMT
Doesn't help the South West that 43,000 people were told they had tested negative when in fact they were positive, so went about their daily lives unknowingly spreading it. I agree with you Bags but how is that the Governments fault ? baring in mind the "Technical issues" which gave incorrect results were at a "private" laboratory in Wolverhampton. handing out multi million pound contracts to companies ( most just set up ) in the private sector ( Tory mates ) could be the problem ? 🤔 www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/18/uk-lab-immensa-false-negative-covid-tests-not-fully-accredited |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2021 15:04:02 GMT
Just another question. What are the ICU bed occupancy rates across Europe. It's a genuine question as I cant find them. It was reported the UK rate is 17% I know France is 21% but not the others. It also shows there are currently more people in intensive care units with Covid in France and Germany than in Britain, although overall numbers in hospital are comparable in Britain and France at about 7,000. But while France's daily hospitalisation rate has plummeted in recent weeks to around 150 admissions, Britain's has not dipped below 500 since the summer, and has now risen to more than 900. Infection rates in France, Germany and the Netherlands have also increased in recent days. Britain removed Covid restrictions in July, ending social distancing and mask mandates -- although many transport operators still require them. Proof of vaccine for visiting crowded spaces such as restaurants, theatres and nightclubs is also not mandatory in England, and has only just been introduced in Wales and Scotland, which set their own health policy. |
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