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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 7:40:40 GMT
They have behind the scenes too. For ten days or so, I`d never seen such volumes outside of Christmas week. We brought in agency workers, and allowed overtime to anyone who wanted it, and just about coped. Now volumes are pretty much back to normal. I hope that anyone whose ceiling is beginning to bow under the weight of dried pasta, now feels foolish/shamefaced. Unfortunately I think the Supermarket (and the like) workers will be the unsung heroes in all of this. Absolutely, I wish there was more recognition for them because without the likes of the young girl last night, risking her health for a minimum wage organising the til queues, and the shelf stackers, we wouldn’t even be able to eat. From what I understand some of them have also had to put up with dog’s abuse from idiot customers too. I hope they get some form of direct acknowledgement when all this is over rather than being lumped in as “key workers”. EDIT: the back end supply chain workers too- the haulage drivers in particular must be working mad hours to keep food on the shelves. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 3, 2020 7:52:46 GMT
Didn't you start off by saying it wasn't due to government cuts and underfunding? A recent Kingsfund report stated: "Acceptances on to nursing courses first fell in 2011 following the decision to reduce the number of nursing places commissioned. This was designed to prevent an oversupply of nurses, but many now argue that this was the beginning of the nursing crisis currently facing the NHS. Then, in 2017, the government lifted the cap on the number of student nurses and replaced nursing bursaries with student loans, in the hope that universities would be able to provide an additional 10,000 student nursing places. However, this precipitated a second, more significant, decline in applications between 2017 and 2018, when the number of applicants fell by 24 per cent. The number of acceptances on to nursing courses remained steady (see Figure 1), as many of these courses were receiving more applications than available places before the changes to the bursary. In 2019, with the increase in applications, acceptances onto courses also rose, with nearly 1,500 more people accepted onto nursing courses." Your next point was that funding was cut as we employed cheaper nurses. If we employed cheaper nurses from overseas, why is there such a shortfall? Lastly, you say that money is there as evidenced by the vacancies, if the money is there (and contradicts your earlier point), why are we recruiting cheaper nurses? You are mis-understanding the term 'cheaper nurses'. It is cheaper in that you employ a ready-qualified nurse from somewhere else, instead of investing in producing your own. This has happened across all sectors, not just nursing. There is a world-wide shortage of nurses. I do understand, my point is that the root cause was the decision to cap numbers which lead to reduction in funding. That was a deliberate act by the government. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 3, 2020 7:55:07 GMT
Few people compare to the NHS staff, who knowingly put themselves in close proximity to those with the virus. It`s the "knowingly" that surely makes all the difference. I hope/trust that the driver whose trailer I`m unloading, hasn`t picked up the virus while dogging on the common in Stockport. Blimey, I thought Bolders was from Cockport not Stockport? My father in law is from Stockport, I now have some visions I really shouldn't have. 😶 |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 3, 2020 8:50:06 GMT
Didn't you start off by saying it wasn't due to government cuts and underfunding? A recent Kingsfund report stated: "Acceptances on to nursing courses first fell in 2011 following the decision to reduce the number of nursing places commissioned. This was designed to prevent an oversupply of nurses, but many now argue that this was the beginning of the nursing crisis currently facing the NHS. Then, in 2017, the government lifted the cap on the number of student nurses and replaced nursing bursaries with student loans, in the hope that universities would be able to provide an additional 10,000 student nursing places. However, this precipitated a second, more significant, decline in applications between 2017 and 2018, when the number of applicants fell by 24 per cent. The number of acceptances on to nursing courses remained steady (see Figure 1), as many of these courses were receiving more applications than available places before the changes to the bursary. In 2019, with the increase in applications, acceptances onto courses also rose, with nearly 1,500 more people accepted onto nursing courses." Your next point was that funding was cut as we employed cheaper nurses. If we employed cheaper nurses from overseas, why is there such a shortfall? Lastly, you say that money is there as evidenced by the vacancies, if the money is there (and contradicts your earlier point), why are we recruiting cheaper nurses? You are mis-understanding the term 'cheaper nurses'. It is cheaper in that you employ a ready-qualified nurse from somewhere else, instead of investing in producing your own. This has happened across all sectors, not just nursing. There is a world-wide shortage of nurses. There is a shortage of nurses because we cut the funding to train our own! |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 3, 2020 10:11:49 GMT
Blimey, I thought Bolders was from Cockport not Stockport? My father in law is from Stockport, I now have some visions I really shouldn't have. 😶 A mate of mine is too. That`s why Stockport just jumped into my head. He`s a Stockport County fan. As if things aren`t bad enough..... |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 3, 2020 10:22:26 GMT
My father in law is from Stockport, I now have some visions I really shouldn't have. 😶 A mate of mine is too. That`s why Stockport just jumped into my head. He`s a Stockport County fan. As if things aren`t bad enough..... Is that bitter w**ker Jim Gannon still gaffer there? |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 3, 2020 10:35:31 GMT
Unfortunately I think the Supermarket (and the like) workers will be the unsung heroes in all of this. EDIT: the back end supply chain workers too- the haulage drivers in particular must be working mad hours to keep food on the shelves. The government have relaxed the tachograph laws during this crisis, so drivers can keep the supply chains going. They are working longer hours. So, you`re right, a big debt is owed to them too. I think, by and large, everybody`s doing what they can. When you read some of the good things that people are doing, ( signing up in droves to help NHS staff, and ex NHS staff returning to the fold etc ) it makes me feel quite humble. I thought right from the start, that this crisis would bring out the best and worst in people, and I haven`t seen much to make me change my mind. Personally, I`d happily sit down for a drink with any of you, once this is all over. I might set about you with a pool cue, once the subject returned to Brexit, but there you go.... |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 3, 2020 10:37:44 GMT
A mate of mine is too. That`s why Stockport just jumped into my head. He`s a Stockport County fan. As if things aren`t bad enough..... Is that bitter w**ker Jim Gannon still gaffer there? Justifiably peeved, is how Hatters fans tend to see it. |
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Post by inee on Apr 3, 2020 11:44:31 GMT
EDIT: the back end supply chain workers too- the haulage drivers in particular must be working mad hours to keep food on the shelves. The government have relaxed the tachograph laws during this crisis, so drivers can keep the supply chains going. They are working longer hours. So, you`re right, a big debt is owed to them too. I think, by and large, everybody`s doing what they can. When you read some of the good things that people are doing, ( signing up in droves to help NHS staff, and ex NHS staff returning to the fold etc ) it makes me feel quite humble. I thought right from the start, that this crisis would bring out the best and worst in people, and I haven`t seen much to make me change my mind. Personally, I`d happily sit down for a drink with any of you, once this is all over. I might set about you with a pool cue, once the subject returned to Brexit, but there you go.... Sounds like a plan there fella, oh no need for the cue i don't and never will morris dance but cheres for the offer |
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Post by inee on Apr 3, 2020 11:46:41 GMT
You are mis-understanding the term 'cheaper nurses'. It is cheaper in that you employ a ready-qualified nurse from somewhere else, instead of investing in producing your own. This has happened across all sectors, not just nursing. There is a world-wide shortage of nurses. There is a shortage of nurses because we cut the funding to train our own! Indeed they are advertising a grant or bursary or whatever they call it these days for 5 Grand a year to train, lets be fair thats sh** as i remember it being at least 3 times that a few years back |
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Post by inee on Apr 3, 2020 11:50:26 GMT
Unfortunately I think the Supermarket (and the like) workers will be the unsung heroes in all of this. Absolutely, I wish there was more recognition for them because without the likes of the young girl last night, risking her health for a minimum wage organising the til queues, and the shelf stackers, we wouldn’t even be able to eat. From what I understand some of them have also had to put up with dog’s abuse from idiot customers too. I hope they get some form of direct acknowledgement when all this is over rather than being lumped in as “key workers”. EDIT: the back end supply chain workers too- the haulage drivers in particular must be working mad hours to keep food on the shelves. Said the same in an earlier post, local tesco no shields at check out, ,no ppe for staff, some staff are getting ready to crack,you can see it in their eyes. Also mentioned if you have a form of mental or physical illness that affects you or others in shops ,talk to a member of staff as they will help you
forgot to say read morrisons are increasing the staff bonus from 350 to a grand ,so it seems some employers are saying thanks to their workers
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 3, 2020 11:51:53 GMT
Friend of mine working on recruitment for the nightingale hospital. 20000 staff volunteers. Twenty Thousand. All skill levels from HCAs to Paramedics and Doctors. Amazing work.
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Post by inee on Apr 3, 2020 12:02:02 GMT
Morning everyone. So yesterdays loss was pretty much exactly the same as Wednesday. Have we peaked early? Too soon to hope we're getting hold of this? Just to give a slightly positive note, e-mail from Head Boy at Sainsburys, they're bringing in only one adult per household allowed entry, which seems fine, but as of Sunday they're dropping the limit of 3 items rule. So shelves are obviously staying full and the panic buying and hoarding seems to have calmed down. A friend who suffers social anxiety, went shopping with their partner a week or so back, not sainsburies, they were told only one person. Which led to friend having a major panic attack sat alone in the car. Took a good hour on the phone to calm them down. So yeah 1 per household good in theory but cam be very damaging to individuals in practice. Take my situation i can't go out alone, neither can wendy, so for people who need to go out as a pair can and soe will find it devastating if they shop at sainsburies, esaecially if they get that email as unfortunantely a lot of people only see things like this in black and white, there is no grayscale. so anything said is read literaly
The other good thing is shop employees will slowly recognise the horders and keep an eye on them
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Post by baggins on Apr 3, 2020 12:02:11 GMT
There is a shortage of nurses because we cut the funding to train our own! Indeed they are advertising a grant or bursary or whatever they call it these days for 5 Grand a year to train, lets be fair thats sh** as i remember it being at least 3 times that a few years back Aren't they the same ones that took the Bursary away in the first place? |
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Post by baggins on Apr 3, 2020 12:09:35 GMT
Friend of mine working on recruitment for the nightingale hospital. 20000 staff volunteers. Twenty Thousand. All skill levels from HCAs to Paramedics and Doctors. Amazing work. That really is incredible. OB, IF, todays death count stays pretty much the same as it did yesterday and Wednesday, that's a good sign right? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 3, 2020 12:16:38 GMT
There is a shortage of nurses because we cut the funding to train our own! Indeed they are advertising a grant or bursary or whatever they call it these days for 5 Grand a year to train, lets be fair thats sh** as i remember it being at least 3 times that a few years back It was nearly 7k a year in 2000 when I did my training. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 3, 2020 12:35:04 GMT
Friend of mine working on recruitment for the nightingale hospital. 20000 staff volunteers. Twenty Thousand. All skill levels from HCAs to Paramedics and Doctors. Amazing work. That really is incredible. OB, IF, todays death count stays pretty much the same as it did yesterday and Wednesday, that's a good sign right? Honestly mate, I wouldnt draw any conclusions from it until the infection rate drops first. Until then patterns in deaths are a bit volatile. First we need infection levels in admissions to plateau and then about a week after that the death rate should also plateau providing we are able to handle the volume of the eventual critical mass. If we cant, death rates may not correlate because we would be looking at not just the expected death rate as a conversion but also any others dead because of treatment failure like in Italy and Spain. If we can handle the volume at plateau, even if just for a couple of weeks, then deaths should slow and level out too. Following this a drop in new daily cases due to social distancing will reduce death rates too and we will have the situation at least partially under control. Then we wait for the government strategy on testing to come in to effect and relaxing distancing in a way that minimises harm and keeps healthcare capacity within normal levels. If treatment trials are successful I think we may see about 25,000 deaths over time in the UK. Remember this will still be going on long after the media attention moves away. If we cant treat it I think we will see many more over an extended period and winter will see a second spike but hopefully one that is less severe. TLDR - Focus on infection rates first because until they slow, death rates are not a good indicator of success in containment. When infection rates slow, death rates should follow shortly after. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 12:35:39 GMT
EDIT: the back end supply chain workers too- the haulage drivers in particular must be working mad hours to keep food on the shelves. The government have relaxed the tachograph laws during this crisis, so drivers can keep the supply chains going. They are working longer hours. So, you`re right, a big debt is owed to them too. I think, by and large, everybody`s doing what they can. When you read some of the good things that people are doing, ( signing up in droves to help NHS staff, and ex NHS staff returning to the fold etc ) it makes me feel quite humble. I thought right from the start, that this crisis would bring out the best and worst in people, and I haven`t seen much to make me change my mind. Personally, I`d happily sit down for a drink with any of you, once this is all over. I might set about you with a pool cue, once the subject returned to Brexit, but there you go.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by althepirate on Apr 3, 2020 13:02:06 GMT
Indeed they are advertising a grant or bursary or whatever they call it these days for 5 Grand a year to train, lets be fair thats sh** as i remember it being at least 3 times that a few years back It was nearly 7k a year in 2000 when I did my training. It's the same story for HCA's. Salary £4000 pm over a decade ago to £1000 now because the Tories buy cheap imports whether they are widgets or humans. However by being democratic and listening to the will of the people over Brexit they went against this attitude where, strangely their opponents did the opposite. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 3, 2020 13:27:10 GMT
It was nearly 7k a year in 2000 when I did my training. It's the same story for HCA's. Salary £4000 pm over a decade ago to £1000 now because the Tories buy cheap imports whether they are widgets or humans. However by being democratic and listening to the will of the people over Brexit they went against this attitude where, strangely their opponents did the opposite. Well done for unnecessarily shoe-horning Brexit in, for what it's worth the numbers of EU citizens was rarely 6% of the NHS and is going down. The number of non-EU workers has gone from 4% to 6% since 2012 and is increasing still. |
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